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Myles Larrington, Committee Services Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Cllr Jane Dowson (Leeds City Council)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)

1 Apologies for absence

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2 Declaration of Disclosable Pecuniary Interests

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Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)

3 Exempt Information - Possible Exclusion of the Press and Public

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4 Minutes of the Meeting held on 11 July 2023

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Item 4 - CEEC 11 July 2023 - Minutes

5 Chair's Update

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Liz Hunter
Paul Duncan
Oliver Harmer
Cllr Scott Patient Calderdale Council
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative)
Adam Ashman, Advisory Representative (Yorkshire Water)
Tamsin Constable
Stacey White, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Nadia McPhereson
Ariba Rashid, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Sara Brook
Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership)
Mr Neil Whalley, Advisory Representative (Northern Gas Networks)
John Clark (Private Sector Representative)
Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council)
David Owumi (Private Sector Representative)
Cllr Jenny Kent
Cllr Jack Hemingway (Wakefield Council)
Myles Larrington, Committee Services Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)

6 Committee Governance

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Item 6 - Governance

Liz Hunter
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Liz Hunter
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council)
Liz Hunter
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid)
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Cllr Jack Hemingway (Wakefield Council)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)

7 Monitoring Indicators

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Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid)
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative)
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid)
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative)
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Cllr Jenny Kent
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Adam Ashman, Advisory Representative (Yorkshire Water)
Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
David Owumi (Private Sector Representative)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Liz Hunter
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)

8 Natural England's Work in the Region

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Item 8 - LNRS Natural England

Liz Hunter
Paul Duncan
Oliver Harmer
Paul Duncan
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Cllr Scott Patient Calderdale Council
Cllr Scott Patient Calderdale Council
Paul Duncan
Cllr Scott Patient Calderdale Council
Paul Duncan
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Cllr Jack Hemingway (Wakefield Council)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Paul Duncan
Liz Hunter
Tamsin Constable
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Paul Duncan
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Stacey White, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)

9 Better Homes Hub

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Item 9 - Better Homes Hub

10 Mass Transit Sustainability Strategy

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Stacey White, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Cllr Jack Hemingway (Wakefield Council)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Liz Hunter
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Adam Ashman, Advisory Representative (Yorkshire Water)
Stacey White, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)

9 Better Homes Hub

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Item 9 - Better Homes Hub

Nadia McPhereson
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid)
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative)
Nadia McPhereson
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid)
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative)
Nadia McPhereson
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership)
Nadia McPhereson
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Cllr Sarah Ferribly (Bradford Council)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid)
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Cllr Jenny Kent
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Adam Ashman, Advisory Representative (Yorkshire Water)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Nadia McPhereson
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Mr James Nutter

10 Mass Transit Sustainability Strategy

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11 Electric Vehicle Infrastructure Strategy

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Item 11 - Electric Vehicle Infrastructure

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Cllr Jenny Kent
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Mr James Nutter
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Mr James Nutter

12 Air Quality

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Item 12 - Air Quality

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Mr Neil Whalley, Advisory Representative (Northern Gas Networks)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Mr James Nutter
Liz Hunter
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Cllr Jenny Kent
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Cllr Scott Patient Calderdale Council
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Cllr Jack Hemingway (Wakefield Council)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Mr James Nutter
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
David Owumi (Private Sector Representative)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Mr James Nutter
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)

13 Project Approvals

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Item 13 - Project Approvals

Ariba Rashid, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Alison Gillespie, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid)
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)

14 Pledge Delivery Update

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Liz Hunter
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid)
Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid)
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid)
Liz Hunter
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
Cllr Jenny Kent
Cllr Jenny Kent
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council)
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apologies for absence had been received from Jenny Cook, Councillor

Myles Larrington, Governance Services Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:00:47

Andrew Cooper, Greg Dodd, Richard Goodfellow Ian Holmes and Lewis Stewart.

Cllr Jane Dowson (Leeds City Council) - 0:01:01

thank you, and I thank you Miles, and I have realised that I should have pressed my button earlier, I beg your pardon.

1 Apologies for absence

does that mean Miles in this, can you advise us to as to whether we're core it for decision-making purposes for this meeting we are fantastic

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:01:21

OK, we move on to Item 2, then declaration of disclosable pecuniary interests is there any member of the committee who has any particular interest pecuniary financial interests in any item on this agenda?

2 Declaration of Disclosable Pecuniary Interests

not seeing them to indicating, so we'll move on, thank you.

exempt information item 3 on the agenda we have this in case there are any contractual or employee issues that need to be discussed, and I don't think there are on this item, so there's no applicable items, so the whole of the meeting is open to the public.

and if I could excuse me, move on then to the minutes of the meeting that we held back on the 11th of July.

any comments or corrections to those minutes, or are people content to accept them as a correct record.

they are quite lengthy minutes, actually we obviously had a lot of discussion and thank you marks for keeping on top of what was really key impolitic discussion, any comments or changes corrections.

I had one on page 12, there was a reference to the work of Dr Alan Palmer.

I just wanted to check whether or not it was Alan Palmer and not Andy Palmer.

as I couldn't find the Alan Palmer.

however, he mentioned, neither can I.

obviously, Andy Palmer, is the chairman of put point, but the that's why I just wanted to check who, as it was always related to.

thank you very well spotted, thank you, and well let me amend my

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:03:16

recommendation to the meeting, are people content with that correction if it is required to accept the minutes as a correct record of the previous meeting yeah I'm seeing agreement.

thank you very much.

no.

3 Exempt Information - Possible Exclusion of the Press and Public

4 Minutes of the Meeting held on 11 July 2023

5 Chair's Update

I was going to say I wanted to welcome Jenny Cook from the Environment Agency as it would be her first meeting, but I think she's actually one of the people who has given apologies and welcome to Adam Ashman from Yorkshire Water, I think our eyes met across a crowded screen in the past shall we go round the table folks and just make sure,

particularly for the benefit of the minutes and the correct record and to make sure that everybody does know if you're sitting around the table, I'm Councillor, Jane Skelhorne, I'm the chair of this committee and am also the leader of Calderdale council, and I just want you to say that the events that we just had in Calderdale, where we had yet another near miss in terms of flooding make me want to use the term we often use in culture, which is we live. Climate emergency and cold to deal is not an abstract concept, as is something very, very real and pleased to say that it was a near miss

many of the hard defences watch as this should do, and indeed some of the

natural flood management, things that we have done worked extremely well as well, but nonetheless we suffered him in some, particularly in the east east of the borough, so my introduction is I'm Jane Scahill, and we live climate emergencies, so Liz

thank you, Simon listened to the director of policing and environment in place at the Combined Authority, and again just for new Members,

Liz Hunter - 0:05:13

the reason that we use the the speakers is perhaps partly about people being able to hear you, but also because that's the moment where the live-streaming can locate where you are and who you are so that's partly why we use it so just for everyone's benefit when we go around the table that's the importance of using it, otherwise you're talking in somebody else's picture, thank you.

hello, I'm Oliver Hammad, chief operating officer and natural luminance often we're gonna talk our interest a second following

Paul Duncan - 0:05:40

Councillor Scullion's introduction, I used to be two years ago the director for Yorkshire at the Environment Agency and I'm something

Oliver Harmer - 0:05:47

that I've seen my fair share of really distressing floods as well and,

I think we will continue to live the climate emergency

yeah hi, I'm Paul Duncan, I'm natural England's direct deputy director with responsibility for the auction and Northern Lincolnshire team.

Councillor Sarah therapy from Bradford Council.

Cllr Scott Patient - 0:06:09

when it comes to.

sorry, Councillor Jenny Kent from your council.

hello, Jim Caldwell, Northern Powergrid and.

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:06:19

I guess also, were our customers were badly affected by the floods.

Over the last couple of days, so we had 55,000 customers who had a power cut, thankfully we got everyone who could get back on bikes back by Saturday night and of course we have some people who still out of their homes, which is unfortunate for them to say the least.

hi everyone, my name is Adam Ashman, or work for Yorkshire Water

Adam Ashman - 0:06:47

again, so follow the same busy weekend dealing with the rain.

High Tamsin Constable Policy Officer, West Yorkshire, Combined Authority.

Tamsin Constable - 0:07:00

Stacey White, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:07:03

everybody's Stacey White Interim Head of place and consensus in the mass transit team West such comma any authority.

hi everyone Nad-e Macpherson programme, lady at West Yorkshire

Nadia McPhereson - 0:07:12

Combined Authority.

I am Aruba issued on project manager in the current authority.

Ariba Rashid - 0:07:18

hello, my name, is Sarah Brook and programme manager for retrofit

Sara Brook - 0:07:24

including es HDN hom, giving him a policy obstruct them on authority.

Peter Glover - 0:07:32

although it won't be the global patent research team with a combined authority.

Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership) - 0:07:39

hello, I'm Martin, British or here on behalf of the West, Yorkshire Housing Partnership I'm employed by connect housing, which is a locally based charitable housing association.

Mr Neil Whalley, Advisory Representative (Northern Gas Networks) - 0:07:51

hello, I met Neil Ward head of environment and sustainability in Northern Gas Networks.

I am John Clarke, I am a private sector representative and I worked

John Clark (Private Sector Representative) - 0:07:58

for Cummings.

hi everybody and Katy Dyke, Councillor for Leeds.

Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 0:08:05

David Owumi (Private Sector Representative) - 0:08:08

either 1 am David only from King and I'm a public private sector representative, thank you.

Cllr Jenny Kent - 0:08:17

however, everyone Scott patient from Calderdale Council, everyone, Jacqueline Reid, actually representing Wakefield Council.

Cllr Jack Hemingway (Wakefield Council) - 0:08:24

Myles Larrington, Governance Services Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:08:27

Miles Acton Governance, Services Officer, West Yorkshire, Combined Authority.

Alison Gillespie Head of place and environment policy at the West Yorkshire Combined Authority.

thank you all.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:08:41

all of them still own just a bit of feedback.

let me just say a little bit no about progress.

since the last meeting, by the way of a Cheryl's update, and there has been significant progress, and I hope everybody actually managed to have a break over the summer, including all the Combined Authority staff.

but those of you who are new to the Combined Authority would perhaps not be as familiar as the rest of its in terms of the development of schemes are funded through the collective of the Combined Authority, and part of that is making sure that we have evidence-based decision making and that we have good assurance in terms of our spend so that we can actually defend our spend with the Treasury and with the government so sometimes the progress in terms of some of these schemes might seem a little slow.

books I said as a bit of a Theresa May moment, isn't it?

don't worry about it, as I think I think I know who I am, and I don't necessarily need the reminder, so a lot of work is done by the Combined Authority in terms of developing the business cases and taking them through each of the stages of the combined authority, courtesy and assurance decision-making process, so work has been done on the business cases for low interest loans for retrofit activity, and you'll see a reference to that littering in the papers soar on schools and community buildings area based demonstrator retrofit schemes and again you will see that in the papers later local area energy planning which I keep wanting to Cold Leap but the initials are in the wrong wrong way round.

and working with the West Yorkshire Housing Partnership to deliver solar PV and battery storage on social housing, and there's more detail, as I said, the later later papers and indeed on the update on the pledged delivery.

scheme.

you'll also have had, and maybe not some of the new members, I'm not sure less.

we've had a, we had a decision at the last meeting to try and see what our schools, where we did a bit of a skills audit in terms of our members in terms, particularly for the new chair, in terms of understanding what we needed to upskill our own understanding of carbon reduction, carbon literacy, a number of other things we've currently had, I think, eight responses from the voting members of the committee.

and I think that's extremely helpful if there's any last minute things, please do fill it in on the officers are working on any training needs because there are some people round this table with enormous depth in one particular area of the work of this committee and there are others I would include myself in that who perhaps have a slightly shallower knowledge of some of the areas so understanding what is we need in terms of training and making sure that we actually have that upskill as is really important, I don't think I'm wanting to say by way of

introduction and update is what I would put under the heading of climate chat, because we are looking at what I say we, the Mayor, and the five authorities, are looking to launch a public conversation soon about our activities around climate.

and the way in which we're going to tackle tackle this emergency, and so you, some of you, will know about the big bus chat.

that the Mayor did recently, which was actually very successful, and those of you travel, regular buses, will have seen it everywhere are the posters, but looking at that general chat, general communications with the public of the five West Yorkshire districts, but also to include some more in-depth work and over a reasonable amount of time to have a bit of an attitudes and perceptions survey which I think would be interesting.

