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1 Apologies for absence

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Cllr Peter Carlill (Deputy Chair) Transport Committee
Cllr Peter Carlill (Deputy Chair) Transport Committee
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Scott Patient Calderdale Council
Cllr Taj Salam (Bradford Council)
Cllr Colin Hutchinson
Cllr Alex Ross-Shaw (Bradford Council)
Cllr Matthew Morley Wakefield Council
Kerry Peters (Northern)
Darren Allsop (Arriva)
Melissa Farmer (TransPennine Express)
Melissa Farmer (TransPennine Express)
Cllr Peter Clarke
Kim Cain (Arriva)
Cllr Ammar Anwar
Cllr Matthew McLoughlin
Cllr Oliver Edwards
Andrew Fitzpatrick
Mr Mick Bunting, Interim Director West Yorkshire Combined Authority
Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Luke Albanese, Director of Mass Transit (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Melanie Corcoran, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Peter Carlill (Deputy Chair) Transport Committee
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)

2 Declarations of disclosable pecuniary interests

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Cllr Taj Salam (Bradford Council)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)

3 Exempt information - possible exclusion of the press and public

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4 Minutes of the meeting of the Transport Committee held on 27 July 2023

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Item 4 Draft minutes - Transport Committee 7 July 2023

5 Passenger Experience update

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Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Andrew Fitzpatrick
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Kerry Peters (Northern)
Darren Allsop (Arriva)
Kayleigh Ingham (First Bus)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Matthew McLoughlin
Cllr Colin Hutchinson
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Matthew Morley Wakefield Council
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Peter Clarke
Cllr Peter Caffrey (Calderdale Council)
Cllr Oliver Edwards
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Eric Firth (Kirklees Council)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Simon Warburton, Executive Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Kim Cain (Arriva)
George Thomas (TransPennine Express)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Kim Cain (Arriva)
George Thomas (TransPennine Express)
Kayleigh Ingham (First Bus)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Kayleigh Ingham (First Bus)
Melissa Farmer (TransPennine Express)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Kerry Peters (Northern)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Kerry Peters (Northern)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Kerry Peters (Northern)
Cllr Eric Firth (Kirklees Council)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Darren Allsop (Arriva)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Kim Cain (Arriva)
George Thomas (TransPennine Express)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Colin Hutchinson
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Kim Cain (Arriva)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Matthew McLoughlin
Darren Allsop (Arriva)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Kim Cain (Arriva)
George Thomas (TransPennine Express)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Darren Allsop (Arriva)
Kerry Peters (Northern)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Abdul Hannan
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Melissa Farmer (TransPennine Express)
Kim Cain (Arriva)
Kayleigh Ingham (First Bus)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Melissa Farmer (TransPennine Express)
Kayleigh Ingham (First Bus)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Kim Cain (Arriva)
George Thomas (TransPennine Express)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Peter Caffrey (Calderdale Council)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Peter Caffrey (Calderdale Council)
Melissa Farmer (TransPennine Express)
Kim Cain (Arriva)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Matthew McLoughlin
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Melissa Farmer (TransPennine Express)
Ms. Kayleigh Ingham
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Eric Firth (Kirklees Council)
Ms. Kim Cain
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Colin Hutchinson
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Taj Salam (Bradford Council)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Oliver Edwards
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Armaan Khan
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Scott Patient Calderdale Council
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Scott Patient Calderdale Council
Ms. Kayleigh Ingham
Ms. Kim Cain
Ms. Kayleigh Ingham
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Ms. Kim Cain
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)

6 Mass Transit Vision Adoption

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Cllr Matthew McLoughlin
Cllr Oliver Edwards
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Scott Patient Calderdale Council
Luke Albanese, Director of Mass Transit (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Simon Warburton, Executive Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Eric Firth (Kirklees Council)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Abdul Hannan
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Peter Clarke
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Simon Warburton, Executive Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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Simon Warburton, Executive Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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7 Mass Transit-Approach to Placemaking and Design Philosophy

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8 Local Electric Vehicle Infrastructure Scheme

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Item 9 - Local Electric Vehicle Infrastructure Programme

Melanie Corcoran, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Matthew Morley Wakefield Council
Cllr Scott Patient Calderdale Council
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Melanie Corcoran, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Cllr Oliver Edwards
Cllr Peter Caffrey (Calderdale Council)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Peter Clarke
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Melanie Corcoran, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)

9 Project Approvals

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Melanie Corcoran, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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Melanie Corcoran, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Melanie Corcoran, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Melanie Corcoran, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Peter Caffrey (Calderdale Council)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Peter Carlill (Deputy Chair) Transport Committee
Cllr Colin Hutchinson
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Melanie Corcoran, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Melanie Corcoran, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Cllr Scott Patient Calderdale Council
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Melanie Corcoran, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Melanie Corcoran, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Peter Clarke
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Melanie Corcoran, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Armaan Khan
Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)
Cllr Eric Firth (Kirklees Council)
Melanie Corcoran, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Ms. Kim Cain
Melanie Corcoran, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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1 Apologies for absence

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lovely it welcome everybody to the meeting of the West Yorkshire Transport Committee, we have a full house which is nice to see.

I am happy to go round the table and just introduce ourselves, and my name is Susan Hinchcliffe, I'm leader of Bradford and Chair of West Yorkshire Transport Committee,

it's Karl.

Good afternoon Councillor Peter Khalil and Councillor in Leeds, but he was one of the deputy chairs of the transport committee.

Cllr Peter Carlill (Deputy Chair) Transport Committee - 0:00:34

Good afternoon everybody, Councillor Abdel-Hamid, for having a high parking leads

Cllr Peter Carlill (Deputy Chair) Transport Committee - 0:00:40

across Kirklees Council.

in transition,

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:00:44

as I also go to the deputy chair to Cup clubs, who have also got to go through the process yet Councillor.

Cllr Scott Patient - 0:00:55

thank you, Chair, Scott patient Calderdale council member, for the footwork and cabinet member contraption, housing and transport.

Cllr Taj Salam (Bradford Council) - 0:01:05

I Councillor Councillor Lamb, Bradford Council.

and a bus driver.

Councillor Colin Hutchinson from Calderdale

Cllr Colin Hutchinson - 0:01:13

Cllr Alex Ross-Shaw (Bradford Council) - 0:01:16

Councillor Hacksaw, Shaw portfolio, holder for regeneration, planning and transport, and Bradford Council.

Councillor Matthew Moore Lead Cabinet Member for Poleon Highways

Cllr Matthew Morley - 0:01:23

Wakefield Council.

Councillor Mohammed Khan, Wakefield Council.

Terry Peters, regional director for Northern

Kerry Peters (Northern) - 0:01:34

Good afternoon Darren Allsop stakeholder manager for Northern trains.

Darren Allsop (Arriva) - 0:01:39

hi everybody in Keighley Ingham and Commercial Director for First Bus,

Melissa Farmer (TransPennine Express) - 0:01:45

North and West Yorkshire.

I am George Thomas from TransPennine Express.

Melissa Farmer (TransPennine Express) - 0:01:54

hi almost the farmer, regional development management and land disposal.

hi Jane commercial director for recruitment, obviously not.

of the Monaco Council, therefore, a lot like novelty tenancies without borrowing.

the evacuated Councillor Morgan, will you or?

Cllr Peter Clarke - 0:02:16

please get a copy of the Council.

Councillor, I may come back one week.

Councillor Anne Welburn, Marco police Council

Kim Cain (Arriva) - 0:02:26

Councillor Oliver Edwards,

Guiseley

Cllr Ammar Anwar - 0:02:30

and Rawdon in

Leeds City Council.

Cllr Matthew McLoughlin - 0:02:32

Cllr Oliver Edwards - 0:02:35

Councillor Matthew McLoughlin from the Colne Valley ward in Kettley's

and I've run and Fitzpatrick every surgeon and spatial intelligence

Andrew Fitzpatrick - 0:02:41

Manager from the Combined Authority.

however, we want to make one team, interim director of transport

Mr Mick Bunting - 0:02:49

operations and service transformation Combined Authority.

Good afternoon and Huskins and interim director of passenger

Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:02:55

experience and assets of the Combined Authority.

Good afternoon on Luke Albanese on director of mass transit for the Combined Authority.

Luke Albanese, Director of Mass Transit (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:03:03

Melanie Corkman, director of transport policy and delivery for the Combined Authority.

Melanie Corcoran - 0:03:12

and we got there, I'm Simon Watson, executive director for transport

LaFleur, thank you very much, we do have some apologies

which are.

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:03:22

so we, we have apologies from Councillor Hussain, Councillor Kilbane and Castle Williamson,

I said Councillor Roe, as well as of a likely apology today, I think

that's OK. apologies came through to me and I think they will pass through to work if it Councillor Hayden as well, who could make it?

Cllr Peter Carlill (Deputy Chair) Transport Committee - 0:03:39

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:03:45

thank you very much, so we have the agenda in front of us, I think, just from a microphone point of view, when you stop speaking its press the button again because then other people can speak as how it works. we just have to get used to it,

so any declarations of disclosable pecuniary interest for anybody.

