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1 Apologies for Absence
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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Ms. Sarah Naylor, Committee Services (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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Cllr Peter Carlill (Deputy Chair) Transport Committee
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Cllr Liz Rowe
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Cllr Scott Patient Calderdale Council
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Cllr Colin Hutchinson
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Cllr Alex Ross-Shaw (Bradford Council)
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Cllr Matthew Morley Wakefield Council
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Cllr Moses Crook Kirklees Council
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Cllr Caroline Firth
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Cllr Abdul Hannan
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Cllr Peter Kilbane (York Council)
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Cllr Oliver Edwards
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Cllr Matthew McLoughlin
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Mr Mick Bunting, Interim Director West Yorkshire Combined Authority
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Helen Ellerton, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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Simon Warburton, Executive Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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Ms. Sarah Naylor, Committee Services (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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2 Declarations of Disclosable Pecuniary Interests
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3 Exempt Information - Possible Exclusion of the Press and Public
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4 Minutes of the meeting of the Transport Committee held on 29 January 2024
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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Jocelyn Manners-Armstrong Independent Member
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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Jocelyn Manners-Armstrong Independent Member
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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5 Bus Service Improvement Plan (BSIP) Update
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Helen Ellerton, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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Mr Mick Bunting, Interim Director West Yorkshire Combined Authority
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Helen Ellerton, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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Cllr Oliver Edwards
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Mr Mick Bunting, Interim Director West Yorkshire Combined Authority
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Cllr Colin Hutchinson
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Mr Mick Bunting, Interim Director West Yorkshire Combined Authority
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Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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Cllr Colin Hutchinson
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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Cllr Peter Carlill (Deputy Chair) Transport Committee
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Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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Mr Mick Bunting, Interim Director West Yorkshire Combined Authority
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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6 Transport Policy Update
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Helen Ellerton, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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Cllr Colin Hutchinson
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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Simon Warburton, Executive Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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Cllr Jakob Williamson
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Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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Cllr Oliver Edwards
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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Cllr Matthew McLoughlin
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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Simon Warburton, Executive Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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Cllr Peter Kilbane (York Council)
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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Cllr Eric Firth (Kirklees Council)
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Simon Warburton, Executive Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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Cllr Eric Firth (Kirklees Council)
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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Cllr Oliver Edwards
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council)
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7 Project Approvals
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Kaysie McLean
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Jude Wright-Wolfe
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Kaysie McLean
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7 a) Leeds City Centre Package - Armley Gyratory
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7 b) TCF Leeds City Centre Cycle Connectivity
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8 Date of Next Meeting
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1 Apologies for Absence
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:00:01
welcome to this meeting of West Yorkshire Combined Authority Transport Committee, my name is Susan Hinchcliffe and leader of Bradford, but also have the honour of being Chair of this Committee in West Yorkshire, so we just go around the table, say who we are where we come from, I'll go to the politicians first on my rights I haveMs. Sarah Naylor, Committee Services (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:00:23
Oak Firth good news, and I'll also honour the deputy chair of Boots in correspondence.Cllr Peter Carlill (Deputy Chair) Transport Committee - 0:00:34
Councillor Peter Gallagher, Leeds and the other Deputy Chair of the Committee.Councillor Leese referenced Bradford
Cllr Liz Rowe - 0:00:38
Cllr Scott Patient Calderdale Council - 0:00:43
Scott patient Calderdale cabinet lead for climate action, active travel and housing.Colin Hutchinson also from Calderdale.
Cllr Colin Hutchinson - 0:00:49
Councillor R Shore, portfolio holder for regeneration, planning andCllr Alex Ross-Shaw (Bradford Council) - 0:00:53
transport, and Bradford Council.Cllr Matthew Morley Wakefield Council - 0:00:58
Matthew Molly Cabinet, Member Poleon Transportation and Highways Wakefield Council.Cllr Moses Crook Kirklees Council - 0:01:04
Moses Kirk, Cabinet Member for Highways, Transport and Housing Kirkley Council.Cllr Caroline Firth - 0:01:09
Caroline for Councillor in BradfordCllr Abdul Hannan - 0:01:11
Councillor Randall, Hannam from Leeds,Councillor Andrew Lloyd, Bradford Council.
Cllr Peter Kilbane (York Council) - 0:01:19
Councillor P Kilbane or Executive Member for Transport City of York CouncilCouncillor Mohammed Khan, Wakefield Council.
Councillor Jackie Williamson, the transport engagement lead from Wakefield Council.
Councillor Andy Maloney transport engagement lead at Leeds City Council.
Cllr Oliver Edwards - 0:01:40
Council, all of redwoods Leeds City Council.Cllr Matthew McLoughlin - 0:01:45
Councillor Matthew, McLoughlin transport engagement lead Coakley's.Mr Mick Bunting, Interim Director West Yorkshire Combined Authority - 0:01:50
Mick Bontin interim director of transport operations and passenger experience.hello Helen Ellison, head of transport policy.
Helen Ellerton, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:01:58
I don't have skin sentient director, passenger experience and assetsDave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:02:03
Combined Authority.Simon Watson, Executive Director for Transport.
Simon Warburton, Executive Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:02:10
we have a new Committee secretariat, person starting today are with usCllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:02:13
and welcome Adam Johnson's yourself, thank you, as I said, my name is adamant careers services less mature.so right.
also we do not.