6 Committee Governance

specific engagement for young people, and we we think that is obviously crucial, I'm thinking about different ways and effective ways of doing that.

just some community conversations.

and are thinking about particular groups and areas where we might have those conversations.

and also making sure that each of the five council districts that we make sure that we've got strong links to local authority, climate and environment emergency webpages that are trying to integrate it with what is already happening, as each of the Councils already do a great deal of this and also we think that would be helpful in terms of signposting.

the combined authorities work to the districts and vice versa, so I think it will be generally a good idea so watch out for that climate chat, I'm not sure what it's actually going to be called until we know quite yet with its climate definitely climate chance, I think we're something we're working on the exact title but pretty much that along along those lines, so thank you OK watch out for that you heard it here heritage here first,

k if we could move on, I don't think I've got anything else to update them, thank you and a big welcome to Gideon, we've only just started, you're very welcome.

banjo sorry for being loud not at all, let's move on, then, if we may, to item 6 governance arrangements now, those of you who are at last Committee will know that we did have some discussion in terms of just reshaping up and sharpening some of our governance issues.

and progress has been made since that last meeting and Liz, I think you've got a report on that, thank you Chair sorry, yes, I'm really valued the conversation we had last time around.

Liz Hunter - 0:15:04

around this committee, and so the things that we've done, which are now reflected back in the paper which is here for your some, for which to note and some which for which to have a conversation about, so

you asked us to go away and think about health representative on the committee, we've approached the integrated care ward and we have a we have Ian Holmes, who'll be joining it, and the Combined Authority actually agreed that at their last meeting so we've made some progress unfortunately in was unable to attend at this meeting but will hopefully be at at future meetings, so I think that's a really important way for our health colleagues to be round the table both in terms of the health outcomes that I think this agenda supports.

and also recognising the implications of the NHS on the climate and sustainability. So there's two aspects for Ian Beaman table, which is great. The paper also notes the changes which we we've already mentioned to to our colleagues for Environment Agency and Yorkshire Water. So welcome and then you asked us to go away and consider how we might be able to seek the views of young people and feed that into this committee. I remember in through our Chair, there's a few suggestions in the paper and the climate conversation or chat which you've just mentioned is also an opportunity to do that, so we are trying to pursue those things that it says in the paper, particularly looking at

the students want is our organisational wide approach to understanding and engaging with your young people and climate fits in that, but also notice some specific things we want to do, particularly around the climate conversation, so welcome any comments or views on those but hopefully you'll see that we've taken on board your feedback,

thank you, and can I just confirm what we discussed at the last Committee, which is that we want?

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:16:44

have a dip teacher until the LEPs stuff is sorted out. Thank you, yes, I, so we are looking forward to a new Deputy Chair from the LEP Board.

Liz Hunter - 0:16:59

The the LEP is changing, as many of you will know, and there has been further recruitment, including a new rather climate lecture. There'll be a new business advisory

chair for that group, but there is still a group of private sector members, one of whom will then will ask to be Deputy Chair of this Committee, I'm hoping that will happen in November and be rectified by the Combined Authority in December, so by February chair I am hopeful.

I love the some long-term horizon the summer decisions, although we

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:17:36

can never be as bad as Network Rail whose planning horizons or who these 20 for 43, if not later, actually includes.

thank you, Les and I really pleased to welcome when he is able to attend in Holmes from the health services, I think that focus on the primary care, end of primary care, social care, health and the community end of things has got a strong link with our work around housing, transport.

air quality, all of those things, I think that's absolutely right, so I'm really pleased about that and I'm sure we'll all welcome him at the next meeting and welcome to the new Members from the Environment Agency and Yorkshire Water I wouldn't mind the committee just having a quick look at.

is it 2.6 onwards within sorry 2, points 8 onwards in the papers and just see there what is said about young people, because I think possibly we had maybe slightly naively some sort of idea that we could find the idea of a young person who would represent all other young people and would come to this committee and I think we realised that that was indeed naive and those

disk description, they have the kind of things that have been done so far in terms of thinking around youth representation, and indeed this list says thinking about the climate conversation of the climate, chat, events that are coming up in terms of what's described there from 2.8 to 2.18 in the paper any further comments on youth representation or or people relatively content to live with that for the moment and habit as work in progress, I guess.

Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 0:19:41

thank you, I think, is it, it's a good list, it looks like a list of activities that would reach a significant number of young people, and I think that's important, I think the key thing that we need to be aware of is what happens after that engagement when we've collected that information, we have the voices of young people from all the different areas that are mentioned in those paragraphs what, then will happen with that information?

1 to make sure that they actually are a voice that is having an impact, but to so then be able to feed back to them and say this is what you said, and this is what it's led to so a two way kind of thing really, I think is important

thank you really important, so as always with these types of

Liz Hunter - 0:20:36

engagements that they, the team will look at the the the.

the responses and I'm expecting that to be able to be to come back to the committee so you can see that.

but yeah, I completely agree, I don't want this just to be a kind of one-off, it needs to be the start of a conversation, so whilst we will obviously have we'll we'll have surveys, et cetera, that will be live for certain amounts of time and we'll go and engage with certain groups.

now this is a Council scheme, this is a longer term projects, so will we be talking to the team about how we can what we built those relationships haven't that builds can maintain them, so it's a really great point thank you

getting.

yeah, I'm also thinking about a broader reach as well, through the

Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 0:21:14

likes of the Scouts and all of that kind of associations there's a lot of work going on there, even at the squirrel level, which is the real tots where they're actually being talked about environmental things at the moment which is,

it's good news, but I think I think there is an opportunity to use that one network and that leadership.

to actually support and help getting out and those other organisations or similar that do that, can I just step one stage back up briefly and that's to woo Yorkshire Walter being here, which I'm really happy to

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:21:47

not your towards sorry, the Environment Agency really happy to see you being apologies already.

yeah, it wasn't that the Romans, sorry, it's been a long day already.

but

but it's not just about flooding, we need to have a broader sense of what's coming back from the Environment agents who'll be helpful, thank you.

thank you Gideon check.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:22:18

thank you Chair, I agree, broadly with the recommendations outlined in

Cllr Jack Hemingway (Wakefield Council) - 0:22:22

the report, I think for me it is right that we researched the appropriate methods of engagement. I do think it was well. We'd see how young people want to be engaged, let's have some good design around this. How do they want to be involved? What works for them might not necessarily work for us, so under 2 12 it would be good, perhaps if if the Mexican conversation could ask young people question, how do you want the comedic authority to work with you and to listen to your ideas and get their feedback on the idea?

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:22:55

thank you any more, for I think we're all, if you excuse me, I think we're all slightly outside the target age group, in terms of the so Jack's point is a very useful one, maybe, and it's good officers, of course from that comment.

okay, as the committee happy to note the appointment of the NHS representative, not to welcome the change in membership of this Committee and to note what the work ongoing in terms of engaging with young people.

thank you,

7 Monitoring Indicators

OK, we're going to move on then quickly to monitoring indicators, and I think Peter you're going to do some work on this forests. Thank you. Thank you Chair. It's all there's a paper that comes with item at page

Peter Glover - 0:23:49

21 and also an appendix which I think was made in the original pattern, but Miles has kindly circulated separately. So the background to this is that each Committee meeting we report on the state of the region, indicators that are most relevant to the remit of the Committee for both those indicators are agreed

and its design that are that this is designed to provide context to the discussions of the Committee, so in terms of the update in the report, and we do that by exception, and we only update on indicators for which new for which data has changed for which new data has become available and we also, as I mentioned, provided an appendix which visualise as the latest data for all the indicators and that that's purely for reference, so the indicators are listed in the paper, but there are a number of additional indicators which have come forward through the West Yorkshire Plan consultation process and they relate to the deployment of electric buses and also electric vehicle charge points.

so I'll cover those as well in this item.

there was at the last Committee meeting, there was a detailed discussion of the emissions related indicators.

so I don't propose to go through those again at this meeting, but the conclusion of that discussion was really that there's a huge challenge presented by emissions reduction and an accelerated progress accelerated rate of progress is required. So what I propose to do now is briefly took John the headlines reaching the indicator. Each indicator that's presented in the in the in the paper and what I should say is that when the state of the region report is published, that will provide a lot more detail on each of the indicators starting out with building energy efficiency. What we use here as a core indicator is energy performance certificate data, which I know low. A lot of the members of the committee have a have reservations about the reason we use. It is because it's readily available and it provides a comparative picture, both over time and relative to other areas, and the latest figures show that 35% of dwellings in West Yorkshire have an APC rating of C or higher, which is actually 7% points lower than the national average of 42%. Having said that, the picture is improving. So looking at the latest LPC lodgement for quarter 2 of the sheer 54% of those large amounts make the threshold of a C or above compared with 58% nationally, so it's higher than the existing stock of lodgement overall stock of lodgement, and, if we look at new builds 91% of lodgement for new builds during that quarter met the threshold of C or above, whereas for existing dwellings it was 49%. So tending to flooding now, which is obviously we've touched upon, is at the forefront again in terms of in terms of everybody's thoughts and also it's a key test of society's resilience in the face of the the effects of climate change,

we update this analysis each year around premises at risk of flooding.

the latest figures show that 3.4% of resident residential properties are around 35,000 in absolute terms are in arena flood zone.

that rises to more than 6% of Calderdale properties in terms of commercial properties in flood zones. The figures 15,000 in absolute terms, or 14% of total commercial properties rising to 22% in Calderdale and details of those of variations on local authority, are contained in the appendix turning now to access to green space. So this is this is a and indicated that we use that we measure using natural England, solid methodologies, JF layers and

obviously, the benefits to health and wellbeing arising from engaging with green space are well documented, so that's why it's one of our core indicators.