2 Declarations of disclosable pecuniary interests

Councillor

Lamb,

those buses mentioned in here and I worked for operator.

Cllr Taj Salam (Bradford Council) - 0:04:10

thank you, Councillor Lamb, declaring that he works for First Bus, but

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:04:17

that is obviously your declaration anyway as the Castle slams, so that's just melts embraces that you mentioned in that thank you very much, and anybody else anything to declare

now.

lovely, thank you very much

3 Exempt information - possible exclusion of the press and public

next item, then, exempt information possible exclusion is present on the site is required,

4 Minutes of the meeting of the Transport Committee held on 27 July 2023

we definitely doesn't think today, or minutes of the meeting of transport committee held on 27th of July,

those are being circulated, a belief was the 7th Joanne Mann.

it was suggested

the escorts, probably on the 7th of July, those are in front of us, is everybody happy with those any comments, questions no,

roughly there is a capacity to correct record, then everybody thank you very much

5 Passenger Experience update

and then we move on to the first item on the agenda which I believe is passenger experience update and Dave Haskins Urban start this off,

and then I think we're going to Andrews it, and then we're going to go to the operators which are very pleased to see here today, thank you very much for coming.

thank you, Councillor Hinchcliffe, I'll I'll introduce his passenger

Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:05:20

experience report, which provides an overview of a number of key topics as set out in 1.2 of the report. in terms of, as you just said, in terms of the passenger satisfaction attitudes, my colleague Andrew Fitzgerald will provide a brief overview of some key findings that we hope will be of interest so, as you said, we've got the bus and rail operators present for this item and the intention is that the two of us will give our overview and then open up to questions afterwards.

ID for the Combined Authority officers or for the operator, and says the expectation is that the scope of questions will largely relate to the information presented in the report, though we do recognise to maybe some wider topics where members may want to probe a bit further and then we will collectively seek to respond to questions in the meeting, though obviously there may be some we have to take away, so I hope you recognise that this may be the case on until the report itself is to note that we in the future we will be looking at how to present the information better as it goes into their support, including what is both useful and important to all of you here, so any feedback on this is welcomed from members

and also, rather than walk through reports sequentially in light of what I've just said I'll cover first will cover rail, then I'll cover bus, so our reference to paragraphs I'm talking about, does it just jump over the place a little bit,

especially in terms of key headlines, in terms of rail network path, network slash patronage

to point 4 of the report onwards, references Naughton's recovery to about two about 83% of pre pandemic levels in terms of patronage as a comparison cp about 75 Elena 85 and cross country about 70% at least station footfall overall is about 63%, although there has been some impact of the strikes in recent months as I'm sure you are aware

in terms of timetable changes.

from northern children to 25 of the report,

there's some timetable changes coming up on the 10th of December, which are limited in terms of number of impacts which are listed in the report, but also they do impact, it's fair to say, despite being limited,

for TP covered in 2 26 on report, the June timetable introduced some additional Sunday services, including a number between Huddersfield and Manchester.

December timetable changes coming up and the intention is to operate a temporary reduced emergency timetable and the principle is to give greater reliability and therefore certainty to passengers

while transplant unit are able to get and get themselves into more stable, stable environment this could be for up to a year a year in length.

this this approach is broadly welcomed by us as it is better for the patch passengers, but there is some wider concern about the mooted proposal of withdrawal of a number of trains or carriages from TP operation, it's fair to say that since this report was published as some additional information was provided at the round last committee in the last few days and Cpl here and they were able to give us a further updated as required when we get answers to questions,

in terms of the rail network as well and punctuality, in 2 35 onwards, there has been an impact due to rail strikes, as stated punctuality for Northern, a slightly down at 81 and a half per cent in CPZ of 69 and a half per cent, and in terms of cancellations Northern has a slight increase at 4.00.4% in CP at 5.00.1%. this is a decreases I said, but does exclude a level of what's called PE coding where trains are out at are cancelled on the day before,

and rail network enhancements in 2 44 of the report. As such, Members are aware. There's a lot of planning going on around the Charles Penang routes upgrade, and a trans Transport and Works Act order has been submitted by Network Rail for the Leeds to Micklefield. Section

Combined Authority are are supportive of the transferring routes upgrade.

I recognise that this will have a number of impacts in coming years, some quite significant impacts, as the work goes on, we are working closely with see. Are you on those impacts, in particular at the moment where buses might be effective, impacted by closures, and we're making sure there's some very clear communication and the timings of disruption

the other element of the report in terms of rail, it's listed in 2 16 on which relates to the recent consultation around the rail station

ticket office closure

this took place over the summer

and was after significant pressure from a public and media wazzocks and politicians sorry was extended

until the start of September,

the West Yorkshire Districts have been involved in providing views on this to the Combined Authority and Transport for the North.

Our position as a Combined Authority is that the information provided was grossly inadequate and it showed little evidence of social inequalities impacts as part of the proposals. it does, as it set out,

have a number of significant impacts for West Yorkshire stations whereby only three of the 19 currently staff stations would retain their ticket office with the sort of sword of Damocles potentially hang hanging over Huddersfield as well on their office this represents, as far as we've established a reduction of about 59% of full-time equivalent staffing Monday to Friday and including reduced hours and the regional nest returns are part of this have launched what's called a pre-action legal process with a view that that what the the consultation is in breach of section 29 of the railways Act

and that that gets quite complicated and legalistic so I won't go into it here but that that is ongoing.

finally, we do understand they've had over 600,000 responses to this consultation, which is the largest ever for this type of consultation, and a transport focus is now collating the responses and due to go back to the train operating companies on the 6th of October, so we will watch this space

moving onto bus. at 2.00.1 of the report highlights, patronage. patterns

and the weekday patronage overall, at the start of the summer was about two thirds of pre pandemic levels within this there is

some variation, such as the adult single ticket sales being higher at 76% compared to about 71% a year ago there may be some impacts of Mayfair's within that as well as senior pass level is steady at about 67%.

in terms of network changes into 11 onwards. the bus services were sustained through an post pandemic by government funding, which is called the bus recovery grant, which was

this has been partially offset now, but what's known as be set, plus the bus service improvement plan plus funding, which has a focus on the protection and reinstatement of services,

and and this recognition that the operators need to adapt their networks to respond to this. because the word partially is important, though it wasn't fully offset in terms of the level of funding that's been made available on a wider point to that, though it's notable that though the bus network has reduced from what it was 10 years ago to about 79% of that of that level in West Yorkshire. This is still a generally more favourable position than in the other authorities as a sort of Combined Authority Ross across Britain, such as Greater Manchester, and this recognises the strong collaborative work that we've been doing this Combined Authority with the operators to sustain this position and a lot of work has been done over the summer that largely logic goes unrecognised to get to that point.

in terms of in terms of wider initiatives around that, the basic work carefully and airline services were introduced on the 3rd of September, and we're also looking at options of a similar nature in the Whitefield area. and I think there's a link to the latest bus service changes in in in in the report as well, my final points around network performance in 2 32, where the reliability and punctuality figures are set out, there's an industry target for 99.5% of registered mileage to be operated and 95% of buses to run on time.

whilst the figures in the report are aggregated, they do fall below these expectations at present, but again we're trying to work closely

Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:13:29

with the operators so that that summarises the first part of the report, I will now hand on to Andrew, who will provide an overview of the purchase passenger satisfaction and attitude elements of the report.

many thanks, Dave I'm gonna, show much screen, hopefully this will appear,

Andrew Fitzpatrick - 0:13:46

so this relates to section 2.5 1 in the report. I've got eight lines are wispy nice, but hopefully give you a bit of a visual flavour of the the results. So every year we undertake a annual public perceptions of transport survey, and that is a representative sample of 1,800 West Yorkshire residents aged 16 and over representative in terms of age, gender, district, ethnicity and disability. So it's a pretty solid sample.

We ask a variety of questions on here, but this survey acts as a barometer for kind of key

strategies, including the transport strategy, including the city region, sustainable transport settlement state of the region as well, which you might be aware of, as well as the bus strategy and the bus information strategy. So there will be some slides here, so we ask here about

yes, everybody about the importance and satisfaction of a range of different measures, the ones I'm showing on screen are affordability of motoring at the top and affordability public transport followed by local bus services. So we can see here that affordability, public transport on a scale of one to tenants and score once 10 has increased. You can see that

that chart and lie on the top right there,

whilst affordability of motoring has or has declined, so it's interesting in relation to the cost of living crisis, what's more challenging here is

the satisfaction scores for the local bus services you can see that as 5.9, where my cursor is, is the lowest it's been since we've been undertaking this survey we're also satisfaction with a local train services has has also has also fallen.

as well as satisfaction we ask about importance, and one thing I wanted to focus on here was

just to give you a flavour of the demographics, underneath the survey is different, respondents, views about the importance of local bus services, so the varies by demographic group so self-reported rated importance is at its highest for its high school for women to support residents who are over 65, it's higher for residents living in the most deprived neighbourhoods, and that's quite interesting because we know that 43% of people living in the most deprived neighbourhoods who don't have access to a car

local bus services important is higher for

residents in full-time education and also regular bus users.

so as well as asking that's important satisfaction of range of different indicators, we also ask about

mode mode, share as well. So here I'm showing the results from a few years ago, in 2019 and 20, alongside the most recent results in 2022 2023, for each of the different moods. The darkest green on this chart shows self-reported use weekly OK. So some key things to look at here, but we can see is that for people who say that they drive a car, at least weekly can see that for pre pandemic versus now it's fairly similar to what it was. However, for those people who reported catching a bus at least weekly the darkest green, you can see a fall from 39% to 31%.