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:02:28
I have Sarah Naomi from Committee Services Officer.Ms. Sarah Naylor, Committee Services (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:02:37
thank you, Pollard yourself and so apologies for absence.2 Declarations of Disclosable Pecuniary Interests
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:02:41
apologies for absence had been received from Councillors, Neil Buckley Mohsin Hussain Helen Hayden, and Peter Caffrey Loughlin, thank you very much any declarations or disclosable pecuniary interests coming on the agenda.3 Exempt Information - Possible Exclusion of the Press and Public
4 Minutes of the meeting of the Transport Committee held on 29 January 2024
no non declared, thank you very much. Exempt information and possible exclusion of press and public, we don't have any of that, but I do know minutes of the meeting of transport committee held on 29th January, those have been circulated as anybody got any comments or matters arising from those yes as Williamson,
it's just a question of my apologies for Saturday, my woman, but not on the minute.
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:03:19
can we make sure those are added to the Councillor Williamson, as apologies are added to the last of the minutes of the last meeting, yes or not, they're not noted, thank you very much, thank you, Councillor Wellington, Councillor Hanna.Jocelyn Manners-Armstrong Independent Member - 0:03:30
I also e-mailed my apologies for the last meeting, which should not be noted.Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:03:34
and Councillor Hanna Councillor Edwards.Jocelyn Manners-Armstrong Independent Member - 0:03:38
thank you Chair, just a note on page 4, the Chairman emphasised the importance of improving trade union relations and requested a response to the best of my knowledge, a response has not been received, could we chase set-up, please, thank you, thank you, Councillor Khan.James, here I was present at the last meeting, but I give my apologies.
5 Bus Service Improvement Plan (BSIP) Update
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:04:02
so we have a little bit of confusion about who is here and who wasn't here last meeting. We need to sort that for next time, but I'm sure Adam will be on the case now. He's arrived, you'll get us in good order and we'll be fine, so thank you very much, colleagues, for patients in that arena. Anything else, no, so with those amends, then are we happy to approve as a correct record as the all those in favour? Please show, as Karen. Thank you very much, so we've got two main items on the agenda and the project's approval. So starting at the bus service improvement plan update, obviously we've discussed this at some length before and sort ofconfigured our priorities around it, so that this is we need to do this again, though, and because there's some Morecambe moniker in government wants us to do this again, so we're doing it again, Helen Johnson present, this item.
Helen Ellerton, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:04:51
thank you, so, as Councillor Hinchcliffe says, we are round to the point again of needing to update the bus service improvement plan, so what the purpose of the rest of this report is to do is to set out the transport committee, how we approach, how we intend to do that and what our approaches so essentially this is summarising the fact that early in January and we received guidance from d f t around updating be CYPS for submission by the 12th of June.this year, so this is essentially set out in a way, so for us to kind of obtain the next round of police funding, we need to update our bus service improvement plan, have that go through the process and then received the funding alongside our enhanced partnership which is also currently,
being updated to allow us to deliver alongside the operators, so the paper sets out our proposed approach to do our revised bus service improvement plan, which is building on St essentially a set of existing set of five key areas the first one is around continuing to develop and enhance the bus network second wonders to build on the principles can have a clear and simple first structure.
the third one is around continuing to develop the tools that enable us to do kind of inclusive customer support, fourthly, around developing our pipeline and identifying funding for bus priority to enhance the infrastructure we're delivering through existing capital programmes across West Yorkshire and then lastly around continuing to green our bus fleet so increasing the number of 0 emission buses.
that are operating across West Yorkshire as and when we can, we can do so, so what we're really trying to say here is our new bus service improvement plan will build upon our customer centric approach that we've been taking taking to date and within that, enabling us an opportunity to celebrate our successes and,
some of those, particularly around the mayor's fares, were set out in our last Transport Committee, but also building on lessons learned about where we can improve things further and deliver them and deliver better overall for the customer, so that's the first part of the paper and the recommendation in the paper is to endorse that approach which I'll come back to in a moment.
also set out in this paper is around the passenger charter, so one of the key requirements for the bus service improvement plan is to have a passenger charter in place we already did through Bus 18 and the work we were doing on the Alliance, but this gave us an opportunity to really affirm that position.
so the paper is just setting out where we are up to on that passenger charter and how we development, so it's being done through a collaborative approach with operators about how we and the operators can get an agreed position on consistency of offer of a number of things that impact on the customer across the network, so this was informed by the Mayor's big bus checked and Conniff set out in a number of K P eyes in there and I don't know whether Mickey wants to just add to that are on the customer satisfaction.
Mr Mick Bunting, Interim Director West Yorkshire Combined Authority - 0:07:59
show, thank-you Owen for that, yeah, just to update on where we are at with the passenger chat, it was launched almost a year to the day ago, 10th of March.Will Lincoln into the public perception of a transport survey and that fieldwork has just been completed and that will inform some of our key eyes to measure the performance of those it set out in the charter and the updated chatter will be forthcoming in in in May this year, with a with a report to set out the performance of the current chart and how it's performed against those KPI so that work is in progress and being done, as as the public perceptions of transport survey report, the data of which has been analysed and will be published in May as well. So it's whole on LinkedIn so by May we should have a substantive update on on the republished chat of a 2024 and what the the first chatter in the first year of the challenge was told us and what we're gonna, do and informing at critical actions going forward.