and indicates that we use for this, as our core indicator is proportion of population living within 300 metres of an area of accessible natural green space of at least 2 hectares in size and based on this indicator, the average for West Yorkshire is 23%, with a variation of between 15% in Kirkley and 28% in Leeds. More details in the appendix we also have additional indicators relating to access to green space, which is set out in the state of the region. Report which is is forthcoming since the Committee last met with new figures and will become available relating to fuel poverty and obviously, fuel poverty is an important issue from the point of view of economic inclusion, but also energy efficient and energy efficiency and emissions reduction. So the latest official figures published by government show that 17% of households in West Yorkshire are in fuel poverty compared with a national average of 13%

now these figures only relate to 2021 and of course don't take account of recent developments, so for that reason the Combined Authority is calculated its own estimates and the latest figure that we have is for June July 2023, at which point we estimate that 30% of households are in fuel poverty in West Yorkshire compared with 22% nationally because actually a huge challenge there we were in the process of updating these figures again to take account of the recent changes in the Ofgem price cap, so turning now to the deployment of public electric vehicle charging infrastructure,

I think there is an item on the substantive item on the agenda about this as well, and the key message here is really that we've seen a rapid roll-out of our AVB charging infrastructure but from a low starting points, so we have an installed base of 981 devices across West Yorkshire as of July 2023 and this is a 41% increase year on year and a 140% increase over three years so so rapid growth but from a relatively low base if you look at the prevalence of public devices is below the national average in West Yorkshire so relative to population and the papers not play them, I should say east relative to 100,000 of population, the ratio in West Yorkshire is 42 compared with 67 nationally but we do have a high prevalence of rapid and above charging devices so the the ratios here are 14 for West Yorkshire versus 12 per 100,000 population nationally again there's more detail in the appendix but a lot of that performance is driven by Leeds.

so there are around 321 rapid device charging devices in West Yorkshire in total.

the final point around the electric bus fleet we started to monitor this, based on figures supplied by bus operators, and the latest figures show about 2% of the total bus fleets consists of battery powered buses, so that's a quick overview and back to you Chair,

thank you, Peter, and thank you for the appendix in particularly I'm

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:31:07

sorry that came round late because the, if you get a chance to look at the graphs there and the bar charts they really are quite striking actually.

I wonder if I could just mention a couple of things in that report that particularly struck me and other people will have other things, and I think your reference to any in your introduction, in terms of some of the shortcomings of any such statistical analysis in terms of rubbish and rubbish,

but no Mullins is just querying some, and I've asked our officers and Calderdale to take a further look at the access to green space one because it has been used in the Combined Authority documents, nothing but Calderdale and Kirk, please come out as areas with very little access to green space compared with say, Leeds and Bradford.

and and it just seems counter and completely counterintuitive in terms of both of them having very, very large, similar rural hinterlands and not great inner city areas, so I've asked the officers to go into a bit of looking at what the methodology is there because it does give you the impression that culture deals whilst warm concrete but that figure is not so that was one thing the other thing and it relates to.

your update in terms of statistics, a boat.

while a number of things, but particularly about electric vehicles, et cetera, I note I attended one aspect, one or two, if you run, the room may well have also attended.

session run by the National Grid last week from deals was there.

and one of the things that.

was being discussed there, certainly at the tables, the small tables, a matter of discussion was how we asked the Combined Authority and as a set of five districts, do projections are looking forward in terms of demand and how some of that demand is met by the national grid and the transmission routes of what the waiting lists are in terms of large housing build,

a decarbonisation of fleet and de Vos dapples and all of those kind of things and looking forward in terms of rejecting where we're going to be and demand for West Yorkshire in terms of clean and green energy and how we make sure that we get into the planning and projections for that. One of the things that was a surprise to me in terms of the the national grids figures is that West Yorkshire is a net consumer of electricity rather than a net generator, of course, of electricity, and that's because we are a manufacturing and business area. That's our profile, and certainly as we go through some of the papers thinking about ways in which we might also be involved in generation might be something that's fruitful to think about, but it was just something looking particularly electric vehicle charging infrastructure and looking about our future demand as we decarbonise, particularly public transport, of where we are in the queue, to get connected up to some of these new things. So there's thus where my points and Dunham what comments people have got in terms of the indicators were there any surprises,

Martin

a thanks Chair couple of points.

it wasn't in the paper, you mentioned it in your presentation that 91% of new builds reach ipcc, or above, which suggests 9% don't which I find staggering, if that's true.

surely, that's something we ought to be as.

influencing on that's extraordinary.

Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership) - 0:35:23

the second one is, can you just say, which definition of fuel poverty or rather why so let me just check that one relates to the eastern. It's the same, one of the government, you calculate its figures with the they've changed them yeah if in which case, it's the one that says if you live in an APC, C property or better, you are not classed as being in fuel poverty, no matter what your income is, which is a nonsense. So the 30% that we Re were estimating is

I would say inevitably an underestimate of reality.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:36:03

thank you, that's very interesting Martin, thank you for that, and it Peter did you did caveat your presentation on this in terms of some of the critique of some of the methodology by which the statistics are.

development and collected, so that's certainly one for us to look at, we did have a similar figure.

and I can't rule out this Combined Authority, it was previous committee about the fact that Calderdale, in particular in terms of new-build with E P C C and above, was already falling down and again going back to the ranch, I've asked for further information on that, but it is shocking in the state of nature that that is actually possible to do that given that we're in the Pennines.

anybody else getting.

Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 0:36:58

just on 2.5, we've got deployment of electric buses and then you've

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:37:04

got electric buses under the pool point of the one, the seamers are something different, sorry, and that is an area that's just mentioned

Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 0:37:07

twice, OK, that's fine.

I was wondering if we could also, though, think about this in terms of

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:37:15

electric miles or 0 0 carbon miles as well.

one is, if we can get that information, then maybe people would see it in terms of their journeys as opposed to just how many buses we've got, so I don't know if that's possible, that would be, I think, quite a good one too to send that message I certainly like you, Chair picked up on Carclaze and was scratching my head a lot.

this idea in terms of the PCS, I was maybe it's for later conversation, but it did bring to mind that maybe we should be looking for incentives in some form or another, and I don't mean fizz financial incentives but some way of pushing companies in a nudging sort of way into doing better than see so and heading to be, and maybe if you do that you'll recognise by by Wicker or something with a badge or whatever, but something to promote that though they're going above and beyond because we can't do anything from a legal point of view, but it would be useful to give that to give a nudge in that light sort of move it forward in that

and just finally, this all needs each of these, it feels like there could be a dashboard somewhere that people could see on the website may be. I don't know if we're there yet, but it might be useful to have people physically seeing that things are changing and going down. Thank you, thank you. That's very interesting, particularly in terms

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:38:56

of what we say about incentivising our large housebuilding companies. I'm thinking about the mirrors work on the firework charter as

in this case, something that companies should be working towards and whether there is any mileage in that if officers can take that away and take a look at it, Jim you wanted to come in yeah thank you so it

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:39:20

was just a just answer the question I wasn't there at the National

Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 0:39:27

Grid event last Tuesday but a couple of my colleagues were in fact one of them was onstage giving a sort of local view so,

national Grid run the serve, the the big wires the transmission system over the whole of GB, and we run the local wires so quite often if we're talking about electric vehicle charging or or heat pumps in housing and those kinds of things it's cakes to our network and that's why we're really keen to get involved in an event so we were spending a lot of our time speaking to the likes of the people to my left here.

and the Combined Authority, and also in the in the in the and the particular areas and and the the local area energy plans, the leaps you wanna call them that are keen to this, because I think that's about making sure that we do get that no down to the neighborhood level really, and that's something that National Grid doesn't do we feel like we do when we're talking about electric vehicle charging patterns and things were really keen that the the local electricity grid supports the connections that people want today, plus into the future. As we look for further up the uptake, so let's just say, yeah, that that was a good event and we were glad to be there and there's lots of other things going on alongside it. We might come back to that when we get to the one of the papers a bit later on the agenda

thank you, thank you, and can I say that your colleague Lizzy was very

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:40:39

good, excellent or pass it back to it, thank you.

I cannot sing him deals indicate, so if I beg your pardon Scott,

Cllr Jenny Kent - 0:40:53

that's OK just just briefly, and I think the benefit of sort of data sets are a good thing I'm mindful about.

I am mindful about charts that pit sort of one authority to another, I'm sure some of us in local authority are aware of you know been been on charts about where we stand, however, in the interest of enjoying some of the datasets featured here I'm just wondering if there's the ability for data to be broken down for all look it up local authority areas in the way that the proper energy efficiency,

areas have been,

not not in terms of competition, just in terms of knowledge.

thank you, I don't know, Peter or Liz, if you want to come back on

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:41:37

that, whether that's something to take away in the work with individual districts that just to come back on the point about the

Peter Glover - 0:41:45

dashboard, first of all we do have a state, the region dashboard,

with Charles which?

includes the these indicators and map does have the facility to actually break all the data down by a local authority, but what we can do in future packs if that if it's an interest, is it present a local authority breakdown for all the indicators where we have data.

thank you very much.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:42:12

OK, if we could just.

Nikki, Parton sorry, thank you, we are just two points, I thought the

Adam Ashman - 0:42:22

statistics were really good, so I like to I'll I I just wondered if there are.

forward projection in terms of targets that we're aiming for, so that we know what we're striving to get to, and the second point was more around the I think Gideon, you mentioned green energy, so do we see the blend of energy in the in the region so green versus non renewable is that reported anywhere?

sir, so we don't have targets rather, the indicators. I think the main

Peter Glover - 0:42:55

for for focus in terms of targets is on the emissions related ones. So we do have a carbon emission reduction pathway figure where we project the rate of progress is required to achieve net-zero, and I think that's in the appendix so we don't we don't necessarily have targets for all indicators, but I mean maybe that's something that we need to develop in terms of the sort of energy mix. That's something that we've discussed at the Committee meeting, so there are there are data available, we don't report them

regularly as part of the state of the region indicators, but they certainly are available, we can refer you to the the previous papers, where we misrepresented those.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:43:40

thank you, thank you, Peter Anchorage being dividend and then Alison.

David, thank you, so the first thing I want to say is as regards the indicators.

David Owumi (Private Sector Representative) - 0:43:48

I'm just curious to find out why we only meet in our coalition of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide.

because they are, although you know,

because he's more put in on what the interests of the environment, so are, we do have a system police, the money does it checks bees.

secondly, as a result of flooding, we've recently as a result of the rainfall we've experienced disruption in transportation, and I'm concerned that if this persists.

Y know those who live in West Yorkshire will probably want to opt for getting vehicles and once we have more vehicles underway, that would also increase, or what strategies will be put in place to ensure that the disruptions in transportation and public transportation as a result of flooding does not,

this consultation, so next I want to talk about the electric vehicle charging infrastructure.

it's great that we are making advances in this regard, but I'm more concerned about taking this outside the scope of emissions to Zero Waste.