You can also see a fall in people who use a taxi weekly, and this potentially reflects again the cost of living crisis. A fall of 25% of people saying they use a taxi weekly down to 14% train is is very similar to what it was pre, pandemic and and cycling, a lower proportion, but similar to what it was pre, pandemic 2, just to dive into that a little bit further. This next slide here show some detail by at least age group anyway, so the things that are to draw your attention to you on here, it's the same principle again, the darkest green is use self-reported use weekly, so here we can see that actually compared to pre pandemic can see this decline in buses. So if a younger people who use a phrase cautiously 16 to 34 can see a 7% point decline from pandemic, whereas for older people those aged 65, you can see a much higher

proportionate drop, and this aligns with research published by by Transport focus recently if I found that people were taking fewer and fewer leisure trips, so just travelling, which less in general,

and you can also see again the fact that in this case in particular younger people 16 to 34 there's a high proportionate drop in those using a taxi.

so other things we asked about your attention to you on the survey. We ask about confidence, purchasing the best value tickets,

so here top shot, says confidence, purchasing the best value, bus ticket and the bottom chart shows a train tickets, so just to draw attention to bus ticket, we can see is 69% of people reported being either very or fairly confident, buying Best Folly bus tickets, and this is for everybody, entire the entire sample, but actually, if you drill down a bit further, this rises to 85% for regular bus users, people who are using the bus weekly, so it's quite a reasonably high percentage and you can see this uptake now need to be cautious today, but one could attribute that to the potential. You know the intervention of the fare capping work in relation to mayors because they're becoming more confident that those

in buying the best value to get

other elements to look at, and I'm amongst that

is that we measure a range of other metrics and thought this one was interesting to show, so we look at.

people's self-reported satisfaction of purchasing a ticket, the helpfulness of bus drivers, the ticket, price frequency or punctuality so similar to before we've got the darkest colour, there is a proportion who are satisfied, they are the ones who say they're satisfied, and on the right-hand side you can see the percentage point shift from this survey that was conducted pre pandemic 2019 20 so we can see here. 72% of

respondents said are satisfied with the ease of purchasing a ticket, and this has increased by 7% points since pre pandemics. So there's progress there

also notable to say that the majority of people are satisfied with the help and helpfulness of a bus drivers.

the state of or pupils' perceptions about the state of bus stops has also improved by 7% points, what's a bit more challenging is people's perceptions about the frequency of local buses, a 7% point decline in the national share of people who are satisfied with frequency that 36% of people satisfied with with bus frequency.

fusty slides. the things we ask that, our awareness of information sources, we also ask about satisfaction

so similar to before we're showing a percentage points shift and pre pandemic. I thought this was worth highlighting. We've got an increase in the number of people or the proportionate share of people who are aware of electronic displays to the real-time displays at bus stops and stations has been quite significant investment in those also greater awareness in relation to train time. Information was a bit more challenging. Is you see, can it be ranking awareness order, a reduction in awareness of Metroline call centre and and Metro Messenger, alongside this, there's lots more detail in the in the full report that covers satisfaction

last lied from me.

in relation to the the mayor's pledge about the safety of women and girls. For the last couple of years we included a question in relation to confidence in personal safety when travelling on public transport. So this slide, let me break it down, for you shows people's responses in terms of how confident they felt travelling either during the day or at dark on both bus and train by gender. So females are coloured in teal here and males are covered in black, and what we can see is that there is a stark difference between daytime, where my cursor is here via via bus and night-time, self-reported confidence in personal safety, and what I've done is I've overlaid last year's results as the dashed lines you can see where we were last year. So overall there is a is a decline in people's confidence and personal safety when travelling by bus, and that is more extreme. Between the between the two genders. I thought that was worth worth raising.

I put a link to the slides at the beginning of this pack. There's a link in the report. The slot everything here is is published online. If there's any questions, please do either Razón now or afterwards. That's OK J,

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:22:26

thank you very much, Andrew thank you, Dave so we've got operators here today, which is great. Thank you very much indeed for coming and I thought we'd do rail first and then buses, if that's OK, and obviously I know for all of us, we get a lot of comments from residents and businesses, so there were lots of questions we, I'm sure if we can try and keep our questions short and answers to the point. That'd be really helpful because we've got probably quite a lot to go through, so with that advice and shall we start that, we've got a from the rail point of view, we've got

carry pizzas here, from Northern Darren, Allsopp from Northern, please wave,

thank you,

we've got Melissa Farmer from the transcendent Express, and George

Kerry Peters (Northern) - 0:23:07

Thomas from transparent express, persuade thank you very much,

Darren Allsop (Arriva) - 0:23:12

so sort questions, comments for those, I've got Councillor Hutchinson,

Kayleigh Ingham (First Bus) - 0:23:17

I've got Councillor Mallee, I've got Councillor Bolt,

Buckley and McLoughlin.

Thank you

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:23:25

I would really like to thank the Chair and Mayor Braben for the

Cllr Matthew McLoughlin - 0:23:37

strength of representation they made as part to the secretary of State for Transport regarding the

ticket office closure proposals, so thank you very much for that

Cllr Colin Hutchinson - 0:23:50

for the proposal to seek legal,

means to challenge the that the consultation and the proposals, but it was really wanting to ask about the

removal of the Nova over 3 fleet

for what seems to be an indeterminate period of time, as far as I can tell, so I was wondering whether there was any

I can understand that that might be necessary in the short in a very short term, but what is passenger?

satisfaction with and over 3 compared to the other trains that you are having now that you are running because it does seem as if the most popular

rolling stock is actually being put into moth balls,

thank you, Councillor Hutchinson, someone will get through all the

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:24:47

ones that I asked before you bring that to answer Councillor Moore.

thank you, Chair, where it comes down to page 15, to point to five

Cllr Matthew Morley - 0:24:55

shorter trains,

the short route from Leeds to Doncaster where we're losing a carriage on, that is one of the things I do get a tremendous amount, complaints about, especially at the station, looked out what all your car to get on that service, the constantly waiting for another service to come, also that's still crowds as well are we going to monitor that and also who's benefiting from our loss?

Councillor Bolt.

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:25:26

I think share when I frequent complaints on here, that when we're

Cllr Peter Clarke - 0:25:30

doing rail issues, I realise the reports often drafted at least centric. Can we have consideration of the other four local authorities because Grand Central doesn't feature in the rail timetables which just serve the other 4 authorities but not Leeds and obviously as a key service linking not only our communities with Doncaster and London, but with each other on routes not come very be lucky to see that also on rail issues chair

transparent route upgrade is mentioned and were yeah. It talks about a 2.4 9 about mitigation in Leeds. Can we also push as an authority for Network Rail to ensure that when they are doing, works elsewhere, and in particularly I've seen some of the the satisfactory services that they're doing all in Carclaze, when they're suffering active travel corridors without putting in place adequate communications, adequate and equal loop diversions? You know the kind of money in the programme to make sure that active travel is cater for, and that's something which will come up later in the report, I think the officer mentioned slight drop in figures, the media and the report actually says significant drop in figures in some cases with active travel, so when Network Rail are severing routes for long periods, meaning that people can't make those journeys, then it is going to impact on our active travel ambitions.

thank you, Councillor.

Cllr Peter Caffrey (Calderdale Council) - 0:26:57

thank you Chair, I wanted to ask about the patronage levels because

we have here Norton 83% transfer 9 75 all N A are 85 cross country 70%,

and all these figures are really low. compared to 2019 and any business will tell you that the final 10% is where you get all your profit,

obviously,

and in addition to the on page 23.

2 5 8 the proportion travelling by public transport has fallen considerably in this period, and I just wonder whether that can be addressed, please.

Councillor McLoughlin,

Cllr Oliver Edwards - 0:27:45

thank you, Chair yeah, three brief points, the first is on the emergency timetable, the transcendent expressive are putting forward the argument presented to us is that we'll have to put this extreme with a significantly reduced service, but we can make it reliable

we've heard that before from all operators several times before, so my question is what Steph, what's gonna be different this time that will actually make that promise a reality?

yes that cp sorry

just on the web this presented in the report, I'm sure the figures for cancellations and P coding have been presented to us before in table or graph form in the appendix,

and I think I would like to see that it's not in this report for some reason and I'd like to see a return of that because it does make the data easier to understand and it puts it in its longer historical context, we can only go back one survey in this report,

and finally, on the ticket office closure consultation,

grossly inadequate, though it was 600,000, responses is a heck of a lot, and can we have some commitment from the operators that they will actually listened to what was said and change their policy as a result?