thank you say, just in terms of the recommendations and the paper
Helen Ellerton, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:09:03
we're asking Transport Committee to endorse them, our approach to develop in the next bus service improvement plan and agreeing to the fact that we will bring kind of an update back to Transport Committee at the end of May.Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:09:17
are capable of, and thank you very much, and I think we have some and see the ascent shatter again, I think at some point as well, but we can discuss that during this item, so questions, comments and I see those indicating, please to ask questions make comments on this paper, Councillor Edwards, Councillor Hutchinson, first of all thank you.Cllr Oliver Edwards - 0:09:40
thank you very much Chair, and so I would like to thank officers for your work on this and to acknowledge and to acknowledge that I think there are a lot of good points in here, I think it would be helpful and to add some specific points so especially especially on a day when bus users UK have Rye released a report highlighting that West Yorkshire has the lowest passenger satisfaction numbers in the country at 73% and I think if you were to interview many bus users in outer wards, especially like mine, I think it would probably be lower than that's it truth be told, so I I think in terms of the process in terms of how complaints are handled, I would like to see more transparency around complaints numbers at the moment.if somebody complains to Arriva First or to transfer it goes into this kinds of black hole, almost people complain, it sent to a national centre. The responses when I've contacted, both as a private citizen and also as a as a councillor, have been inadequate in both cases. I know this is the case in many of my residents who've also contacted them, so if, if they're dealing with complaints nationally, how do we, as elected representatives, know what's going on, how do we get that picture? The bus companies have not been transparent about sharing that information, so that's that that's the first point
like the other points as well. I I think there needs to be something more specific around compensation, so they talk about free vouchers, while free travel vouchers are not much use for people who have bus passes, for example, older residents or residents who have bus passes for other reasons, so the offer of free vouchers is not for you, so I would like to see something more specific, if a so, for example, if it's an outer area especially or if it's an area with limited connections, if a bus does not show up and passengers need to make alternative arrangements, for example, if they need to take a taxi, I think the bus companies should pay for that and I are and again relating to experience, both for myself and also from residents when you ask for that. The bus companies refused to do that and I don't think that's good enough. They have a responsibility to provide that service and if they're not providing the service, I and many of my residents think they should pay for it, and I I think we do need something more specific around that and I would really like,
that to be pushed, so thank you for your work and can you push forward some of these ideas, please, thank you, Shah thank you, Councillor
Mr Mick Bunting, Interim Director West Yorkshire Combined Authority - 0:12:29
Les, which for those comments just with regards.to the to the first one on customer satisfaction, customer complaints W I was, I was quite heavily involved in the development of the first chatter, and not so much these days, but this was. This was a key challenge in terms of how we centralise and localise complaints, feedback and responses to those, and it was a. It was a key focus that we managed to achieve that him in and in the timeline of producing that the chattering in it for the last year. That was something that we knew was an area of development for the second part, the the the the second chart in 2024
absolutely understanding the need to be customer focused and that the approach to handling complaints needs to be needs to be local and, where possible, centralise, and that's a key focus of our going forward, and I've asked wow one of the team who was assessing the results and the performance measures of over the first chapter to look into that area specifically as a priority I know it's really a hot topic for passengers who find the complaints procedure confusing at times.
and and want to have that centralised approach, and that is something that we're committed to looking at and will be part of that review that will be put forward in in later on in the spring. With regards to the point you make about the vouchers absolutely a valid point and that there should be some kind of scheme available to passengers, albeit being let down in the way that you describe. I'm aware from being Chair of the West Yorkshire Post finds that this scheme is available with mass operators, but clearly from your feedback, passengers are not experiencing this upping. If we could, maybe if I could maybe offline get some of the Dodds experiences from you, Councillor, I can take that back into the bud or into the alliance and have those conversations with operators to ensure that those procedures that the are in place are properly adhered to and that passengers are being recompense if that's the right word in situations as as you've described, so thank you
set my e-mails, thank you, Councillor Harris's.
thank you Chair.
Cllr Colin Hutchinson - 0:14:38
obviously, one of the things we're wanting to achieve is an accessible, inclusive service for all members of the community regarding that.I am slightly alarmed to see the reference to the key KPI of the percentage of bus stops with up-to-date printed timetable or Q R code.
because that militates against people, those people who don't have smartphones with Q are breeders and not everybody does so, you know if that drives.
the system to actually preferentially use QR codes, rather than printed timetables, I think that would disadvantage a significant number of the travelling public, another aspect is the auditable announcements at bus bus stations.
often they're not, and it's not necessary result, the is not necessarily a matter of cranking up the volume, it's the actual clarity of the of the announcement that's important, particularly for people with visual impairment, but not just for the if those people are on other mortals as well.
and one final question.
how do you actually now measure 400 metres from a bus stop is that as the crow flies, or is that along the road, does it take into account things, the obstructions that might be in the way, such as dual carriageways or coming from a rather mountain as part of the region the gradient because you know when PR when planning applications go in the sustainability of the site is one of the issues that that we look at, but what can be defined as sustainable because of its within 400 metres takes now accounts for gradient like that which makes it not really sustainable.
Mr Mick Bunting, Interim Director West Yorkshire Combined Authority - 0:16:54
so I'll I'll say them all, I'll take you your first point there, Councillor, thank you for that, I think, on theon on the on the point that you mentioned at the bottom of page 15, it's the the the
the slash actually means both, it's not mean in an AMD, or so we had a real commitment as we came out of f COVID and the restrictions that we have in them and how arís the roadside displays changed during COVID to drive them.
roadside displays are back to full capacity to prerecorded levels and that included paper copies at bus stops and shelters for those hard to reach communities and and and people who are who are less able to use digital technology so that that is still our commitment to do that, so I think it's just to reassure you on that point Councillor, thank you.
Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:17:48
picking up on your second point, which is around the audible announcements of bus stations, it's fair to say we do not work in this area, I think that a new bus station in Halifax and with with Huddersfield and Dewsbury coming along as well, it's something we're ready for we're already tuned into it is not it's not just the announcements at bus stations, it's at wider just a wider communication with passengers and the means by which we do that that's really key, and we are looking at various means of bringing in like to have a lead station with the the sign language signs and various measures like that and we're looking at what is practical to introduce at various locationsso I think that first that's really really important and or even even goes as far as when we're in our trouble sense in bus stations, where we have some challenges in Leeds bus station vote at how the the new winter comes, our work and we're looking to find solutions so that to get better communication with the passengers face to face there as well for audibility purposes. So it's constant review, and I think if people start flagrantly any issues they have with us and where we are able to draw on trust, attention start looking at them in terms of the the 400 metres from a bus stop measure. I think that that's a good point you've brought up and as a as a transport planner, I recognise distances of 400 metres, 800 metres and 1,500 metres as the kind of distances we used in planning terms. It's recognised that it's an imperfect measure of how you have access to a bus stop, but I, I suspect when the the people who came up with East,
the measures about how heavily what access we should have. Bus stops should be. They they couldn't take into account topography, but they would have taken into account 400 metres, probably as it's probably really actually 600 metres or, and that's a reasonable distance for people to be from from the core road network. It would clearly be impractical to generate, but it could be done, obviously, but to generate a number for every single bus stop as to what a 400 water metre walk would be. It is the best proxy measure, basically that's
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:19:41
used industry-wide. It's not nice, not as the crow flies, but I think you know it is that it is a profile measuring courage. I should ask you to write something somebody at the top of the cliff, whereas yet again you know in three miles round there is there is that issue that comes into it, so there's some, I think, we're designing these things.Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:19:58
We probably need, when we are looking at the the data at our licensed data a lot of intelligence around. It is always as also requiredCllr Colin Hutchinson - 0:20:07
as I say to the, it is a measure that is used in deciding planning applications, and I don't know whether there's anything that can be done.at a regional level to reduce the surf.
to give some nuance to that, rather than it being a clear, yes or nanny.
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:20:29
an answer to be Councillor Canal before.thank you, I commit, I think there is a slightly different, because we
Cllr Peter Carlill (Deputy Chair) Transport Committee - 0:20:35
use that target for the bus service improvement plan of how of how many people are within 400 metres of a bus stop, which yet it is an imperfect measure, but I don't think we've found any more perfect it in terms of when it's being used for planning application, I think there is more detail that's done, but that does come down to the separate.districts planning policies around there, so I know certainly in Leeds it is looked at to see whether it is walking distance to a them or a bus stop, and that comes into the planning policy because I remember seeing it on sites in ours where there is half of the site will be a kilometre away if it's a big enough site and that is then looked at, but I think that's down more down to the separate Districts planning policies that are in there.
and how they are taken in.
yeah to come back in e, any of that through Councillor Hub's burning
Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:21:24
observation, that I think there are some valid points in there, and I think that we are looking at it. Maybe there may be some key core corridors that we want to look closely at and work out if through it, if there is really increment occurring from the topography, we mightCllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:21:38
want to look at whether we can monitor that a bit better, so any more questions on this item.not seeing any at the moment, so I think the only thing at parallax come back into the passenger charter certificate. Obviously, it's a year on as the collecting the information at the moment and our next meeting I believe, is made in at end of May. So is it possible to have a report on that agenda about the passenger Tata? Absolutely we will
Mr Mick Bunting, Interim Director West Yorkshire Combined Authority - 0:22:03
commit to that councillors will vote will have that for you, I think ICllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:22:07
think is important, with these things, to have a continuation as we go through the years of the data we collect, but there may be other data that would like to put on top of that, I think, is what I'm hearing from the committee, so let's consider that going forward, OK with that Councillor Cowelllovely lovely OK with that, then I am not doing anybody disagree with the be CYP recommendations which are in this paper, so can I propose those then as what we should accept householders invariably show.
6 Transport Policy Update
that is carried, thank you very much, so then moving onto the next paper, which is transport policy, update quite a lot to unpack in here, who's doing this Richard and Helen lovely, thank you.
Helen Ellerton, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:22:53
thank you Chair. Yes, as she said, Councillor Hinsliff, there's a number of items in here, we've collected up just to summarise, and we really just for the committee, just a note. They're updated positions. First of all, Strategic Transport Plan for Transport for the North, this is just already flagged to you that Transport for the North will now be adopting their strategy are hoping to adopt their strategic transport plan at their meeting next week with Partnership Board. We have fed back over the last year or so into their consultations around this. They then paused their route to adoption end of last year due to the wow, due to Network North being published and just reflected that back into the report. So now they're in a position to now propose a final report for adoption. So that's the first onesecondly, there's just a couple of areas here, for road rail knows that we just wanted to flag, and first of all, what we're just summarising here is the current kind of or a position, if you like, with where we are with Rail North in terms of the operational side and firstly just flagging really, that performance continues to be impacted by a number of staffing areas, particularly staffing shortages and kind of strikes, et cetera, so there's there's a number of things there that are impacting service delivery also to note around one cow few landslides across the area that which are also impacting across service delivery over and above what we can see on their around Baildon and then most most recently over the last week, Knottingley as well, so
we're also just Sheridan here that trans with TransPennine Express, and obviously we had conversations with the operators at the last meeting, but there is evidence that the temporary reduced timetable introduced in December is having a positive impact, albeit obviously there's a reduced service being offered offered there across the network.