NI 8 electric vehicle charging companies exhibits him, and none of them add an end of life plan for their product, and they all bragged about you know, warranties and all of that, but what did the consumers do with the products post consumption that's also?

in time.

for carbon experts, so are we sure now what measures will be particularly sweet show that we are not cautiously unconsciously exporting our carbon to other regions.

are we also keeping track of our scope 3 emissions?

need more transparency as regards how these numbers were collated, thank you.

thank you, David covered a lot of ground there, and I think some of

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:46:05

the issues picked up in the later papers, particularly around transport issues.

an interesting what you say about EV and end of life just been having a discussion with developers who have applied for a wind farm encoded over large energy, generate green energy generation.

project and asking the question is a question that Scottish wind farms have begun to ask what happens at the end of life, what is the possibility in terms of recycling, what happens to these things, so I think that's that's very timely question in terms of the guesses in terms of flooding and transport and carbon Expo, I don't want this if you want to come back here or whether

there are things later on the agenda.

and thanks a really really good points, and I think an eaves, let's

Liz Hunter - 0:47:08

come back when James is is here, he's he's from our transport team to understand whether he'd had any conversations as I think, on exporting carbon, I don't know if we have any data on exporting carbon actually I'm coming from Peter to whether we do or not, but it's a really good point in a moment I think we need to build into our the next wave of our plans so yeah, thank you helpful

thank you, and the methodological question is one of the things that

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:47:33

we all need to keep an eye on, so I think you've gotten Peter in terms of just making sure we understand those statistics, well, thank you all and we note we note the headline indicators and progress on those and we look forward to the next one and to bearing down on some of those target areas.

8 Natural England's Work in the Region

if we could move on then to item 8, and that's over to you Liz, to welcome our guests and presentation for this committee.

Liz Hunter - 0:48:06

the FA thank you, so it's it's really great to see where its work mulligan, and Paul thank you for coming really the paper with an introduction to then enable you to do your presentation, but we have got team members here who are working, I am on our local nature recovery strategy,

and the work we're doing in partnership with us all, so I think Clegg is right, will pass over for the for your presentation and then we're happy to open it out to any questions, feeder yourselves, or to the team are also here.

lovely, thank you, thank you for inviting us, and, and also thank you

Paul Duncan - 0:48:39

for being what feels like at the forefront of many of these very difficult society, challenging senior many other parts of the country grappling with exactly the same for all parts of the country, but I think you know, you feel like you're pioneering a white suit, so that's great to see so we're both natural England ambulance walk

Oliver Harmer - 0:48:53

slightly more generally about what we're trying to do nationally, and reporting Posner has come on to talk about local nature recovery, shutting give some

if some local context, we're not gonna talk through the slides one by one, but they're kind of briefing background material in your packs, if that's OK, I think first of all I just want to take for granted that everyone knows who natural England are us we're part of from Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs if you'd like a sister body to the Environment Agency sister body to the Forestry Commission as well probably names that you recognise.

we've been through a period of significant growth, actually it's quite rare for a public body and that follows the environment back in 2021, which set out a lot of new tools and powers, local election coverage is being won, but really in recognition that you know I guess his wife's isn't on the table we are tackling a nature emergency as well as a climate emergency and I think many of us, I'm sure recognise their opposite sides of the same coin.

in coming today we looked at your West Yorkshire climate environment action plan, and there was there was honestly tremendous synergy between what we're trying to do nationally and what you're trying to do locally, in fact you know it's it's Isco just hump just how comparable the the aims and objectives are, that's great to see. I think therefore the conversation I'd really like to understand is what what can we do better together in comparison to how we were already working, because I think our aims and objectives feel very, very aligned, just taking a step back, so I mentioned earlier I used to be the Yorkshire who directed the Environment Agency. It goes without saying across Yorkshire, particularly West Yorkshire was sitting on some amazing natural environments which not every part of the country has the challenge, of course, which we just alluded to in the last agenda item is that not everyone has the same level of access to experience all the benefits those environments give to to talk to each one of us

so that the people aspect is a major driver alongside the nature aspect, and you know it's it's literally both together.

natural England's mission, then, is to build partnerships for nature's recovery, the word partnership is absolutely key, because we cannot possibly get even close to making progress alone, it has to be through national partnerships and, two, crucially, place-based local partnerships, which is right here today.

and I think across the kind of A5 I call it conservation sector, there's a recognition that protecting the kind of good bits of what we've got left simply hasn't worked and isn't going to work in the future, and therefore natural England's mission you know again through partnership is very much to look at a bolder range of tools to integrate nature climate with every other part of planning to genuinely drive change at a landscape scale.

so it's less about site boat, it's more about landscapes and that's landscapes for a whole range of purposes, and that's clearly about you know thriving nature is about access and we talk about green in 50 everyone having 15 minutes, everyone living within 15 minutes of quality green space and obviously the climate resilience aspects carbon aspect of the water quality aspects which one hears much new about the health aspects they're all intertwined, so it's about what can that all do for us as a society.

I'm just talking about the kind of new tools, and many of you will have heard acronyms, hopefully this puts in a little bit of context, but I'll keep a fairly high level, so the local nature recovery strategy

which you are leading for. West Yorkshire were the kind of support national expertise. If you like so very much, we are in a facilitative role. That's one of 50 across across the country, and they're so critical, because in order to get landscape-scale nature recovery, we need when we need a strategic plan and that strategic plan has to sit alongside an integrated within wider planning. It can't sit on a shelf and be and be and be an add-on, so the all on and off the local, symmetrical shashi is the first time we're gonna do those across the country, but a number of other tools as well. So some of you and I met Councillor Scullion at this was in Bradford. Recently we launched the latest six big nature recovery projects. I'm not gonna be 25 across the country of these by 2025, and we've got one here for Bradford and the South Pennines, and that's really us again facilitating and providing some kind of sequel investments to really empower local community and local authority lead a whole range of partners in a in in in a specific place, particularly where we have some intractable issues, including lack of access to quality green space

biodiversity net gain is coming in next year, which is a policy for for new developments to not just cause no detriment to the environment, but actually to go beyond that and to make the environment a better place so that the link between BMG biodiversity net gain local nature recovery strategy is that if we got a strategic plan about where we want more nature that's embedded into wider planning,

we can also plan where, where income from be empty from developers can be used to drive and actually incentivise that that better delivery on the ground.

Green social prescribing it's it said it's a bit of jargon in a sense, but this is about how linking to the health agenda.

in thinking differently around prescriptions and using green opportunities, alongside other aspects of social prescribing to actually you know, tackle causing quite acute health issues and thinking quite different way around what healthcare looks like and using that as part of our toolkit to really improve access and the wellbeing benefits of access to quality green space, so that's something that we're facilitating nationally but again a conversation around what could collaboration look like in that area.

and then, finally, we're working very much with the Environment Agency on catchment scale, approaches again links into local nature recovery strategies, and I'm part of a deeper steering group trying to set out the policy framework for this. But that is really important because if we're to tackle water quality and sewage in our rivers, we need to regulate the water industry and work with the water industry, but also worked with farmers through initiatives like Katherine, sensitive farming, farm farming and natural England have got representatives all across West Yorkshire working with the farming community. On that angle, I'll stop there, a lot of information pulled. You just want to add on the eleanor's normal opening up air a little over, Eleanor originally a little about the nature recovery project. If I may so Eleanor risks, as all of us already said, that's gonna set basically the plan for how we're going to recover nature across the country.

we've got four in Yorkshire West Yorkshire as a key one of those I have a small dedicated team towards the delivery of Eleanor Harris for facilitation with the each of the relevant authorities.

Paul Duncan - 0:56:00

but the other arm s-length bodies deal that the Forestry Commission and IER also have some resource into that as well, and it is our natural England job Sotto brigade that bringing it together and then help you guys with that information.

so hopefully we that's working well, I think we have regular contact with the Combined Authority towards pushing that forward and, as I said, that's gonna that's gonna set the baseline for how we move forward.

we can't completely standstill in the meantime while it's being prepared, though, and as Oliver's already mentioned, the year, the launch of the nature recovery project, particularly Bradford and the South Pennines, obviously them on the more important ones with big in Yorkshire based was was done earlier in the year.

large area we've selected an area of about 30,000 hectares hugely diverse but into in terms of both landscape, you've got the wide expansive areas of the South Pennine moors, huge carbon stock up there that needs to be secured and it needs to be improved the resilience of that area sweeping down into the urban areas of Bradford and Calderdale,

homes of many sort of diverse, disconnected communities and the the project about not only improving the resilience and the quality of the landscape outside the urban areas, but bringing it within the urban areas and bringing the people within the open areas out into the countryside as well.

so facilitating those health benefits, facilitating greater access to green space and nature, we have other tools that we use that we can also feed into the delivery of nature recovery, and the delivery of the Eleanor's Oliver has already mentioned P and G biodiversity net game how that's gonna be rolled out but there's already there's other things like them green finance that we will explore as part of the niche recovery project but also establish methods like agri-environment schemes currently have sequential stewardship.

our team delivering catchment sensitive farming,

that looks at air and water pollution and farming systems.

yeah, the there's a lot, there's a lot to go out.

thank you.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:58:25

thank you Paul, thank you, Oliver.

71 to start.

Jenny

and this is fantastic, can I just ask what scale you go down to

Cllr Scott Patient - 0:58:41

because you are looking at an abroad area but, for example, coming from York or any of the districts within the region, do you do actually have a measurement of land space that you're going down to into or not?

could you expand on that, so you talk about 30,000 hectares, what's the smallest parcel of land, you're LA?

Cllr Scott Patient - 0:59:03

sure about money, so some of the projects are very large scale, so we have.

Paul Duncan - 0:59:10

peak for clients.

nature of climate funding peak capital grant scheme, which will cover thousands of hectares for peatland restoration, but other projects that we're dealing with will be a single project and a community farm.

can encompass the whole, the whole range. I suppose what I'm asking,

Cllr Scott Patient - 0:59:34

which may be too detailed, is you is part of this mapping the whole of the region or all the land in the whole of it, and if so, to what detail or is it picking projects from that as being most important? Okay, the next recovery project is about picking projects rather than

Paul Duncan - 0:59:49

mapping particular areas. Some of that mapping and opportunity mapping will be done through others,

yeah, you might want to do that to be all Norse, for I can just covenant as well as, I think the the big benefit of the local nature recovery charity is to have a strategic approach which we are all working to so literally all partners working to, but it can't just sit on a shelf that has to develop a pipeline of projects, so the whole what does that mean in terms of a action plan going forwards how we can it together raise the green finance leverage as much public funding from central government bringing the third sector to make best use of their volunteering networks.

all of it together, I think, is is the real opportunity posed by local and extra coffee shops, and I think, therefore I I wouldn't want to give a threshold, I think it's changed at all levels, it's really exciting.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:00:47

thank you, I thought Jack and then Gideon. Thank you, Chair yeah,

Cllr Jack Hemingway (Wakefield Council) - 1:00:51

thank you for the presentation and I think it's a really exciting project to see the sort of immense resources we have in West Yorkshire utilised in this way to create potentially new national nature reserves, something really special and play a big part in the NYT's recovery is grit. I think my question is, I suppose more Authority officers come in from the Whitefield side and perhaps those parts of Leeds and and Cook lies the DUP fall into this particular project. I just wouldn't want us to lose focus on B and G funding and support going to those areas as well, because one of the main things you've got a lot of growth. Areas for housing and economic development in those areas and residents are really keen to see improvements and yet, just as long as possible, so just to plead with you to ensure that we do have some some projects in those areas as well. I'm sure we will, but I just have to say that from away from point of view,

thank you and biodiversity net gain is clearly going to be absolutely

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:01:40

crucial in terms of those new developments. I've got Gideon and then Martin, thank you for I should probably do a declaration of interest

Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 1:01:49

at this point because the South Pennine part, my wife, is a trustee of Rotherham connection which is one of the beneficiaries of that that scheme. So I'll mention that now, although I haven't got anything to do with myself and a few things ha 1, I wondered if you could maybe talk about your connections with White Rose Forest Partnership

and how all of that integrates together again, a declaration, my wife is on that world for proven connection, but it's just an interest I have in it on that question in terms of biodiversity net gain, it was alluded to earlier that section 1 0 6 money is used, then for that.

it would be very helpful to understand, and I know we.

some of my other hats,

that we're trying to understand how much that Section 106 money is actually going into, where it should go into, how much of it is being given away, because developers aren't aren't able to do it, or they say so, and things like that, so I wondered if there's some metrics or something that you've got that we could understand a bit better about that side of it.

and then the other final one is in terms of the West Yorkshire.

strategy,

is there any way that other people can get involved, I don't know who's involved in it, but it would be one be interested in thank you.

thank you, I'll just take Martin, and then I'll ask the officers to

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:03:30

come back, puncture yeah also invite a biodiversity net gain, I say

Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership) - 1:03:37

this as a developer and somebody, you is generally enthusiastic about the concept of B and G.