Councillor Forster used to indicated that quickly.

manager

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:28:55

there's lots of.

Cllr Eric Firth - 0:28:59

good questions being asked of operators, but I would just like to mention.

lack of it from Calderdale, as I said earlier. I'd like to thank the mayor for what she is doing.

but at the end of the day, it's not the operators at making these decisions, it's the government is making the decision about closing, not least ticket offices, and I hope they do listen to the people, it will be a monumental if they do, but I do hope they'll listen,

I can only give you an example of of Dewsbury station distinction celebrated in 176 years only a few weeks ago.

he's had a ticket office for 175 years, so to World was

and run very successfully over the years has changed with the with the stuff, but nevertheless a ticket office has been up,

and now, thanks to

this government, I think we perhaps because perhaps there is a glimmer of light, I think, the in concept, some Conservative MPs have come out and say this is an absolute nonsense, so I hope that listened to, and I hope that our voice and the pupils' voice are being listened to. Thank you to

you, thank you, Councillor Firth, I think preferably round this table

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:30:15

would agree with yeah. Obviously it's how we discussed at the last meeting I I think we were unanimous actually in writing the letter to express our deep concern at the proposed closures, and so just I'm gonna come to Simon first just to

go to Councillor Bolt, S queries about Grand Central. actually travel mitigations et cetera, and then I'll go to the operator for the questions answered,

certainly, thank you so, or apologies you are quite right, Councillor, we should be including all rail services in the report and will

Simon Warburton - 0:30:47

certainly

I am unsure that that we do that going forwards, Grand Central.

is a real step forward in terms of connectivity within the conurbation, but we need to make sure that it's operated

as effectively as possible. at the issues in terms of impact on active travel routes, this is something that will take away and raise with Network Rail management and look to bring some

our bikes back to you

in terms of their response and in that regard.

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:31:25

well spotted Councillor, thank you very much, and so shall I go to

a lot as a teepee. I think the the the Nova trains, once I don't know whether Melissa or George, wants a address, that, but we are concerned about Nova trains going and never get them back and then having very short carriages, et cetera,

right here, and I'll do I'll do my best, I suppose it was quite a few

Kim Cain (Arriva) - 0:31:44

questions today which touched on the question of question of demand, so I think quite rightly, we were at the moment, we're at a lower base

George Thomas (TransPennine Express) - 0:31:51

than we were before we're before COVID. I think everyone's aware of that. Getting that getting that right is absolutely dependent on getting to a stable or stable position with the timetable customers can rely on, and we definitely recognise that it's not something that we've been providing to die today. So in order to get us out of that scenario, we need to simply simplify the business, and that means taking some some sort of challenging decisions around the rolling, the rolling stock mix, to make sure that small, that's much more much more reliable, and some challenging decisions around the timetable timetable as well in the short in the short term. So to the question of how how can we be confident that that's going to do the do the trick this this this time that's very much being careful carefully designed so we we have enough. We have enough capacity within our result within our resource base to undertake the training the training that we need to complete in order to do a lot of rather reliable. reliable timetable, so we've gone, we've gone through those plans in quite a quite a significant degree of detail, under new leadership from doh all has been been through that, with a with a fine fine-tooth comb. so the simplification of the fleet, as I say, is a is, it is a key, is a key part, key part of that and that's part of the driver for moving away from Nova 3 fleets, and I think has as the Chris Jackson, who is the new new managing director confirmed that the rail Brown author committee last last week

they doubted those trains direct on off. as a result of the lower the lower patronage. They're not loading as heavily as they were they were before before before COVID, so that's between 50 and 60 50 and 60% of the other at the moment, and there re the removal of those trends, represents a relatively small reduction in the overall in the overall size of the size of the fleet. So we have looked at this really quite really quite carefully to make sure that that's aligning to wet demands going to go in the future and that that does not does not see that node those numbers increase increased significantly. And that said, if we can get to a position where we are delivered, we are delivering growth and we're moving towards the transparent route. Upgrade investment there that we are working closely with D F T on the opportunity to provide new trains, which will be able to take advantage of the the new wires, which you can see being invested in across the across the north of North of England, so our ambition, our ambition is really that this is the first step in trying to re regrow regrow TP get the basics right, make sure the timetable is steady and steady and reliable, and we can make the case for that future investment so hopefully that goes some way to answering the questions, but heavily takes more of that's helpful,

I think just just on that last, I think.

what a lot of us would say is a trading hand is worth two in the bush. To be quite honest, so yeah yeah, you're talking about buying more

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:34:36

trains to the future, but we've already got trained at work so we're very worried about letting it go.

Whilst we don't have any guarantee of additional trains being there thought when this period of recovery is over, so I think I I would like, and I'll I'll be writing, obviously to Chris Jackson as well, just to say I'd like to see workings out, as he said, that the grid and the network call that thing that talked about this not graded, A

the the system or whatever they call it

route diagrams through

diagrams, that's what I was looking for, the route diagrams, I would like to see how those works to make sure that we can check the capacity and make sure it fits with the growth that we anticipate, obviously not in the north. We've gone back to the trains in more heavily than other parts of the country. Just wanna make sure that d f t aren't just assuming we will let the south books we have got a pile of demanded PPE and latent demand borough. There needs to be a court backup because people have just not been using trains because of being unreliable, so we're expecting that to come back with abandoned

what else do we have on that list?

there is worried about what's new in this plan, that's not been new before, I suppose that's another question.

what and why, why why why is this plan going to work and others didn't?

sorry so that the current Bromley challenge with faced is around the

Kim Cain (Arriva) - 0:35:59

village to get get through the driver training backlog. We accumulated a through code through COVID,

so we've clearly not been not been able to not been able to be able to

George Thomas (TransPennine Express) - 0:36:06

do that based on that, based on the current, the current timetable. So the objective is to provide alternative, which has capacity to run the running the trains further, to train the drivers on and have enough drivers to be on those training on those training programme. So then we're able to stay at the timetable backup reliably. That is that if the plan, so that is a slightly different approach to what we've seen before. Sorry, so I think I would challenge the characterization of that as an emergency, so it's not. This isn't a a, a quick reaction to try and stabilise something, this is a carefully thought out plan to provide the bat training and give us a stable basis on which to reintroduce reintroduced service frequency.

Kayleigh Ingham (First Bus) - 0:36:50

okay and it's getting countryside into that that we don't have. The

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:36:54

issue of a la feisty Watkin aim for 18 months so that are games

Kayleigh Ingham (First Bus) - 0:36:59

impacting our services, which meant when we did reduce services previously. It was also in response to not having race-day working or

Melissa Farmer (TransPennine Express) - 0:37:04

over overtime, even though that has, since the ban on overtime has since been suspended. That is back

in June

and we got that back. So with having raised the walking back, it has any dust to dramatically reduce our PE coding, which was also mentioned by herself, and so we have seen the immediate impact of that. Since that may see working did come back in into play where you see an increase in PI courts again or the cancellations in eight before. It is absolutely clear. It's the national aim, actually short of a strike which is again, the sharper stroke is lack of nifty working, so we see a sudden increase in pupils because of the national action, but we have addressed the walking back in at TP which has enabled us to reduce the number of died before cancellations. So just going back to the original question of when we reduce services previously, we also didn't have recently working with us this time as that, if it continues to be the band suspended, we will have course slate reduction in services, but we will have raised the whacking available, which means we we should struggle to bundle seriously alive.

There's just a question mark piquant in why it's not in the document

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:38:15

is that is that Azhar is that the operators I don't know where Piccadilly

we. We do have a document which includes details on the P coding.

I didn't include it on the basis of the length of the document to start with, but we can supply that information if, if so, required,

Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:38:30

please let you know,

is something the Mayor is actually holding to account and quite

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:38:34

strongly isn't it

ticket officers as well? I mean the worst 608,000 responses, another that prefects from Northern more than anybody else. Was it really that's mainly your stations that are affected? Do you have any comments to make about 680,000 responses is quite huge, isn't? It really

yeah, I think you're absolutely right, this has been a significant

Kerry Peters (Northern) - 0:38:55

amount of feedback, which has gone through to transport focus, so,

as you know, we're all still in the consultation period, and so we allow in transport focus of time to be able to to read through all the feedback that they've received and ask us of any questions that they've got based around that feedback and we're in a period of responding to that accordingly. as and when those questions come up, my understanding is that the period of time for transport focus to close that down is the end of October and not six now,

so I'll check on that information, but I think it's been extended for a few weeks because of the volume of feedback that's come through to enable, you know a meaningful consultation to take place so that they can make sure that they look over all those points that have been raised.