also to note that the next national kind of rail timetable change or beyond the second 2nd of June, and we're expecting the changes there in this region to be minor, albeit there will be a few a few changes.
just kind of carrying on through really we're also seen that transparent, re route upgrade has gone to continue and to have kind of scheduled disruption if you like, across the network, so obviously that that is delivering, but there is disruption as a result of that next section, really around kind of rail infrastructure and kind of again, this is just really pointing to the TCU works around the upgrades and particularly focusing on the Leeds to Huddersfield section so it's just flagging really kind of the works that are happening but also kind of the impact on that on the passenger around the the the destruction disruption sorry in the area.
we then just wanted to give a quick update on a couple of the nail Network North projects, so moving down the report to onto page 22, we're just saying in here really that obviously Network North was announced and then from that kind of government have announced a number of so of high level projects in areas where that funding will be spent across across the piece so we just really wanted to flag in here that there's there's things kind of happening in the background around governance and delivery of some of those and we're working through with DF t and Network Rail on can of what that structure looks like.
particularly around the minds to decide the Midlands, Yorkshire and north-east study, and this is kind of kind of working with DFW Network, Rail and kind of continue through that process, continuing to make the case for a T-shaped station station in Leeds work has also started at looking at options for the new Bradford station on the Bradford's Southern Gateway and again again governance has been established to make sure that is all all joined up and some are numb across a number of areas in transport but also master planning and and and development.
and then also through network knows kind of funds are starting to be committed through that process, particularly around over the time kind of commitments around kind of further basic funding which we've already spoken about in the next round of see are SDF and a number of other areas such as maintenance as well, so kind of things as things are coming out through their own, we're trying to kind of keep on top of and work through, what that impact on us is and then moving on in the report around the major road network, and we reported to Transport Committee last year that Network North again was in a kind of made, an announcement to kind of include off and 460 million to do more on the major road network.
we're still waiting for guidance from D F T around this, but we're next, we're still waiting and expecting calibre pipeline to develop to be developed on this, and TfN are so Transport for the North, are in conversations with those in D F T around timings for that but also kind of expectations that we will include a list of schemes in their we're just waiting for a bit more structure around what that might look like.
and that's it, thank you.
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:27:59
Love Lizzo, as are quite a few things in there. I think, from my point of view of the things I Peter was at the sickness levels, says Northern in particular, and we've we've raised this before you know what kind of feedback we're getting from them about what they're doing about that one is it is it working and then secondly, of course, the landslip, the full closure of the ship, regards the language flooding, residents in Bradford districts and, of course I'm sure in Leedsdistricts are lots of issues at the moment, temporary arrangements I know are in place by I could do with understanding, really how that's working and whether we need to push for improvements in those services and outbuilding, for example, that you know that people can have rail replacement buses on there because they're using the car park to do the work, so it's all a bit fluid at the moment and that, and I do think we need to set out various issues, I wasn't aware of the Knottingley example, actually I would wait for your colleagues properly. I don't know if that's a landslip as well as it
because that's the this is climate change and this is land slipping onto railways and affecting our day-to-day lives, so if you want to give us an update on Nottingham.
Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:29:11
integration of Piff Nursery other pupils may know more than me that the tragedy lies not in the Council until next week, following a track safety inspection s obstructions expected to continue to the 19th of March, so it affects stops including Council trends with Wakefield Pontefract, Featherstone Streethouse I'm not sure if it is a landslip or whether it is a trap issue but we can we can find out I am I have regular meetings with Northern I'm picking up the points raised around Baildon as well with northern early next weekCllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:29:39
OK, so I have questions comments, Councillor Hutchinson, CouncillorCllr Colin Hutchinson - 0:29:45
Williams, thank you Chair, I am very pleased to hear that the Combined Authority has been pressing the case for the electrification of the Calder Valley, line to be included and Network North and I wish you every success in that it's also welcome news that there are additionalstops at stations along Calder Valley line proposed in the new timetable from 2nd of June was wondering whether you had any details with that or as to what those might be or when we might expect those details, the third thing was as I'm sure you're aware the Halifax Station Gateway project has been pipelines or paused does seem to offer an opportunity to for
the plans of that to be reviewed to be reviewed, and hopefully some of the issues that were less than satisfactory in the original proposals to be reopened and looked at again like the siting of the ticket office somewhere, there would be much more much better for people actually coming into the station and I just wondered whether there was any opportunity for doing that while we're waiting for funding to become available in the fullness of time.
so, just to say, those questions before move uncertain as Williamson.
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:31:13
Simon Warburton, Executive Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:31:23
so wow I will also issue away around Halifax Halifax station, I don't think it is something that we have.head on the senior register with with Network Rail, but we can, we can certainly certainly pick pick that up.
thank you for your support on Calder Valley, we're bringing forward the final rail strategy document to.
the Combined Authority tomorrow or and it is very, very timely as the report sets out here there is an awful lot of work taking place in the background at the moment to pick up from Network North and fully establish what a or a Northern Rail programme looks like in that regard I think the the relationship between the commitment that has been made around Bradford station and the potential to use that as a catalyst for Coulter valleys is something which is is gaining traction really quite quickly now.