I think we'd all agree that brownfield development or development on brownfield sites is better than on virgin or green greenfield sites.

but

there is a bit of tension policy tension because many brownfield sites, particularly ones which had been allowed to to go wild and rewilding of it through many years of neglect.

actually, they can be very, very biodiverse and the calculation is based on a site specific basis, so actually developing those brownfield sites can be very challenging in terms of B N G at compared to a neighbouring farmer's field, for example.

so I just do not just draw attention to the potential policy tension in in terms of planning versus bingeing.

thank you, Oliver Paul, do you want to pick some of those things up?

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:04:39

Paul Duncan - 1:04:46

yeah, so from the White Rose Forest side of things, we have quite a lot of involvement in that we're part of this sort of we have a team of people who look at woodland, planting applications as they come in, and we advise forest.

of tree-planting applications

to facilitate that, I sit on a steering group with White Rose Forest Woodland, Trust and the Defra tree, I'm excited things.

Start smoother over and try and facilitate schemes going forward, but we also, as part of the

part of the nature recovery project, we have schemes that are being delivered by Whiterose Forest, so they are looking at a few as an example, the potential impact of tree planting on ground-nesting bird populations through things like predatory shadow

thanks Paul, so getting I don't know what of hands your question marks section 106, but if you give me your details we'll go away and find out if that's OK it's it's a good question, of course with B N G it's gotta work as a system and we're gonna be able to track and one thing we're building a natural England is a was why it sounds a bit jargon again, but it's a register team so that there is a clear audit trail and a really really transparent process.

between developer contribution and outcome delivered, and that lasts over a long period of time, it isn't just for today sounds simple, it's not.

on the on the West Yorkshire strategy, I mean again, that's a good question. Paul, do you want to describe how we're supporting it, but Wick officers might want to scrap the government's being put in place? I I, I'm not, I'm not sure a log to speed on the okay, the West Yorkshire strategy, OK so it was. We got a lead. Local nature recovery strategy officer for each of the 50 around the country and their job is to work with you directly to facilitating the best work. Or really, I think where we want to be going to by yourselves in terms of how you want to use that, but we'll bring national expertise and evidence and help share good practice. Strong country

thank you and Tamsin who is here is, is it our lead on the work, and

Liz Hunter - 1:07:08

there has been a a paper previously to committee seeking volunteers, but I now appreciate not everybody's always them at the committee, so we're very happy to have you involved so if you want to drop us a line to Tamsin we can we were looking for nominations from the Committee onto the steering group.

so you would be very happy to have you Gideon if you're willing participant in that Thompson, did you won't say anything yeah, just really briefly, we are working extremely closely with natural England and partners on this, so thank you for the support we're getting from

Tamsin Constable - 1:07:34

matrimony, that's been really superb, we're meeting them weekly to progress the lloris.

I think in terms of getting involved with the local nature recovery strategy and we have got a website on the kind of your voice paid on the Combined Authority, there's an e-mail better sign up for bulletins, the first bulletin went out I believe yesterday so I'm I'll be glad to have all of your e-mail addresses on that if you'd like to volunteer them onto that website or let me know and give me permission to put you on our distribution list we've been watching stakeholder engagement stuff further down the line and we're just launching the farm and engagement work barely as soon as the first part of doing that.

and yes, just to reiterate the open invitation for someone from this Committee to join our professional and academic board to support the narrative, very much like a Cabin ties between the work we're doing and yourselves as someone I can check in with a bit more routinely and and keep updated about the analysis, though if anybody is interested in supporting that, I'm glad to hear from you, thank you. Thank you

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:08:35

Thomson I have to say that one of the things that's on my mind, I mean you'll realise it's a theme of mine

in terms of the acronyms in this area. Every area has got its own acronyms. But if I'm knocking on people's doorsteps for a discussion about local issues, they are not going to mention B, N, G or Eleanor shares, and until one of my challenges back to natural England is is making this real in terms of people, you know what's our narrative as members of this committee and as politicians and as businesses, what's our narrative ready in terms of what is what is this set of set of things and why is it important try? So I'd guess I'm invited, I'm not necessarily expecting answers on the spot, but in fighting some of those strong words that we can use with our own fellow Councillors and others who are not as familiar with this agenda

I think that's a good challenge and we've recently journalists

Paul Duncan - 1:09:34

Mary-Ann Ochota, come to talk to our staff around how we can communicate in really simple and quite emotive language. Actually I mean at its heart. This is about thriving nature for for everyone and all the benefits it brings to people, but I recognise we need to tell him message, certainly on the doorstep to different audiences, Martin has responded to pick up your points around brownfield developments and a biodiversity net gain. So again, what I can do is I can put you in touch with

DEFRA policy, colleagues, who who own that if that's helpful.

there there is a kind of a wide, almost academic debate around how we measure the best parts of biodiversity and where it resides, and how would she brownfield versus greenfield, but if I have to say a little offline if that would be helpful?

thank you, I'll draw this part of the agenda to close, I just wanted to to say, and as a Councillor, patient knows as well.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:10:33

one of the things and I don't know if it's a post flooding thing is that cormorants have taken up residence in my them, ride in Calderdale, and we're worried that this is a kind of harbinger of things to come, but it's clearly shows the biodiversity brought hippo flooding sometimes thank you.

we're going to move on to something no, that is something that this committee has, I know in the past, spent quite a lot of time, thinking about the issues, to do with transport, the range of issues to do with transport and our sustainability and climate emergency.

issues now Paul and Oliver, I suppose I should say to you, feel free to slip away or feel free to attend for the rest of the business of the meeting, entirely up to you, thank you very much.

K Liz, is it Stacey?

it's good to Stacey, thank you, thank you Chair.

them, so the purpose of this report is to seek endorsement for the

Stacey White, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:11:45

development of the sustainability strategy for mass transit and St your views in terms of the process to date and emerging priorities that will be used in the formation of the strategy, so the aim of the strategies provide clear sustainability outcomes and commitments that act as golden threads and guide the project from feasibility through to operation.

a four-stage process is being developed to produce a strategy based on a review of relevant policies and background information, stakeholder workshops, prioritisation to identify key sustainability outcomes and then finally, strategy development to set a framework, agree priority outcomes and develop a public face in strategy document, so the project is now part way through the prioritisation phase and 28 key sustainability outcomes have been narrowed down to 16 which were used to develop the outcomes.

this has been undertaken through workshops with district partner authorities, statutory environmental and health bodies, and they have identified emerging priorities across four sustainability pillars which transport, economic, environmental and social as set out at Appendix 1. So it's important to know that we're sustainable. Two topics haven't been identified as a priority for this strategy. This does not mean that we do not consider them to be important. It may be that, in considering the wider policy ecosystem, it's a project organisation or regional level that those priorities are already identified and being progressed through other means. An example of this in context is equality, diversity and inclusion, which is absolutely a priority for us as an organisation and project, but the development of the Act to

it will ensure that the scheme is inclusive and accessible for all users and lead to equitable distribution and benefits, the sustainability strategy is not necessarily the place or the vehicle to achieve this, so today we will seek an input from the Committee in terms of the process and approach to date and emerging priorities which will be used to develop a sustainability strategy.

I will bring for the paper in due course update committee members on the strategy development and seek further input as necessary or desired, so I think I am happy to take any comments and views in terms of the process to date it is upset there's also Appendix 2 which presents opportunities for,

sustainability accreditation across a variety of topics, I'd also be interested in understanding what views about the potential opportunities in terms of accreditation are as well, thank you.

9 Better Homes Hub

10 Mass Transit Sustainability Strategy

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:14:29

thank you Stacey, and thank you for being quite so responsive given I've skipped an item on the agenda and Don gone straight on from the natural England to Item 10 apologies for that and have to say officers should not be so polite and should say to the Chair Chair I think you for jumped an item but we're here and will carry on with with with Item 10 and then go back to 9 if that's okay, for those who are not quite so familiar with the concept and history of mass transit, I think it might be helpful just to say little bit about.

the concept and perhaps some of the models elsewhere in Europe, for example in Dublin and so on, in terms of this early stage of thinking about what this beast mass transit is now don't know Stacey, if that's your Liz in terms of just thinking at this early stage, it's almost conceptual and design stage in terms of understanding what this is for this committee purposes in terms of therefore then going on to really try and understand some of the sustainability issues around mass transit and I think we can take it as a given.

that you know a green energy efficient or decarbonise mass transit system is generally a thing that is good for the climate. I think we take that as a given and where now are those very early stages in terms of design funding, all of those kind of things? So really the question is at this very early stage of what are some of our initial thoughts about sustainability, but due dwellers want to just say a little bit about what mass transit mock mass transit is yeah so I

Stacey White, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:16:25

think the first point I want to make is that mass transit is only effective and efficient if it works as part of a wider, integrated public transport offer, so mass transit work needs to work collectively away with bus, for example, it needs to work effectively with with active mode of travel as well, and it needs to be part of the subtle, wider agenda, our ambition to to protect journeys away from private car, which will ultimately lead to a benefit in terms of, can impact

so I just said we were working hard behind the scenes in terms they're developing the business case far from asset transfer, it's the very early stages we've developed a mass transit vision and that's been out to public consultation which sought assets the strength, strategic ambitions for for for mass transit in terms of a West Yorkshire prospect and we've also recently adopted an approach to place making and design philosophy approach for mass transit that really sort of pictures, mass transit in in from a perspective of it being a people and prepper place-based prospect rather than just a transport intervention. Obviously, it's gonna work effectively as a transport and intervention, but we're really interested in in what the wider benefits and opportunities are, so the place-based benefits and opportunities and from a climate perspective,

as you said, if, if we deliver a agreeing system that is is respectful of the environment, the bill it's then and also leads to benefits in terms of reductions in carbon emissions, for example. Then it's gonna benefit our people and places as a result of that, so what we're trying to do through development or sustainability strategies is really to to set some clear sustainability outcomes for mass transit so that we can use them to drive everything that that we're doing in terms of programme development activity, but also so that we can be measured against them as well. So when we look back when the first phase as operator and we can look back to this strategy to say OK, what with what we're trying to achieve through a sustainability strategy and have we achieved those ambitions, I think this that are all feasibility works really in part, and in terms of the setting, the tone of what we try trying to achieve and then ultimately so that we can be measured against that those outcomes further down the line when we've got an operating world-class system,

thank you comments, questions.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:19:05

Gideon and then Jack.

Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 1:19:17

thank you very much, it looks really useful and harmful.

I note that there is actually a consultation out at the moment on the mass transfer and, to be honest, I started to download some of the documents and open them up, it is a minefield, it is not easy for anyone to pick up and just go and make comments on it, so I think we need to be conscious of that for the general public because it it's gonna take a lot of wading through it if you've not been involved with it.

on this I think you've got a really good job on the sustainability accreditation side of it and where you're starting from there's a few things I'm I'm a an accreditation geek so sorry about that, but if you want some help with that, I'll happily give you some thoughts, but I did notice in in the documents yeah, you've got some ISO standards that you can very easily pick up. You mentioned past 20 at 2080, but you've also got the greenhouse gas emissions 14 0 6 falls. You've also got for your procurement, you might want to think about 24 pounds or 2020 400, which is about sustainable procurement, and so there's other things that we can add into this one building to it as well. I think that would make it even more robust. Thank you. That's very useful,

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:20:47

getting thank you cheque, thank you. Chair guidance already made the comments I intend to make about consultation, which I I concur with. I think the only remark from me is to check whether or not

Cllr Jack Hemingway (Wakefield Council) - 1:20:54

the government or the FDA have been in touch following the prime minister's commitment to build the Tramp in Leeds with regard to how much funding they might feel keen to receive this project.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:21:10

and we're not necessarily going to get into the politics of a notice, is re-announcement, so you turn some things, but we won't lose the opportunity, trust me, Councillor, we will not lose the opportunity to push the case for West Yorkshire from this committee and from others there's no question of that yes, Ms

thank you, keeping momentum going with the projects is really welcome, so probably might say too much more on that, just to say on the

Liz Hunter - 1:21:38

consultation, so just be really clear, I think we've got a couple of things out at the moment, so on mass transit which is,

the or the the kind of physical infrastructure that we're going to be putting him in place, and my understanding is dated but do correct me if I'm wrong, so we've had a consultation fairly recently and the Combined Authority at the last meeting adopted and agreed the mass transit vision which is which is great and we're now planning for future consultation and take on board your comments, the consultation that's out at the moment around bus franchising,

which is related to mass transit but is different because of the bus franchising is about the relationship we have with the bus network and the private sector, so just to be just to be super clear, the two are related, but for different.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:22:31

Adam thank you, I just wanted to check, is the mass transit strategy

Adam Ashman - 1:22:35

within region, or does it cover commuting out or heading out of region as well?

I think that's a really valid points in terms of the the the mass

Stacey White, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:22:44

transit vision it is restricted to West Yorkshire, however, in terms of the the potential patronage and the flows of people our ability to to draw patronage from outside of the region that's very much built into the the transport model in that that sits behind the

the the processes that were being talked about in terms of business case development, we will need to demonstrate to Department for Transport and the Treasurer that we've got the commerce, customers, father transit system and actually understanding the region, and now it how it operates and how it pulls in visitors from outside the region that potentially will use the systems an important part of that jigsaw.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:23:40

thank you all, and we look forward genuinely to seeing this unfold ready as a group of councils and as the mural authority, I hope I'm alive to see at the point where it is finished and travel on it shortly. I'm sure it will be, but I think it's important that this committee has a regular update or maybe irregular, update when there is something to report in terms of the way things are moving. We really want to to basically make sure that where we're travelling in the same direction and key issues are picked up. Thank you very much Stacey

9 Better Homes Hub

and now, if committee and officers will bear with me, we will go back to Item 9 better homes hub, and if officers could try and keep me more on the stage straight and narrow from now on, please write item 9 Nadia thanks Chair and suggested the brief introduction to this paper,

Nadia McPhereson - 1:24:37

so the purpose of the report was to provide committee with an update on the better homes hub which is a programme you've heard about a few times now.

and also to seek input on two business cases which have been submitted as part of the programme, so these are the Cotterdale area based scheme and the low interest retrofit loan, so we're really keen for committee members thoughts on two things, firstly, how we can ensure quality of install installation through the low interest loan whilst not placing a significant burden on residents, that's something that we've been thinking about and would be really keen on people's thoughts if happening, and secondly on the mechanisms that could be implemented to ensure seamless offer between the two projects for the Area based schemes and the low interest loan if it would be useful, I'm happy to give a quick overview of the low interest retrofit loan and then also separate an arepa here and will answer any questions that people have.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:25:42

looking round good, you can I just check in the paper in 2 17, you're

Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 1:25:49

talking about it took about two through, but the energy efficiency, what we're actually talking about with energy efficiency, we including renewable energy in that as well, because it seems like,

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 1:26:06

the amount of money in the pot and the ambition is is fairly low in comparison to sort of 18.3 3 a year repeated the amount of loans that were giving out for that and appreciate money's tight, but 16,000 probably isn't gonna go too far if you want heat pump plus a lot of other things to.

thank you.

thanks Gideon, yes, so this is a scheme where I guess.

Nadia McPhereson - 1:26:32

people are able to decide what measures they install, so in terms of eligibility we are open to insulation, thermal efficiency, renewables that you say, solar heat pumps, all of the above, really, ultimately it's going to be is gonna depend on each house so the circumstances, the priorities of the individual homeowner I am so in terms of modelling for this project to come up with the kind of estimated benefits we have had to make some assumptions.

so for that we've assumed an average loan value of 16,000 pounds and for that so we've got watermen involved to do the modelling, and I can't remember the exact details, but it was something like a soul, solar panel system, plus of insulation. They looked at a few different options, kind of what you could get 16,000. Ultimately, the minimum loan is 5,000 and the maximum is 25,000. So there is some variation and that we've just had to kind of make an assumption in order to do the modelling for this. Can I just pick up, sorry, can I just pick up on them

Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 1:27:33

does that get infringed by government grants as well, so there's seven and a half thousand pounds for a heat pump at the moment, I know state aid type things have always got in the way of this kind of thing and then you can't have one and the other so I was just wondering if you could maybe comment on that.

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 1:27:51

yeah, thank you so in my mind and please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm

Nadia McPhereson - 1:27:57

saying anything out terrible is there any more than anyone else, but there's nothing stopping people from combining the two so state aid comes into effect where we are dealing with the private landlords and in that instance we basically just have to make sure that.

landlords are not receiving over 300,000 of total state aid in three three consecutive years.

so there will be a process in place to make sure that we are complying with state aid for private landlords, but in terms of the owner, occupiers and the landlords of all the state aid complies, there should be nothing stopping people from kind of doing both.

thank you, Martin.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:28:36

thanks Marie.

is the the the the terms of the loan offered, is it these are planned

Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership) - 1:28:43

to be a repayment loan interest, only low presume it's gonna be secured against the property as it and things like that just just because that's going to affect the take-up.

and second question is, are you in terms of offering the loan, are you going to try and?

Paul policy you, you mentioned that the people will be able to choose what A N measures they installed, but are you gonna, try and kind of adopt supposed to good practice in terms of fabric, first and or measures which not only improve energy efficiency and therefore could be taken as comfort dividend?

over and above actually reducing carbon emissions, so you know encouraging incentivising low-carbon heat, for example those kind of things like smart and yes out on the interest rates, so it's 3 point

Nadia McPhereson - 1:29:34

to 6% that is repaying the loan and with interest on top and said that the idea of the project is that as loan repayments come in, there can be recirculated and then we can give out more loans to more people, so ultimately we start off with a 1.5 million loan puppet we end out or end up giving out about 3.2 million.

of loans, because, as they group, those repayments come in, we give out more loans in terms of the secured or unsecured, so it is an unsecured loan switch they take out.

the model, the Land Allergy use as they take out title restriction on the property, so there's nothing stopping anybody for them, putting the house up for sale, for example, it's just that if that does happen in vandals you get notified by the solicitor and then obviously we'll try and recoup the balance left on the loan as part of the house sale.

and on the fabric versus really interesting, it's one of those that we would love to push it, so it's one, it will be part of the conversation with the individuals will recommend fabric, first, we'll recommend people get a retrofit assessment.

but ultimately, people are gonna be able to make the the remote their own minds up, so I think once we've got the one-stop-shop in place, this is kind of going slightly ahead of the One Stop Shop.

and once we've got one-stop-shop in place that will be very much part of the journey until that stage, I think it's it's a recommendation.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:31:04

thank you, I've got Sara Katie and then back to Gideon and Scott.

thank you Chair, it's Lincoln into some of what Martin was asking and

Cllr Sarah Ferribly (Bradford Council) - 1:31:16

I know L it's a low interest rate and what's affordable to quite a few of us round this table may not be quite so with the cost of living crisis, so someone may actually take a loan now they're able to afford it in the circumstances changed and I just wondered what timeline periods were for repayment.

one is that dependent on the size of the loan.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:31:49

I'm good to take, I'm good to take those three questions, comments together and then come back to the officers, so Katie next, thank you them, mine was about in 2 20, you say that the loan will be part of a menu of finance options and I wondered what other finance options were part of that.

Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 1:32:14

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:32:18

thank you and I've got Gideon next and then Scott get in yeah, a quick corner, think similar to the financial.

Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 1:32:24

how do you how do you make sure that's gonna get paid, but I was also

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 1:32:31

wondering if you're looking at warranty bank guarantee schemes or anything like that, but which are typically in the renewable sector we had when we were running the ombudsman when I was running the MCFs sic scheme thank you Scott.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:32:47

thank you, yeah, for them is not to mention that, and obviously we are

Cllr Jenny Kent - 1:32:52

pleased to be progressing the region's first area-based scheme, unknown goods, to be picked out there, and I guess look forward to sharing findings which will be helpful for everyone and as well as that sort of innovate UK research project on various to retrofit as well I think will hopefully provide some important learning.

the that we can share on that as well.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:33:18

thank you. I'm going to us are Adam Innellan, good test the officers to do a quick roundup to finish the item. Thank you. Thank you I just

Adam Ashman - 1:33:25

in the paper in 2.2 5, you talk about the the the quality aspect of the installations, and I just wondered if this is an opportunity to provide a support to people who are undertaking this as a project, so it daunting bringing someone into a house to do a lot of work. Is there a way that you could offer a local trusted Mark, so an insurance of the the programme through delivery

right over to you Nadia, thanks to charmer, best sort of just on this

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:33:58

down. So in terms of how affordable the loan is as the loan, I guess was the first question. I believe, so we're very aware that this way to be attractive or viable for everybody, we're looking into kind of