I think, as Councillor Firth was clear that he sees this as something

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:39:47

that because government are taking the money out, this is what you are having to do, and I think we are certainly putting into a government store in this respect, however, just a little bit concerned about the delay in the decision actually because I know from the question that we had at Rail North, it sounded like the operators were starting to hold back vacancies pending this change, and that is gonna mean that you've got a very fragile ticket office network, sort of sick, you might be closing them more frequently, for example, so I'd like some assurance that we're not gonna see any closures of ticket offices before government change their mind on this budget pressure,

Kerry Peters (Northern) - 0:40:21

so you're absolutely right, there have been some vacancies which have been held

until we see the the broader picture on where the letter will go on, to be able to enable the people who are remaining in our industry the opportunity to be able to have bumpy opportunities to move into other roles. If that's what the consultation comes out with

the we're still moving people around to be able to cover vacancies, so if there's sickness or annual leave on the day we will move people around the cordon, they will have seen

some ticket offices closing, whether it be an AM shift or a PM shift, but that's not our intention, our intention is to absolutely keep those ticket offices open as and when we can,

and can you also redrawing decision by stealth or Councillor Firth?

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:41:05

just a couple of questions.

Kerry Peters (Northern) - 0:41:09

Cllr Eric Firth - 0:41:14

how long does it take to claimed driver and because we've we've had this debate about driver shortages

for a long time now?

and it seems to go on and on and on,

and can I just make a comment.

which really puzzles me, and I know you mentioned rescue, working

for a massive industry,

light rail

to depend on less dear working.

it's actually a nonsense when you work it out, you are you, you employ lots and lots of people, they've got a working week, why if they depend on them to give up, the rest is to continue travelling trains, it's absolute nonsense to me.

thank you, Dr Darren, would you like to carry out his scheme chancer respond, I'm not sure which should be just which they're sorry,

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:42:02

I mean thankfully chat, not

Darren Allsop (Arriva) - 0:42:06

not unusual and the questions, and I think driver training takes approximately two years.

what we've seen is more attrition to other operators, mainly for it within Northern.

is 15 months in a full training programme for a driver at Northern roughly to get them from a trainee to a qualified driver.

I would note his period for Dr is six months.

so when great British rail freight, et cetera are taking on new drivers, they obviously come to the operators for trained drivers, the six-month notice period is great, as you can see, the deficit and the and the difference of year, and a half doesn't allow for that attrition to be really points what's called R and R P Northern

resource plan?

so it is very difficult to plan in advance of what other operators or other freight operators especially are doing, the increasing freight traffic has seen a substantial

drive, a resource need for the freight companies, and they do not often train their own drivers, they come to operators.

and take our drivers, so we roughly 15 15 months train driver, half of that we lose because of the notice period.

Northern corridor have arrest, they're working agreement,

but there's no doubt unsure TP colleagues will will articulate it's very helpful when you've got a training backlog to have that ability for your people to work additional days to aid with training,

thank you tpa did you answer Georgia, Minister?

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:43:45

and safeguards, but I guess the main point to make the move. We

Kim Cain (Arriva) - 0:43:52

already have already spoken about the importance of getting the timetable and the resource plans aligned. So we are able to clear that clear that drain truck training backlog so that that's that's very, very much for with what we're trying trying to do is reduce the amount of strain that we're placing on the on the workforce to to to work and work that work that overtime. As my colleague says, it is. It is very

George Thomas (TransPennine Express) - 0:44:11

helpful if it can, if you can have that flexibility, particularly when you're trying to try to clear the sort of backlog that we're trying to we're trying to manage, but the objective, as I say, as I said earlier, is to is to really is to really fix at this time and make sure that we're on a we've got a manageable trajectory going forward

thank you, Councillor Hutchinson, I think we're done for on rolling,

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:44:32

thank you Chair, obviously with the infrastructure work that's going

Cllr Colin Hutchinson - 0:44:36

on, there's an increased need for replacement bus services to be provided, I have had complaints from disabled residents that the replacement buses are not always wheelchair accessible is there a requirement on the operators to make sure that replacement bus services do allow passengers who depend on wheelchairs to actually make use of those replacements?

Thank the question.

transparency or something on northern,

yes, and so that would be useful to hear about those specific cases,

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:45:10

and we will look into those make sure they sort of the those replays are addressed.

Kim Cain (Arriva) - 0:45:14

She said this should actually be wheelchair accessible should

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:45:18

be some trans provision.

Yeah, yeah,

OK, well, let's Basel. That is a commitment. If there's any secret services that is happening on regular Councillor Hutchinson, can you let us know that it sounds like something that shouldn't happen?

Sorry, I had Councillor Edwards and I missed him, sir

thank you say, a follow up question for both of the train operators,

Cllr Matthew McLoughlin - 0:45:41

how would you characterise industrial relations with the unions at the moment, from your point of view?

and can you indicate what channels you have open from your point of view and from your ends, and also the frequency of meetings with union representatives and staff representatives?

Darren Allsop (Arriva) - 0:46:04

I am happy to take that question for you if you wish chair. the real delivery group are leading negotiations with the rail industry, that's the R and T trade union and as left drivers' union the train operators are not actually sat around the table with the trade unions to negotiate a pay deal, as it has been done so centrally by the Rail delivery Group and we await further information and updates on that disappointingly, I'm sure you've all seen that two more dates have been announced by as left the train drivers' union.

for strike action and again we we know that's going to adversely affect our customers and the the quicker we get resolve for everybody, the better and I'm sure we'd all agree.

attachment management of outside question as well,

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:46:49

and I think I just said that when we meet very regularly on a local on a local level, as I'm sure none of them will do, it will do as well,

Kim Cain (Arriva) - 0:46:55

and you know that

there is an extent to which, as we say, that the national bus conversations are going on, but we're really working really really hard with our local representatives, make sure we're focusing on the issues that then we can weaken and control specifically around the training backlog and all of the other issues I have described

George Thomas (TransPennine Express) - 0:47:12

OK, thank you very much, Councillor Letts thank you for the responses

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:47:16

I mean, I would say that obviously we were very keen for people to use trains more frequently very keen for a cigarette traffic off the roads and to have an efficient service and, of course, the only way to get people back. He is in the train and the buses which will come on to next, of course, is to have regular services that turn up and go to places where people want to go. Well, it sounds very basic, but it is fundamentally what we need are and I'd just encourage. I know you're in the weeds of it all the time I know is you know very difficult times for all passenger transport operators, but just think about the connectivity of your services in terms of levelling up agenda connects with disadvantage routes. We talked at Rail North last week about priorities for public transport and the need for it not just think about going from A to B, but actually connecting disadvantaged people to places with opportunities for jobs, etc and leisure opportunities. It is a very much a service which pumps out prams our economy. It also provides a social leisure and in a health service. If you like, it's across the whole of the north of England and we're very keen to make sure all those points are covered when you're looking at business planning in the future, so think about levelling up, I would say more frequently because some of the services that start to be changed and and cut back do divide communities and it is very detrimental in the long run

with that then Councillor Moulton very briefly because I need to move on to our very patient bus colleagues who've been waiting to be grilled,

sorry, was your question regarding the Leeds Doncaster.

Darren Allsop (Arriva) - 0:48:50

jump to focus on carrying

out tickets.

so I think.

Kerry Peters (Northern) - 0:48:58

we are confident that the services between Doncaster and Leeds 95% of them

will be absolutely no problem, we do acknowledge what you mentioned about the outward services,

so the 7 28 Doncaster to Leeds is a risk service for us, so as a result of that the Nottingham Streethouse leads services in the morning peak will be extended to 4 pounds and will include an additional call at outward. For that reason, to try and mitigate and what we commit to do is to make sure that we continue to monitor those train services as and when they come in as well. I think there was a question earlier about profit, and where are we gonna what we do with a profit, I think we need to make it clear that Northern are heavily subsidised, we don't make profit. on any of our services, so actually any money saved go back to the taxpayer.

and reduce the amount of subsidy that the tax payers pay towards also.

it's not a for profit, it's about reducing costs,

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:50:01

which goes back to the business planning point I made that actually as a as a public service, there is a a service that you need to provide for all communities,

and just because it might not fit on the map, or although to London, absolutely I'll go to London but it led to the main cities, it doesn't really help everybody in West Yorkshire, so we need to be mindful of all communities going forward and PSN is a good point raised there. Councillor Murray, about that service.

right, let's move on to buses.

obviously we've got colleagues here from Arriva and we've got colleagues here from first half we got transferred here now, I'm not seen on the list, request transfer have gone,

I saw them recently,

but anyway so add questions for First and for Arriva can I see hands raised please.

Councillor Hanin for

thank you very much, Chair candidates will then do it for putting the

Cllr Abdul Hannan - 0:50:54

passenger experience together, it's really interesting to see that there is some good news and some bad news,

I want to bring the attention to the satisfaction level of the buses, especially around Leeds where it's 5.9 from town which is very low and the slowest this year.

a question for first is, can you tell us about the current vacancy position positions in your boss, their polls, and is that contributing towards the punctuality and the cancellation of buses in Leeds?