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:32:30
year, the benefits Calderdale are clear with that pencil sign yeah, and that's good.Councillor Williamson, thank you Chair first, thanks for the equipment Owen, find more about what's happening on the Nottingham line, but
on paragraph 2.9 of the update mentioned was the
Leeds to Doncaster line using three carriages instead of far, and I
Cllr Jakob Williamson - 0:32:58
suppose question from his why we've why they're sticking with three carriages, because it is quite a busy line there's times where people are crammed on like sardines, there's been questions of people whether they cannot during peak times specifically whether everybody at the stopcock station can get on the train or not.and he sort of feeds into other issues that have been having with other operators about what are the signs of trends we get in a lot of busy periods, and then we get one like more carriages during quieter periods and things like that, so I'm just wondering if maybe we'll get,
an inflammation or close to the percentages from Marsden for that point specifically, please.
Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:33:45
hi yeah, it's really really good points that you've raised her.before before they brought in these measures about changing the lengths of trains on some of these lines we did express our concern, this Combined Authority that the the the issues that this could lead to we were given assurances from Northern that I'll in some cases where they're reducing the length of the train they run trains a day they said we're not subject to overcrowding and recently we won't see some evidence to support that.
similar things happen on the Ilkley to Bradford line, I think where don't produce do so before the landslip reduced from four to three carriages, and there's some overspill on that now winter the guys lie to ordeal Cleator, Leech trains and some some peak services are being reduced in length, so it is something we are picking up with Norton now and you're absolutely right we're gonna get some performance information and a load of information to support to support that and push back strongly.
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:34:35
so when we've had this conversation with CPA, when offset, at an average rate of we, we've had some data back from TP to show what periods a day, what days of the week there's overcrowded, we need the same thing from Northern rarely for the whole of West Yorkshire just to see where the stresses are, and I think you just go back to the Baildon local thing if we can have something from Northern in terms of passenger feedback as well. What they're getting about the the workarounds are in place at the moment. What needs improving because then obviously we'll push us as Councillors to try and get anything improved to help those people who catch can't get around at the moment, so I'd be very interested to know what Northern are saying about passenger experience at the moment they're getting through Councillor Edwards,thank you very much sharing. I would very much interest that this has
Cllr Oliver Edwards - 0:35:25
had an impact on my residents in Guiseley immensely in the swirling night. I think we really need that information from Northern, so we need that information about the passenger experience in terms of replacement bus services. But I wanted to come back to something he said so it's over belt 0 about what Northern had sets around services not subject to overcrowding. I would very much agree with Jacob points and I think what what you are saying about the Doncaster services which affects some parts of Leeds as well. It's equally truefor the Guiseley line. I know it's true for trains coming from a new Pudsey and then coming from the south-west into Leeds. I think there is a real problem here in terms of there not being enough carriages, very often in terms of overcrowding, and I simply don't think it's good enough for Northern to come up with this response because that's not the experience of the travelling public, it's not my experience, it's not the experience of my residents in them and people travelling from across Leeds and West Yorkshire, so I think we really need clarity from northern urgently on that, and I don't think their responses have been good enough to date.
and in other parts of that as well. The report talks elsewhere about sickness elements and I think we really need to know more about the I. I've asked previously about trade union relations, the relationship with the trade unions, and I do think it's connected the the kind of relationship that the employer and the employees have is connected to sickness levels, and I think we need to have more clarity from them around that. I think we need to know what they're doing around sickness. We need to know what conversations there are with the employee representatives with with the trade unions, because this is having an effect on staff. It's having an effect on passengers
whether it's services which are cancelled or even if it services which delayed because existing staffing levels are overstretched, so there are quite a number of questions that we need much more information from northern on, thank you.
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:37:48
so good summer therein is there anything else you want to add theDave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:37:50
nothing else tonnage, I'll say I'll be picked it up for me to more than one of these apps on all these key boys who raced here.Councillor McLoughlin.
Cllr Matthew McLoughlin - 0:37:58
thank you, Chair yeah, I'd just like to to bring up once again and say thank you for including the Penistone Line in the document that it will be. The combined authority will continue to make the case for additional funding to enable an uplift in frequency. I'm glad to see that the combined authority will not stop going on about the peninsula because I know that those in Kirklees were not going to stop either, and just building on the point that Councillor Edwards just made about sickness, it really is an important issue and we saw last year that what made the difference with transparent and expresses reliability was the return of rest day work in a overtime, and we could. It would be very useful to have an update on what the train companies are doing to reduce the reliance on overtime, because that is obviously going to be having an impact on the wellbeing of their staff.Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:38:46
so the answer is so I am conscious that we are due the rail operatorSimon Warburton, Executive Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:38:55
SQL, coming back into the meeting of the Committee, I think I think what we will do is there are a series of very useful questions here.and we have time in advance of the next meeting.
to give them due notice that there are a series of points that you would like to see set out very, very clearly in in the meeting, so we'll make sure they are lined up to properly answer those questions
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:39:18
that NEF and Rail North can it say these questions have been asked to dress in sickness and have got a new sickness strategy in place of Northern but I'm not sure we've seen the in pathway I have with certainly not from what people are saying all the time.any more commented Councillor Kilbane, sorry, thank thank you, Chair,
Cllr Peter Kilbane (York Council) - 0:39:35
just to echo what you were saying about climate change, you know, we've recently been dealing with flooding on New York Harrogate Leeds line, as climate change is here now, and we're dealing with it now, Network Rail are having to to put plans in place to to keep that line open, so it's a very, very real challenge. As electrification has been mentioned, it would be remiss of me not to say we never get the opportunity when we're electrifying Leeds to Hull, can we make sure the Sherburn-in-Elmet loop isn't missed out, because then we can electrify Hall to Yorkat the same time, I welcome the signs of improvement that were seen from for from trans Pennine, we were told that some services would be reinstated if things were going well, so it would be good to push to see what those services are in particular we're concerned about lack of capacity York to Scarborough in the summer.
holiday weeks, I know there is talk of introducing more services some weekend well, though the kids are also on holiday during the week or during the summer, so we'd be interested to see if there's anything happening there and also in terms of the minus work it would be interesting to know what engagement we've had with York North Yorkshire Combined Authority on that because obviously there'll be a key player in that and work to thanks.