Nadia McPhereson - 1:34:11

test viability. Now is there interest out there for people to borrow money, to retrofit their homes, and so it probably is quite a niche segment of the market, people that are thinking about retrofitting the home probably already quite motivated, but don't quite have the money so where, then, if we partner with Land, Allergy, I should say because we are looking at an alternative, open procurement and what they tend to do is they'll have a conversation with people about their situations and circumstances, and sometimes it might be the loan, isn't the best and thing for them, in which case they get signposted to the local authority for grants, for example,

in terms of how, long as the length of the loan switch 10 years as the standard length of loan, however, there will be an opportunity for people to repay sooner if they're able to with no additional charges, the financial options, so we're looking to partner with the Greek Finance Institute and to explore other, more innovative options, such as property linked to finance climate bonds, things like that, and so will definitely be able to come back with some more information on that it's very early stages at this stage.

them in terms of warranty back schemes, happy to have a conversation with the offline video because I am not sure I fully understand that when it sounds like you've got some experience in that, so let's pick that up.

and then in terms of quality, that's yeah, something we've been thinking a lot about, because as part of the One Stop Shop, we would like to help people through that process as desks. Definitely part of the the kind of purpose of the one-stop shop and creating a trusted supplier list is top on the agenda and we are going out with this slightly ahead of our plans for the One Stop Shop, because that is a big project and we're going through a consultancy piece of work with the energy saving Trust, so it's kind of a chicken and egg situation at the moment, so what we're hoping to do is

sort of signpost people to things, existing mechanisms like trust mark MCFs, that guidance already mentioned, and because there are some good ways for people to find quality contractors that were already existing in the marketplace and then long term, as he said, kind of help people and guide people through that process.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:36:28

Gideon, yes, a quick one, just for good, can I am aware that the likes

Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 1:36:33

of M S yet and the other.

the other parts of this, it's the big companies now that are surviving this, a lot of the small companies have gone out of the industry and if we, we should understand how many we have in this area as well, and whether we need to nurture them back into it as well because I think there could be a dearth of people if we're not careful,

thank you, thank you for that cuisine.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:37:06

in terms of what is required further from this committee, having had that initial discussion and the points that the officers are taking away, I am clearly disappointed about seeking suitable accreditation, and thank you to Gideon in particular for his help there.

and that overall, I think we're hearing from the committee that the endorse endorsed the approach I don't know.

Martin anything further, to add from your perspective, not thank you.

and

I don't think there's anything further to add on that particular item, not Luscombe, OK, thank you very much, we're going to move on then to the next two items 11 and 12, and I think James you have stepped into the vacancy left by illness and are going to talk to us about electric vehicle infrastructure and then we'll move on to air quality thank you.

thank you very much, John, and deal with the electric vehicle infrastructure paper to begin with.

Mr James Nutter - 1:38:13

it is a fairly broad paper this paper.

10 Mass Transit Sustainability Strategy

11 Electric Vehicle Infrastructure Strategy

others to write the electric vehicle infrastructure strategy and that will be part of the new Local Transport Plan which will have adopted in 2025.

in paragraph 2.9 you got this draft principles for this new strategy, working with university release to identify where broad charging location infrastructure is likely to be, it has to be targeted.

off street parking, but nothing is set in stone at this stage, it is very much a work in progress, so we're very much at the formative stages of this.

we're also working to promote the use of renewable energy sources for charging points, is worth noting, and working closely with our District partners to overcome the challenges of on street parking and

say Wirral to ensuring that we develop the right terms to work effectively with the market, to both accelerate delivery, but also prevent market failure, because I think that's a potential risk of of no, so picking off the sort of the the perhaps wealthier areas and leaving other areas behind so preacher. That's a bit of a general overview of the paper, but I'm happy to try and answer any questions or take points away, chair

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:39:45

thank you, and it's a rapidly changing landscape and in some ways relates to previous things that we've we've discussed and apologies for the microphones understand from officers that there's a problem with some of the microphones, so you are fading in and out there slightly James but we got the gist and we've got the paper in front of us any comments on this update on EV charging for the thoughts and good sic Scott and then Gideon, thank you, I mean only briefly to

Cllr Jenny Kent - 1:40:14

endorse really the the sort of direction of travel, but looking back to the monitoring indicators earlier and where it mentions EV just bearing in mind that we are managing the spread,

and the deployment of the charging to make sure that those places that are down in the court and court rankings do get up to speed when it comes to quality, quality and quantity in terms of the infrastructure elsewhere in the sub-region.

getting.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:40:47

the thanks I've got a few comments, one I haven't seen anything in here about.

Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 1:40:51

about work charging stations and how that's going to influence it, not everyone's going to need on-street parking, in fact I'm very against on street parking, I do a lot of work in EV charging.

and the reason being that there's a lot of other cars out there and there could be fighting for those spaces so hub charging, things like that might be a better way of doing, I'm not saying it's not right for everybody but it's certainly an issue that we've seen in some places, so I'm just wondering if, in terms of the numbers that are that are in here how that actually fits and what the relationship is with this item and item 11 when you get to it

but also the space size needs to be appropriate for the vehicles and accessibility as well, and has been quite a bit of difficulty with that.

in some places, so just a thought for you.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:41:55

thank you, I'll just take Martin before we come back to James thank share its current from your well. It is only on on-street parking ish,

Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership) - 1:42:01

charging issue, but not really from the perspective of publicly provided charging points. It's more from the perspective of people using

proprietary chat.

channels for cables to run from their house, so you know you don't have to have a private driveway to have a private supply to strategic art now, Fisa I know that's a planning issue and a highways issue.

but then so things like dropped, curbs and things like that and we've been doing those for years, I don't see why we couldn't.

but there's nothing in the paper that seems to be promoting that as part of the solution which, for me, I think, is partly because I think it's still the case that we pay 5% via VAT on our private energy supplies, but on any commercial electricity that we put into our cars we pay 20% VAT so it's fundamentally more expensive to to charge a car at a public charger than it is on private one.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:43:08

thank you will have this effect I I did I didn't know, and I think you rightly raised the issue that we've got, particularly in West Yorkshire, in our post industrial heritage, in terms of terraced houses.

streets which have to be used, which have to be shared by people with.

mobility difficulties wheelchairs, bookies, et cetera,

on that question of of channels and so on is a real challenge to us, actually at a particular point about the VAT and the public charges, but actually public charges must be an answer in some places and are those of you who are sharp.

listening will have had a faint Scottish Torn in my accent and I'm very impressed by some of the experiences in Scotland, particularly in places like Dundee, where they have an Street.

EV charging just everywhere outside tenement buildings, and it's just a matter of fact everybody just accepts that one, and of course you've got you get rid of the problem of trailing trailing wires into two tenement flats since none so I think there is a lot we can learn about the use of the public realm in particular pavements, and I think what you say about

thinking about the way in which we tackle dropped kerbs and disability issues is quite an interesting model to follow and good to come back to James know to round up the item that were, I think just noting and I hope he can hear me a bit better now I'm sorry first of all thanks

Mr James Nutter - 1:44:45

very much for leaving, but I think if we're not doing so already we would probably need to reach out to colleagues on the committee to to to ensure we're getting the your input for the strategy.

so thank you for that and we will, we will make sure we do that through governance services and secondly, I perhaps conflated the two separate issues in the paper. First of all, there's the strategy and the second is the nothing is called the levy funding, which is the the the funding which has been allocated, probably with a small aid to West Yorkshire, which will have to may make a proposal and make a bid for it, which comes with certain strings attached. So I do take all the comments on board are really helpful, but I think there are certain things that we have to include in the the levy bid which already given to us. So, but yet, certainly welcome colleagues input as we develop the strategy further, so thank you

thank you, James, and it'd be interesting to hear what other combined

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:45:47

authorities who, in this particular space, are saying in terms of their particular issues in their places, actually be interesting to just compare where we all are a future updates, thank you very much, so that's no teat and we'll move on if we may to item 12.

12 Air Quality

air quality, and I think that's you again James, it is yeah so by way

Mr James Nutter - 1:46:15

of a brief introduction and the general thrust of this paper is basically the sort of saying that the West Yorkshire Low emission strategies come to an end or come to the end of its life and the West Yorkshire Low emission Strategy delivery group through a mouthful is doing more work now but focused much more on particulates.

and that's in preparation for a new air quality strategy for the region at a national level, recent government study, work and data has found that actually only about 12% of particulates, particularly particularly P M 2.5, comes from road transport, so as part of the West Yorkshire Local Commissioning Strategy delivery group we're doing more work on this to understand it the wider sources of particulates in West Yorkshire and that will be wrapped up into a new air quality strategy so,

again, this is really an update on the work to develop a new air quality strategy with a focus on particular chair.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:47:19

thank you, that's very interesting and does add to our knowledge, I was particularly interested in the two Leeds universities and the work that they're doing on that, Neil.

just wondering if that was a new strategy and the focus on a

Mr Neil Whalley, Advisory Representative (Northern Gas Networks) - 1:47:31

particular matter is at something to include in the analysis of the indicators that we talked about earlier.

James

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:47:43

I don't think you were here for that discussion, but we looked at the state of the region, indicators and people were commenting on the existing indicators and the methodology, and the suggestion is maybe this is something we could look at in terms of further indicators to look at it in a dashboard set of arrangement I don't think James or Liz if you want to comment.

Mr James Nutter - 1:48:10

what would seem very sensible ramp up a problem is, I'm not an expert on air quality, but I'm I I would have thought there'd be a number of indicators, but this we've met at 1.00 of them so.

yeah yeah, Will I recognise that Peter had to go but will pick up with Peter about what's available I think we do already do some of these,

Liz Hunter - 1:48:26

but we can certainly, particularly with the new strategy, we ought to look at what's part of that and then what this committee might want to see.

right of Scott.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:48:41

and then Jenny and Sarah yeah, thank you, and I'm very much linked to

Cllr Jenny Kent - 1:48:46

the previous one. Although eBay isn't gonna be a panacea for all our quality woes, what we, what we should be mindful of doing is not just waiting for policy to sort of catch up with this and provide us all of the solutions. It's not just about electrifying. The fleet is about providing modal shift options for people and is I'm sure, while different local authorities are delivering, come, action plans or whatever vary in different degrees, there is things that we are within our scope and then there are very much things that are that are out of our gift and transports a big sort of part of that. So I guess really looking towards some quite sort of bold, innovative ways to do that. That just don't rely on other sorts of policy areas, and some of that might be nature restoration so that might be planted in biodiverse in that game, projects, but actually also what we do need as authorities is a real conversation on hierarchy of road use

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:49:46

thank you, Jenny yeah, thank you and I don't know if this is under this might be follow on and.

to find what Scott saying because you are under transport, but I wondered if you also looking at

or other sources of emissions which affect air quality, particularly small particulates such as heating and domestic cooking appliances, and also whether you're looking at indoor air quality, which

very little work is currently being done, but is significantly damaging to public health.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:50:15

think Johnny Sarah yeah, I mean obviously in Bradford with done quite

Cllr Scott Patient - 1:50:18

a lot of work on this, and I just wondered if you'd linked into the

clean air to an umbrella for Council and also Birmingham Bradford who have been looking at particular matter and they are all for outcomes linked to children are babies and children, because some of the data that they've got is the shows that particular matter transfers through the placenta through pregnancy into the unborn child and they've got quite a lot of information around the area.

thank you, Sarah Vaughan, Bradford, fantastic project, you must be

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:50:52

very proud of it, Katie and then Jack my question has already been asked, because I was just going to inquire about whether indoor patsy

Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 1:51:01

killers were within the scope of this, though it can.