I can see anybody else wanting to go into care in this draft question, so I shall go straight to the answer

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:51:32

Kelly. I think you are all

Melissa Farmer (TransPennine Express) - 0:51:39

that's me, I'm not thank you, M Jep, semi colleagues Holmbridge was due to be here with me today, Hughes, the operations director, so I will take the question away and get you a firmer answer, but why can

Kim Cain (Arriva) - 0:51:48

share with you is that we, we have really stabilised, regards our draft position and that's across our region, not just in the Leeds

Kayleigh Ingham (First Bus) - 0:51:56

Arena. So since April we've had a net gain of 75 drivers, which has drastically improved the position, and we're working on several driver retention and attraction projects. some of which is around our draft duties and shifts, which is the biggest point of feedback that we get from our drivers and in terms of our attraction strategy, there's there's work going in to look at more flexible patterns, which is which is to enable us to attract a different type of driver perhaps than those that we've been able to attract

previously those that that may not be able to.

flex their week week on week, so to come and work for us at First Bus, so we ought to be in a lot of work. We've made some really positive progress in terms of the contribution of that driver position to punctuality and reliability, so I am was was reading through the report and am pleased to say that in the last few months in particular, I know that the the report only covers up until June. The last few periods of our report in particular see sees a good improvement within punctuality and reliability. So our last mileage position is extremely low, I lost, manage regards to driver

absenteeism is extremely low, and so we we have made some some real headway with that and continue to do so. That's not to say that it doesn't remain a priority for us. Just recently, on the 3rd of September, we actually implemented our first

real positive service, changing it in a short while on the back of

changes that were needed to the network and what we've done is put a wholly, I wanna say, a wholly positive service, changing that's addressing punctuality as as a as a challenge across our network, focusing within the Leeds areas in particular, and in the last two weeks since that's been implemented in across some of those routes with similar between 10 and 15% improvement in punctuality, so a real drastic improvement where we've been able to then the resource in the time and the software technology to to those routes given at the time that it's been due now that we're through the challenges that the pandemic and the DSG funding position presented us and really pleased into to be able to to put our efforts into punctuality and a real stabilisation in that respect, rather than looking at withdrawals and changes which is not something that we want to do.

thank you, colleagues, as I was reflecting on earlier, actually that,

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:54:20

nor are we able to say now, then there can be no more cuts to bus services, because that would be really helpful if we consider that, because what we'd like to get to now is growing networks increasing patronage and not having to figure out how to

mend routes to keep people served, so if we can all agrees with no new cuts to bus services that would be super can First and Arriva agree to that.

I can't comment on or if I can pass to him in a second,

Melissa Farmer (TransPennine Express) - 0:54:46

so she's got more time to consider our answer here, what I would say

Kayleigh Ingham (First Bus) - 0:54:53

is that it's not in our interests to cut and change services, we know that it's a huge point of feedback and it's not something that we want to do is it doesn't support us with growing patronage, which is the first key goal for any bus bus operator, so we are absolutely working towards getting to the position that you mentioned Chair and

so bear with us, please. Whilst whilst we get there, we're working really close collaboration with Combined Authority, colleagues, and I think we've we've made real headway with the collaborative efforts in the last six to 12 months, in particular in planning for service changes, ensuring that we're listening to the district leaders on the asks of constituents and trying to respond to those as best we can whilst bearing in mind that the sustainability of the network relies in some respects an unprofitable services.

Thank you

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:55:42

yeah and I share the sentiment you know we reactively are trying to grow the market trying to to make on it work bigger again, which is really pleased in place to finally have got to

we do still have a couple of roots of concern, but I'm very optimistic that with the colleagues of the combined authority will be able to find solutions to those

and as I say, we are looking to grow.

Kim Cain (Arriva) - 0:56:02

but, looking to the future, I think we we need to be careful not to forget that the network is also heavily reliant on the funding that we currently receive and on concessionary reimbursement, and there are probably two unknowns of the future,

we're hopeful that there'll be a good outcomes to them and that no

George Thomas (TransPennine Express) - 0:56:18

further cuts would be needed and that certainly our ambition.

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:56:24

so I am certain that, as a yes, there has been no new cuts or knows no new cuts, Councillor Edwards.

Councillor Edwards, smiled at me, nicely before you put Alex, says I

Cllr Peter Caffrey (Calderdale Council) - 0:56:39

thought I thought that was Councillor Edwards indicating, but perhaps it wasn't

Georgia smile.

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:56:45

or a question for first, if I can,

Cllr Peter Caffrey (Calderdale Council) - 0:56:51

given that some services are being counselled in Leeds like the 48, for example, what improvement in patronage will be necessary to reinstate the service?

where I would need to do some quick maths to answer that question,

Melissa Farmer (TransPennine Express) - 0:57:09

specifically, I would need to take that one away, for sure I mean, at

Kim Cain (Arriva) - 0:57:13

a root level, we would need to assess

a lot of factors too to answer that question, so if it's possible for me to take that away and come back to you personally, then then I'll do that OK, thank you.

Thank you, Councillor Edwards,

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:57:28

thank you very much, this is a question primarily for the first one, because the river runs over

Cllr Matthew McLoughlin - 0:57:33

on the north-western side of Leeds, but there are issues affects both companies,

so looking at the customer satisfaction levels, we can see five for four buses and a score of 5.9 out of 10.

that was over the page points

2.5 5

the national survey suggests that 83% of passengers were satisfied and according to the Transport focus survey, so it's a significant gap. between those two,

so when it comes to the customer service, experience and both residents, and also fellow colleagues fellow Councillor colleagues

when they have contacted first and Chance Gareth, who unfortunately are not here and but they're equally culpable.

when when they have contacted them very often, and people are dissatisfied with, the customer service received, that can include complaints not being answered adequately or simply not being answered,

and I've heard that from residents as well as from fellow Councillors and one of the big issues we have is that, there's no, we don't know what the best and worst performing routes are, and that would be very helpful for us to know and and particularly on those in those areas in my wards in other wards where first are the only operator and the operated sites commercial sensitivity but what commercial sensitivity is there if you've got a monopoly

and you're receiving significant amounts of public funds, it's it simply is simply not acceptable to many residents and

many of our

colleagues, so can we can we have an idea of the best and worst performing routes

because that also increases accountability.

for our residents and for us as well, can we have some proper data on cancellations, punctuality, that's particularly an issue in

areas on the edges of cities such as mine, so so that's the first part of my question about

about customer service and accountability, the other issue as button. when it comes to a lot of outer areas is about the length of routes, and I imagine this would affect a river as well, I'm certainly in Leeds many of the routes are extremely long and so, for example, for example, how to north-west you have buses going from Otley all the way to the city centre, the likelihoods of there being delays

is significant, especially where there are well-known areas of congestion, and this was something that was identified in the reports as model in terms of affecting reliability congestion, air, I accept that there are factors outside of the bus operator's control, however,

one of the things a lot of local representatives have been saying, is that we would like to have shorter routes within local areas if, if you are in inner Leeds or in a Bradford's, there are more bus routes available and there are more options available, but in a lot about areas there is one company and operates that routes,

and so are areas, are disproportionately affected and one of the obvious ways that that could be reduced is by having more local routes and by responding to that aspect. Instead of insisting on this, this one size fits all long distance route which is bound to be subject to delays

Keighley

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:01:29

apart from the part to the brief, brief answer, if County head coach has got a lot to get through on them, so first, starting with

Melissa Farmer (TransPennine Express) - 1:01:36

in recognition of the point raised around the contact centre and customer complaints, so

I'm I'm frankly surprised to hear that there's problems with that, but only because I've actually recently seen data that shows that we're getting back to customers much quicker than we were previously, everything is relative, of course, and that we have made some real drastic improvements in terms of staffing levels and then the resulting responses that are provided, so I'd be interested to to to dig into that a little bit more for you if that's OK in terms of accountability.

I don't have any qualms with providing details to you on the best and worst performing groups and having a really open conversation around why, if there is the the monopoly that you describe

why we do struggle to to look after some routes, despite that,

Ms. Kayleigh Ingham - 1:02:22

ultimately some of those routes will perform better than other some of those routes will have more patronage than others, some of them will experience. their own challenges by way of put tried to be liability, et cetera, et cetera, so perhaps it's benefit in in a conversation specifically,

between between us, if, if you've got challenges that we can run through intensive the shorter route, then within your areas, one versus the long distance routes,

it's absolutely something that week we can look to take into account within our network reviews what I am really conscious of is making decisions that may,

benefits and passengers and

be a detriment others, and I've not actually had that point of feedback raised to me prior to now. and so conscious to take it on board and am grateful for it, and I'll feedback to my network team who take it into account, thank you.

sorry, I've got Councillor, First and Councillor Hutchinson, Councillor Slum.

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:03:19

thank you a lot I shall be brief,

Cllr Eric Firth - 1:03:24

my question is what to appoint Wojciech, some of it

about acceptable the elderly, and I'm not coming back to both of you open to are

trying to encourage.

this this group to come back onto the bus.

thank you.