I'm a bit obsessed with this now, I'm afraid, says, HES Network Rail about this climate change through the day on railways and in the last
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:40:55
12 months there's been 31 landslips across the north of England and 10 of these located in West Yorkshire, so it is absolutely impacting on everybody's day-to-day life and it says that's yeah inundation of the railway, like you were saying down on the lioness pathfindergardens and bill and patios going onto railway lines, extreme rainfall resulting in high groundwater levels, so coming up as well, so it's very serious really for our transport, Councillor Firth, just another
Cllr Eric Firth (Kirklees Council) - 0:41:29
report, I think I mentioned it to you earlier in the week but,it is climate change without doubt some of the our infrastructure, our rail infrastructure, is really about 150 275 years never had anything like this, so undoubtedly it's just the volume of water comes down, the saturation and this, but that is obviously causing this.
another point can I raise a very point where 2 1 to finally produce what we all want improved services.
and most of them contemplate.
and unless we resolve the situation about the new tube station.
worrying.
bother.
I will put it just like Simon, can you can you explain where that's going, I know it says in the report is hit the d f t?
but the land if it was released in, if it is released this summer, I will look the Crick.
yes, it was just a couple of points that the relates to the Midlands,
Simon Warburton, Executive Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:42:33
Yorkshire and north-east.and study, so this is the
the final iteration of the study that was long promised to the transport select committee announced in July, then paused while Network North was published.
and is now finally?
starting from a North Yorkshire perspective, I or I will check as there's a storyboard that's just been found, which I am joining, but I am anticipating that there will be a North Yorkshire representative there.
we've been very clear with government they the Mayor and the Leader of Leeds City Council,
wrote publicly to the prime minister last week with, and that letter was carried.
in the Yorkshire Post as well, and we have followed up with officially correspondence from the Chief Executive, this organisation and the the the City Council are at at official level to make it very clear that we do not see that the evidence has been put forward to suggest that the risks of removing the dealt the land holdings have been addressed and that therefore is an absolute minimum.
the land needs to be retained or safeguarded, whilst that study completes its work, and it should be the findings of that study that then inform what safeguarded land is required and, going forward, we we are very clear that we cannot see a scenario where a long term growth model for Leeds station,
and we're talking about a station that needs to be able to satisfy growth right through the remainder of this century.
that
we cannot see the long-term growth scenario can be satisfied without building a southern facing extension a T T shaped element.
to lead station, I think we recognise that that is not necessarily gonna be of a high-speed nature any more, but nonetheless southern facing platforms are still needed if we are going to fail to accommodate both a step change in east-west movements through the the the Leeds hub and also movements from the south, all of which, at the moment, have to squeeze themselves into the western approach too to too late station.
my understanding is that decisions could could happen very quickly now
in government we were not directly sighted on those, and that's the reason why we're maintaining this good campaign correspondence to highlight just just how critical it wants that land goes and is developed, there will be no other way of us being able to facilitate the surface.
additional rail link through from the south to until late session, and
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:45:52
it's crucial Hull region is not really answer Councillor ICCobviously we there's no point in having new stations in West Yorkshire if we have got late session sorted out, so there's nowhere to go, so
Cllr Eric Firth (Kirklees Council) - 0:46:07
it is vital that that is organised, I just splash that the what you just mentioned that the impact on all of us,all districts in West Yorkshire will be using grey and the impact of not having this 2 extension on our economies in West Yorkshire going forward for generations will be dying, so I think we've got the full support to UCL of this committee making those elections to Deputy
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:46:34
absolutely LaFleur so any more on this item before Councillor Edwards brief.thank you, yeah. Can I just absolutely emphasise the importance of
Cllr Oliver Edwards - 0:46:44
this. I know that I know that you're working hard on this. I think it's really important after the governments after the government, let down the north of England's with their announcements on HS2, and can I also say there is a responsibility for all of us on this committee and I'm looking particularly at the conservative end, so I see we only have one representative today and I don't want to pick on my Wharfedale neighbour too much, but you have a responsibility as one to make this message at me to bring this message home to your ministerial colleagues answer and onto others, and because I think very often we hear silence from this ends and is absolutely critical that this land is not lost, because when it's lost we won't get it back, and so there is some responsibility here, so can I urge the Conservative Group, only one of whom is here today,to make sure that they push these points with their MPs with their ministers, whatever whenever the election happens hopefully sooner rather than later, and but decisions could be taken very soon, and so this does this does need to be.
this this does need to be safeguards it after the destruction we've seen already.