Jack

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:51:08

extra year. Just gonna follow up on what Scott said earlier in terms

Cllr Jack Hemingway (Wakefield Council) - 1:51:12

of that equality, and particularly the atmosphere so directly. We do not control thinking of my own area and probably West Yorkshire more broadly, in terms of the motorway network, we know that is a significant contributor to poor air quality. I just wonder why our relationships like with Highways England, how we're working with them on that agenda is the scope to work with them on landowners along the motorway network more closely to get some more tree planting done to look at things like Sheffield, if got a reduction motorway speed in that section of them one, for instance, to improve air quality, what's the scope for closer working around on the highway network and the motorway network in particular

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:51:50

thank you, James, you've got quite a lot to go away at with there.

I wonder if you could just give a few responses and then attempt to move us on on the agenda, OK, but first of all thanks very much for

Mr James Nutter - 1:52:02

your for your inputs, so in terms of the the broader look at the determinants of equality, I think from when standing of the paper is that the work with the universities and with districts is looking in the round is not just about transport, it's across all areas of the economy I guess.

we previously picked out transport for an obvious reason, I guess today and but we can certainly take that away and I can confirm and can confirm perhaps via governance services I think the Member mentioned about this with links with the clean air team in Bradford I I think I know we are working closely with them, I'm not I'm unaware about the link with the Bowling Bradford project but again we can update them away and confirm.

I think the terms of the links with with Highways, England, I think there's clearly we do have a relationship with them. I don't know what the state of that is be, to be honest, one week's rain to my new role here, so I'm sure the scope to to them to to, to improve and and continue to work closely with them, and, I would say the points about modal shift and and transport policy. You know that that's one of the major functions of the Combined Authority and the local transport authority, so it's it's ultimately within it will be working collectively on the new Local Transport Plan over the coming in and we're doing it now, so there's lots of scope to be

imaginative and ambitious.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:53:39

thank you, and thank you very much, James for standing in there, David one last word on this up and Katie.

David Owumi (Private Sector Representative) - 1:53:52

so, thanks to your ball, was an indicating to speak yeah.

as I was just going to ask the question about whether indoor

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:53:58

particulars are within the scope of this work.

I don't know, but I'll find out.

it.

13 Project Approvals

Mr James Nutter - 1:54:09

we'd like an honest answer here, actually thank you very much for the

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:54:13

committee are asked to note the work that is underway and we look forward to having that coming back to this committee, so I'll move on to the last substantive item on the agenda.

and that's the project approvals item, and I'm good to ask Alison to stand in for no, I think, the officers doing a tremendous job at the last minute here, Allison, thank you Chair so as you know this committee is has delegated decision-making authority so investment decisions relating to priority 4 of the West Yorkshire investment strategy tackling the climate emergency and environmental sustainability come to this Committee for approval where possible, so

Ariba Rashid - 1:54:56

this report seeks approval for a change request to an existing programme. It's the Net Zero regional accelerates a programme, so the Committee will be familiar with it with the programme. Progress is regularly reported in the pledge update paper, which is the standing item. Next on your agenda. It's a flexible revenue programme. It

Alison Gillespie, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:55:15

allows investment in Net Zero projects, often at really early stages of development, to move them forward. So the current programme funding runs to March 2024 and all of the funding that has been made available has been allocated, so the programme budget was 960,000 pounds. The funding has been used to fund a senior officer post in the Combined Authority that Officer provides advice and support across the region on Net Zero projects. It's also been prioritised for projects relating to decarbonisation of energy and buildings, which are two of the sectors with the highest carbon emissions in the region. So the report lists the projects that have benefited from the funding already at paragraph 4.1 1 so today we are seeking approval to extend the programme from March 2024 to March 2027, so an extension of three years, and we're seeking approval to increase the programme budget to just over 3 million, so 3.020 million pounds. We've engaged with local authority partners and confirming a continued strategic need for the programme. We're still finding that in some cases, projects are not developing at the pace that we need to meet our Net Zero 2038 target. So this is a market failure issue and that's noted in paragraph 4.1 5 so the paper states that Local Area energy planning is underway and that will generate a pipeline of projects. Calderdale councillor is the most advanced with that work and the paper also notes that Huddersfield District energy Network sorry district heat energy network will be supported by the programme, so that's a project that seeks to further develop the use of low carbon heat from the energy from waste plant in Huddersfield through its commercialisation phase. So the Combined Authority at their meeting on the 12th of October delegated authority for this programme to this committee. It's referred to as the scheme in the report, just for the avoidance of doubt?

and the programme benefits and outputs are listed in section 4.2 0 so paragraph 4.4 5 sets out the recommendations which I will go through, so we are asking that the committee approve, subject to conditions, the change request to extend the scope of the Net Zero regional accelerator scheme to change the total scheme costs from 960,000 to 3.020 million and to extend the scheme's delivery timeframe from March 24 to 2027 and approval to the combined authorities contribution delegation for approval for any future grant funding arrangements and associated development funding.

to the director of policing environment and place, which is this Hunter, and then future approvals are to be made in accordance with the Assurance pathway and approval route outlined in the report, this will be subject to the scheme remaining within the tolerances set out and, where required, any future Committee level approvals are delegated to this Committee so,

that was a bit of a mouthful, but I'll pass back to you Chair and happy to take any questions.

thank you, any Christians, for awesome.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:58:18

getting sorted, we took your law.

Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 1:58:26

the item on Huddersfield district energy network, two things I want to

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 1:58:32

raise, the one that has just been announcement by the government, that all energy from waste plants will need to be CCS going forward and it's almost impossible to think a from a geographic location and also from a financial one to make these things work, so I think we need to think about that very carefully.

on that part, for the other thing is that I don't know what they're doing after 2037, but certainly a long time ago they were talking about going back to gas again, so I'm a little bit concerned that the you know we know that the waste strategy is changing, we know that the calorific value is is changing in the mix of the materials going into the plants in the first place and so whether these things are gonna be viable going forwards.

is something we need to consider very carefully.

not that I don't support the Butler.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:59:34

it is, but it's a useful reminder really in this volatile political environment that we seem to be in, and that means I've got him, I'm guessing, I'm not seeing lots of hands that people are content in terms of the direction of those.

recommendations, but Gideon gives us a welcome reminder that actually, some of those may have to come back to this Committee for further variations, because it's a fast moving environment in terms of government views on the on these things.

Scott, will you indicate the argument is very brief, the Chair, thank you and.

obviously Colorado's done quite well out of that funding, and we

Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 2:00:20

really appreciate that, probably just worth now in the the Beast, building feasibility work has supported a bid to the public sector decarbonisation fund which which went in which is sort of really positive I just want to check something else with the checks have been called away will be still be caught if I leave

I'm not know.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 2:00:44

listening to yes, we will make any decisions, so this is the only decision could you just hold them to account.

can I t, can I take those four recommendations as one, and can I have an indication from the voting members whether they are content with these four recommendations right thank you very much, you may go Councillor.

14 Pledge Delivery Update

Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 2:01:09

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 2:01:13

thank you, and we move on to the final item of the agenda pledge delivery, update the list.

Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 2:01:23

I, I think we we tend to bring these papers as a as a reminder of f Bielsa's coming on, as well as the the topics that we've covered in detail in the committee, so wow I think we're just happy to take any questions, although most of our team are or are not here so hopefully between Alison and I could get in.

Liz Hunter - 2:01:41

I tells me we got hearing brilliant sorry if there's any questions on that on the papers that are still in and will read, we have a faith.

Katie

Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 2:01:50

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 2:01:54

can can I just raise something on the green skills.

Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 2:01:58

reports that's at the end of our papers.

I read that with real interest and I think the work with young people is absolutely crucial, and we've discussed that at a length at a previous meetings.

Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 2:02:14

but it's a small point, but to me is a very important point that.

I had a good look this morning through the materials that have been released for schools, which I think is is absolutely great, and the first thing you see on the website, when you click on it is a nice shiny video.

great, I'll watch that with interest and every single person in that nice, shiny video is a white man which doesn't really fit with the bit on whatever page that says that Eddie Izzard a really important point and I just think you know people who are sitting there watching that in their classrooms now that's quite an important point that people see themselves reflected in the materials that are shown to them in

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 2:03:04

schools. So thank you, Katie and thank you for looking at those things and the officers and myself will be taking taking that.

Adam

Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 2:03:14

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 2:03:18

Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 2:03:22

yeah, sorry not to no problem, it was on the pathways point. I thought it was, I thought it was really important, the the fact we've got a gap against the ambitions of 2038, and I note that there's nothing to say here other than there's some work to be done between now and a paper coming back in May, which I think is really important. So I'll just I think it's a good thing to do that sort of gap to Clough you know that the figures were

17 to 25% reduction, that we haven't got nailed at, how will you achieve that? So I think it's really important business for this group to to start thinking about some sort of that gap closure, so thank you,

thank you, and that's exactly why Kevin is, is it's it's here as well, because Kevin is going to be leading the workforce on that, I think

Liz Hunter - 2:04:07

even to get to their percentages that where we think we can need to struggle, and so the additional is even is even harder, so we would, I think, through the work that Kevin is going to be leading on the on the pathways this committee over many years has had many debates, those of those of whom have been around about pathways, work and technology choices. So we would really welcome your your your input as we develop develop that

Kevin was anything that you particularly wanted to say about the the the time period of the work and how we're going to involve the committee,

yeah, thanks I mean yeah you quite right, obviously it would be great to have the committee's views on the pathways as it is developed and something to close that 17 to 25% gap, and it is envisaged, visits to the pathways will come back, I mean sort of related to this is obviously the fact that we also need to refresh our climate and environment plan.

because that runs to 2024, so throughout the course of next year we'll be updating VAT and one of the questions that obviously the the pathways of some of the key evidence base for for the CCP for the plan, so as well as kind of updating that what we also need to think about is kind of consultation on the CP. Sort of we're at a very early stage of thinking about what the next iteration of the CP might look like. So I think the report today is, you know, would welcome members' views on if there's any kind of particular consultees. You'd like us to engage, were there any particular kind of way of approaching consultation on the refresh for the plan that would be appreciated, and if it's a bit sort of you know spot at the moment, if you are happy to take comments, sort of later via the Chair, if, if need be,

thank you, Kevin Jenny.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 2:05:47

thank you, I just wanted to pick up on David's earlier point just

Cllr Jenny Kent - 2:05:52

because it's a teepee refresh whether you're considering other gases apart from carbon, so it's a notable lack from York, but because many things quite crucial, but York doesn't have too much of anything we just put your arch larger regions I wonder if that was on your radar.

yes, I think it is envisaged that the pathways will be CO2 e, who knows what they'll be be measuring.

specific, but maybe it's too much detail at this stage just flagging

Cllr Jenny Kent - 2:06:14

that up from David's point, but I think you have specific targets for individual cases, thank you.

thank you.

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 2:06:24

thank you, that's noted.

a k.

thank you for that, and thank you, thank you, Liz and Kevin.

that concludes the business of the meeting, apart from modification of the date of the next meeting, which has not, until February 13 ready, so winter is upon us, and I hope that we all get through winter with or without the flooding, another climate events that we've all had to deal with, thank you very much committee,