I am sorry just quickly on the previous question, that it should be noted. The transport focus survey them is very different to the one done in West Yorkshire. I've just checked and they actually haven't released the regional results yet, but they do give us a regional result on those surveys and typically West Yorkshire is at the higher end of the satisfaction on the transport focus surveys. So please do

Ms. Kim Cain - 1:04:07

not look at them as a a direct comparison because they've been very different in their nature

in terms of concessionary travel, there's been a lot of research done into this, and transport focus in particular have done a lot of research and typically, what we're finding is that

most concessionary passengers are travelling against, so that fear has predominantly gone, and there's a small portion that is still fearful from the COVID impact, but the majority of the reduction is actually that concessionary pass holders are travelling less often, and there's a number of reasons for that. So, for example, the a lot of concessionary pass holders are now more comfortable with doing online shopping that they weren't comfortable during pre pandemic, so we're doing lots of campaigns and activities, both individually as operators but also nationally, and the government are actually doing a campaign to try and get concessionary pass holders back onto bus,

but there is no kind of magic silver bullet for this and we just need to improve reliability, improve punctuality and try to get more people back as quickly as we can.

go on and need to go through the questions first because otherwise

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:05:11

we've got to get to the item so Councillor Hutchinson, Councillor SLaM, Councillor McLoughlin

much compared Charlie with what Councillor Edwards has said about

Cllr Colin Hutchinson - 1:05:19

reliability being such a key factor not just in guide sleepers in Calderdale as well and again it's largely a monopoly service

in most doing most of those routes. so where the report says that we're looking at a detailed analysis of the results of performance by area, it really does need to be by route rather than by area, because otherwise we can't match it up to what our residents are telling us, particularly on services that run just once an hour if a bus doesn't turn up at all then that's a two hour wait which really scuppers your chance of building any any increased patronage.

I would like to also say how disappointed I am that North Halifax, the large deprived communities in often the Illingworth,

are seemed to have been heavily targeted for cuts to service frequency

that's for of nylon, with the last bus Monday to Friday now leaves at 10.15 in the evening a lot of these people work in the care sector in the health sector and in the night in the evening economy.

you're essentially and have no alternative way of getting back home, so you know, you're asking them to pay two or three hours of their SAT of their wages just to be able to get the return from work.

including that the weekly Red Arrow ticket, you've increased from 11 pounds to 22 pounds so doubling the the cost to regular regular travellers, so I really would plea that that that those serving those communities are better served by bus because it is for a lot of them they're not car owners. it's it's vital for them,

Councillor Salah.

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:07:24

thank you Jack

I mean, I have always said that reliability, punctuality and

Cllr Taj Salam (Bradford Council) - 1:07:31

affordability are the three key themes that people look for when they are actually travelling on trains or buses and buses, mostly, and because punctuality is is is is very, very important to them because if we are on a half hourly service and one misses the deck for an hour and if you've got appointment or if you gotta get to work then you,

you are in trouble,

but

with buses having so much scrutiny now with the CCTV that I mean on first buses, there are about 11 cameras now,

why are

people still not feeling safe on buses, is there something that we are missing,

where we're not working with other service providers or authorities that can actually do not do something about this because,

the driver is a lone worker, he, you know he or she cannot def Europe, defend everything that goes on that boss, if there's something happening on upper deck, I mean drivers are very hesitant to go upstairs because they've got to gather everything that we will get all the personal store the money everything so therefore, but I think the operators need to actually do something.

better than what they have been doing over the of the last decade, because if people are not feeling confident on the buses, then there is a real problem. They'll never ever going to come back to buses, but one thing I can't understand is is in 2.7 5 the last bullet points in for more in bus services. I don't know how we promote bus services because every single road you go on there is a bus running on it, whether he said even whether it's transgender or whether it's first, so I'm not really sure how we are promoted. So is there an example from the operators how they are promoting their services to the local communities where there are schools where there is

or faith groups, or whether it is whoever it is that they are actually what campaigns have we brought them to to promote buses to to to bring people back on the buses, because if we

I have seen

a lot more people coming on with the 2 pounds per which is good, I've seen a lot of young people now using the 2.55 yeah so we've seen increase in patronage on that side of it.

but it's really

the dignity, the

senior citizens, that are actually who you know you came up at 9.00 or 25 past nine, you came to a bus stop and it was evening with people getting getting on with it with a

senior citizens pass now that's not happening, so there is.

I mean, I don't believe that everybody's shopping online, I think, is there is a perception that the buses are not safe

anymore and and thus why people are trying to stay away from it. Thank you, sir. Thank you.

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:10:23

Councillor Lamb, of course, and the basic, we do have

some money to for Transport's police, that we ought to make sure we have more transport police on public transport in West Yorkshire, which is great and so Councillor McLoughlin then I've got Conham patients, so can we please keep it, though, thank

you Jeff follow that the type Councillor Islam has rather stolen the

Cllr Oliver Edwards - 1:10:42

point I was gonna make about safety, we've just had a very informative presentation that says everybody feels less safe and some people significantly less safe in the space of just a year.

and I just got yeah wow, what are your plans to to address that, and can I suggest that there is a connection there with the cuts to frequency and the below industry, standard reliability and punctuality, because the longer you're stood at a bus stop on your own particularly at night, particularly if it's bad weather

the let's see if you're gonna feel

thank you to Councillor Khan.

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:11:14

in particular, I think the concerns are Arriva has the operators

Cllr Armaan Khan - 1:11:22

considered using CIL money, community infrastructure will need to cover some of the remote and smaller routes, particularly impacting our rural communities.

as it can, you just shut level, absolutely, which I think has happened

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:11:35

in certain parts, Councillor pensions.

thank you Chair.

Cllr Scott Patient - 1:11:42

I went that's the first time I know I know.

embarrassingly that

yeah, I mean it Booth, thank you and answer some of what I want to make to us as being has been covered. I I just wonder, and it's always great that we have.

tackling the climate emergency implications on this, and it would be remiss for me to not do a read across in as I sit on the current energy environment one, I am, I'm just wondering what your commitments are there, because it's great that you're running campaigns that bring people back on the buses, but what you used, what you say actually in terms of your ambition, around sustainability and getting you know,

and we all know the investment that's happening and we've seen the being network announcements over in Greater Manchester and that's brilliant, but I just want to know that your ambition outstrips what the government are telling us to do, because I think that level of commitment we can't just wait for things to happen, we need to actually start tackling them now, so just very interested in the in the benefit of read across about what you guys are doing

right. Can you respond to all those

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:12:45

in a brief s? Derek Ashton, thank you

Cllr Scott Patient - 1:12:50

them, I'll pick up the decamp on just because it's it's just been asked and then we can move on to the other topics as noted and as I went in terms of decarbonisation, you may be aware. First Bus has made

Ms. Kayleigh Ingham - 1:13:01

a commitment to decarbonise its fleet entirely by 2035. Just in the last month

we have submitted

a them, an alternative proposal to the franchising

bus reform proposal

that is underway and within that proposal. First Bus commit to accelerate its programme within West Yorkshire for decarbonisation to bring that forward to 2030, with a commitment to take all of the non-euro Essex vehicles

out of Italy him in Yorkshire West and replace those actually within the next one in the 24 months that are beyond that decision so beyond next spring. So in the case that an alternative to franchising were to be considered, those were those would be the the commitments made regarding the West Yorkshire

fleet,

which I believe is, is it really brilliant news for the citizens of West Yorkshire we do move in that direction, I can't comment on decarbonisation for a riverside. Let Kim do that

thanks Cowley yeah, so and clearly we've been working in partnership

Ms. Kim Cain - 1:13:57

to deliver that alternative proposal so that there's full details within the we're already committed to 47 electric buses that we plan to build bringing to Wakefield and we're currently going through the planning application for that

and we also support the ambition to be.

sorry, the ambitions in the bus service improvement plan and to get up to net 0 by 2036 am, so we're working very hard to do that Wakefield is our biggest project that we're currently working on to get underway.

drop me to pick up, and I can outjumping on on the marketing one, and there was a question as to what officers

are doing to promote bus.