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:48:02
thank you, I mean Councillor Les, thank you very much for attending today of Sir, his Conservative representative said it was put you on the spot if you did want to say you are very welcome to do so but are absolutely understanding your hair represent the Conservatives today and is there anything else anybody wants to say No OK, well, so there's quite a lot there. Some perhaps also visit a huge range of issues and I think you've heard loud and clear that the Leeds T-shirt station is something all of us in West Yorkshire needs to be progressed at pace because it inhibits all our progress on all our individual schemes as well.and then obviously there's some local issues there for or in terms of flooding, et cetera, that we need to sort out, so I'm going to if that's OK, there's a for noting we'll have for the rail operators here next time then do we think,
I'm not sure it's next time all the time after issues every six months, I'll check back and date from paper.
Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:48:58
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:49:00
and also we'll look forward to catching up with them, then.7 Leeds City Centre Package - Armley Gyratory
so moving on to project approvals, then there's two projects approvals on the list Armley Gyratory, and I think that's a cycling one in there as well, and who's presenting on these and I've got officers efficiently there, judge, introduce ourselves who you are where you come from, thank you.
Kaysie McLean - 0:49:27
hi, Keith MacLean programme manager within the transport partnerships team at the CIA.Jude Wright-Wolfe - 0:49:40
I advocate umbrella programme manager on TCF, so I've got Leeds item, sorry, I'm not, and he's not with us directors.Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:49:49
is fine as long as you know about roads and railways, you're very welcome at this table.so first of all please
Kaysie McLean - 0:49:57
thank you them, I'm here seeking a decision on the Armley Gyratory scheme, which is funded through West Yorkshire Plus Transport Fund the scheme at Sale Thursday, are delivered in two phases phase 1, which would improve the efficiency of the highway as no complete phase 2 will deliver the active travel elements of the scheme and there is no seeking full business case approval.phase 2 as further broken down into a phase 2 E, and to be fees to E as the replacement of the existing foot bridges over the East Sussex for three Guildford Road and Spains Lane with new foot cycle bridges and is expected to be completed, enjoy 24,
fees to be as the replacement of the existing footbridge over the E 50 with a new a 3 metre wide footbridge Wellington, Road.
and is expected to be complete in December 24 engagement with key stakeholders goes as far back as 2008 with a fresh round of public consultation on options carried out in 2018, the further round of preliminary designs held in 2019 and since submission of the Phase 1 FBC and 21 the scheme has continued to console and engage with key stakeholders to develop fees to include the disability and will be Network, the New Wortley Residents' Association Group and active travelling and the delivery of Phase 2 will improve the overall accessibility and safety for all users crossing the Jody through by foot or bike.
the removal of the current stepped access to the bridge inclusion of shallower ramp ingredients and raced in areas will ensure that all users, including disabled users, pregnant women, pram users and older people, will benefit from ischaemic for bedrock. Please, the scheme will also encouraged short trips through me by foot or bake instead of the car. The benefit Cost ratio for the full scheme is 3.5 7 1 versus categorised as high value for money, total value cost for the scheme as a 41.970 million and the decision we are seeking is for approval for phase 2 to proceeds through decision Point for full business case.
what communities on October 35 delivered, the funding recommendation sought is Tait Moeen 460,000, thank you, thank you very much and Mrs.
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:52:32
Scheme that's obviously already been Sahara, and it's already in train, isn't it, so this is an additional element of it any questions comments on this.I think we're all familiar with this.
well, if there's no questions, I'm happy to recommend approval on that, can I see all those in favour, please show.
thank you very much that is carried.
7 a) Leeds City Centre Package - Armley Gyratory
the next item on the agenda, then, is the other scheme.
Jude Wright-Wolfe - 0:53:03
OK, thank you, so this is a fairly straightforward change request, it's for a scheme that's led by Leeds City Council, Essex, the Leeds City Centre cycle, connectivity scheme, which isfunded through transforming cities fund
7 b) TCF Leeds City Centre Cycle Connectivity
so it already has an approval from November 2022 for just over 7 million of TCF funding, and it's delivering new segregated cycle lanes and crossings, so joining up and extending the existing cycle network in the city.
this for packages in the scheme, and these are on track to complete by the end of March 2024, so that is in line with the original approval, so the reason for this change request is that Leeds have secured an additional million pounds of funding from National Highways and that funding has been spent on the Dewsbury Road connected package of the scheme.
so this essentially has freed up a million of TCF funding, so the proposal is to use that freed up 1 million to further extend the Dewsbury Road connector scheme in order to deliver more benefits for the scheme.
so today, then, the decision that we're bringing today is to approve the extension of the delivery timeframe from March 2024 and to March 2025, to allow that additional work to be done and to approve the re-profiling of the million TCF funding to enable the delivery of the additional scope at the Dewsbury Road.
thank you very much and I wish him a hug could see us actually,
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Bradford Council) - 0:54:35
because obviously we are very efficient at we are making money go very, very long way, so just for a million pounds going to be to extend this scheme just by extending it a year so and are given are very keen for us to be efficient full-time we are incredibly efficient to local government and I think this just demonstrates how efficient we are, so it is there any questions comments on this.it sounds eminently sensible to me, so I'm happy to recommend it as others in payment blucher.
8 Date of Next Meeting
thank you very much, that is carried looks like, and I believe that brings us to the end of this section of the meeting, because, colleagues, if you can stay behind, not because you'd be naughty, but because we've got a workshop on two other elements of transport in preparation for future meetings that'd be great otherwise thank you very much for your attendance, I will say and I have a great weekend when it gets here, thank you.
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Interim Director, Transport Operations & Passenger Experience
Executive Director of Transport
West Yorkshire Combined Authority
City of York Council
Leeds City Council
Leeds City Council
Calderdale Council
Kirklees Council
Bradford Council
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Wakefield Council