Ms. Kayleigh Ingham - 1:14:38

I'm saddened that you ask because there's absolutely loads going on in this area to promote bus,

so we

as First Bus have just finished our catch the summer campaign. Unfortunately, in the wettest

summer I think we've had for a long time, so maybe people

didn't feel that they were able to catch the summer, but there was a lot of advertising and promotion activity ongoing across

across West

Yorkshire we are them taking the the concessionary challenge that that we all share around us, a ship into our own hands, and we are rolling out a concessions campaign. So you'll see that at the end of September into October and we've been doing a lot of work actually with Combined Authority, colleagues, on the processes that sit behind the the application for concessionary pass holders and then how we ensure that those renewals are or are valid and and complete and quick, so that if if concessionary pass holders were now in terms of their past that they can get back on to the services as soon as possible, so we're asking for some some Combined Authority support to help us with this concessionary campaign

and the processes around passholders that we believe need some attention

in terms of recent marketing activity. Just as you asked, there is leaflets going out around service changes that happened on the 3rd of September, which is advertising the the really fantastic improvements that we've put in into the x 6 and 72 routes adding earlier starts later finishes are more punchable services, and so those of door drop type leaflets and then every service change, we push out materials across our website across our app, et cetera, so always looking for opportunities in terms of marketing and advertising so feel free to let me know if you think we're lacking in any of your areas Kindle etc marketing,

yeah, just an important point similar to first, and I'm not go into

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:16:21

the details, but we've got a lot, or a lot of schemes that we're

Ms. Kim Cain - 1:16:25

promoting at the moment, but I think also it's important to note that, with the Combined Authority, through the multi ticketing company that we've got,

we are doing a joint promotion on a specific corridor and all operators are participating in, and we're using it to measure this the success of that campaign. So we can understand what works and what doesn't on a collaborative basis, so it it's first Aviva and trans several participating in that alongside Metro, and we we, we do all collectively, as operators invest money via Metro in order to advertise the ticketing options that are available either

good, old-fashioned art marketing excellent. Let's hope that has some vessel fruit,

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:17:07

so obviously you've heard how much people in Cross' district across the region are very invested in the bus services were wanting to improve as fast as possible. I think it's a Councillor Carol Asheville work is done with operators to get to a stage where I'm hoping now we're in a steady state, and I heard you say mayonnaise that you're not gonna do any more cuts,

but what we do want to do now is build on that service and make sure that we provided with the opportunity to use buses get to work, get social opportunities, so your cooperation in doing that Over the next few months will be very much appreciated, thank you very much.

so we're moving on now to agenda item

6 Mass Transit Vision Adoption

which is mass transit vision, adoption, yes, Luke and

I'm hoping you can be visionary in a short space of time your version, thank you,

I won't argue for us to.

Luke Albanese, Director of Mass Transit (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:18:07

I will, I will talk to this document, it's it's, it's a pretty well-known, I'm sure many of you will have ready the number of times actually

it is, of course the statement by which the Combined Authority sets out its intentions and aspirations

for the future of mass transit in West Yorkshire. it has been very widely consulted on three times now

and I think I think is an excellent document, it is, of course a live document in the sense that as time develops and we find out more, it will develop itself into the future, but we would like to adopt this document as a supplementary planning guidance to the Local Transport Plan.

we understand that the correct way of doing that is to take that to the Combined Authority and before we take it to the Combined Authority, we have to bring here to the Transport Committee. So I move that the Transport Committee recommends if it sees fit the

the document to the Combined Authority for adoption of supplementary planning guidance.

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:19:29

So this is actually a very exciting last transfer. It is something that this region has been needed for decades, if not a south century, and in fact we know that sometimes the worst transit at some points in certain places,

but then it all fell by the wayside like 100 years ago, something so we are actually being changemakers as a Transport Committee and as a Combined Authority put in mass transit in place and is very exciting, and I would encourage you all to make sure the team are invited, we know working with your leaders to get them to come and presents a Councillor, so they know what's going on here, what the size of the prizes and how it's gonna be developed over the next few years, because it's really gonna help our economy and make sure that no socially excluded people who may not be on a transport link at the moment might actually get one through this at some point, so it's all very exciting stuff so I was gonna barely got any questions.

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:20:15

I think we're all overwhelmed with the opportunity to relay Luke

Councillor Edwards and Councillor patients, thank you.

thank you. Thank you very much for the work on this, and yes, it's a

Cllr Matthew McLoughlin - 1:20:31

very comprehensive document as, as the Chair has said, I think some of the issues that I I mean one of the challenges, as I see it, so just looking at Bradford in north-west Leeds and also North Leeds, it's some of the issues that we were discussing

in the last

section, so thinking about thinking about the bus services, so for example, talks about a fixed link between Bradford's and the airport.

Cllr Oliver Edwards - 1:20:54

So currently we only have one bus company that operates on that route and that bus company has in fact recently cuts some of their services, both the ones within Leeds and the ones within Bradford's. In at the moment they have a monopoly,

so the idea of competition there doesn't

doesn't feature but but I think I think that

having those connections. a really important and we need to. We need to know that there's that reliability, our communities need to know that those services are not going to be cuts at the whim of an operator and they need to know that they're going to be consistent and because at the moment that is one thing that is that is lacking, and so I think I think many of the points around reliability, consistency, stability

also important here and also recognising where there are those obvious blockages so particularly in north Leeds, around congestion, which then contributes to

public perceptions of slow and unreliable services site I do I do welcome this

and I think there are many interesting ideas in here, many good ideas

which will bring different communities together, but

but we do also need to acknowledge the reality of where we are at the moment and just how far there is to go of course

Councillor patient,

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:22:21

then yeah, thank you, and it's really wanna endorse it, just just a bit of clarity from from from my PA

Cllr Scott Patient - 1:22:26

supplementary planning guidance versus, so I'm gonna go into our local plan, had supplementary planning documents ha ha ha ha ha ha how much how much of it is guidance and how much you raise actual direction

are I I'm not a town planner and I I

I may have misspoken there.

Luke Albanese, Director of Mass Transit (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:22:47

my unfortunately much honed planning colleagues at another meeting who prepared this, so it may be that I've I've used the wrong terminology, so forgive me if I have will make sure that the right terminology is used, but it's a supplementary to the transport plan, whether it's guidance or compulsion on what I haven't got entirely sure I have talked

through the clarity.

yeah, thank you so.

Simon Warburton - 1:23:19

this dances a a sub strategy to to the Local Transport Plan, the Local Transport Plan is the statutory document that was produced at a West Yorkshire level or him, on behalf of

the five authorities and the Combined Authority, the critical element around a Local Transport Plan.

one is that if we want to go forward and secure central government funds for a policy than that policy needs to be stated in the Local Transport Plan and the vision allows us to go down to the level of granularity, and this needed to show that we've got that policy backing for funded submissions,

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:24:00

it's very important if if it's a long-term short-term ambition, it does need to be in our local plans. tourist matter, I've got this guy, Councillor Jones, Councillor questions come back on, but I'll go to Councillor Firth, really Councillor Cowell, Councillor Canon, we've indicated

Cllr Eric Firth - 1:24:14

thank you very much you are going forward I I shall be sure to invite you to come and speak to the colleagues you think are clues.

My second point is why you touch on

carbon emissions

and if we are going to be a visionary

let's not just stick to electric legs, consider hydrogen, but how hydrogen going forward, the trains are running in certain parts of the world and, as you know, Trump's running a hydrogen.

for the environment, it does away with stone shoes and wires.

and so it would be multi, easier to develop over a doughnut took two in that year.

I like the idea, Councillor Helen,

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:24:53

thank you very much, I am looking

at this stage, it looks like still a vision,

Cllr Abdul Hannan - 1:24:59

I think, Simon you mentioned that it's gonna go to the next stage, which is the Local Transport Champions.

be able to give us a bit of a timeline on that, because lots of the questions I am getting is whenever we can actually see spades in the ground.

thank you, sir. that Councillor Councillor Bolt, to ask a question

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:25:18

first, and I'll come back with answers, catapult

thank Chairman and orchestra.

just mind, yet again, the the vision document.

Cllr Peter Clarke - 1:25:30

Kennedy swapped Peter McBride and colleagues always used to say that

there's a lot of emphasis on east-west connectivity,

but the connectivity from Huddersfield through add kerb indemnity, et cetera is key, as well as a key transport corridor, and will link, and obviously West Yorkshire mass transit but will link to South Yorkshire which is a big business area for those of us in Kirkley,

looking again at corridors,

they are one of the corridor, descriptions is South Leeds to Dewsbury.

well, how do people from North Kirklees access employment in in Leeds? Yeah, we're not all running on the access from south-west to Dewsbury, hear their paper on the 62 58 et cetera around that corridor, to get from Kirkley, which when I was Cabinet Member we used to get big plans about the access corridors, and the Kirkley to Leeds was one of the busiest community corridors in the area. So let's look at all that and they also talk about all the slides talk about local cycle connections, enabling things and active travel. As we've had before, I suffered

a drop to pre pandemic levels, so when we're talking before about passenger usage, the cycle levels in active travel we're in, perhaps we could have some user satisfaction, so we know why, then, after all the investments in active travel that we're seeing a drop in usage,

we're saying also

when he talks about Huddersfield to Dewsbury corridor.

the railway stations of the Mirfield Ravensthorpe provide connectivity to Dewsbury and Huddersfield.

I am sure if Councillor Scholem was still on the committee when she used to wax lyrical about the benefits of Mirfield railway station and its connectivity, should be able to tell you about its connectivity to the Calder Valley and beyond to Lancashire, indeed Mirfield accesses Doncaster Wakefield and London so again let's have a proper picture, Mirfield is the only railway station in Kirklees with a direct service to London and I'm sure I recall forgetting that in his new role.

so thank you very much Les consigned in Los Angeles coming first, and let's just say

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:27:41

my first just just on on a couple of points out that firstly, to address Councillor Helen's point so.

Simon Warburton - 1:27:50

as a combined authority and a and and the the five authorities, West Yorkshire has already taken a decision to bring forward a

a first priority group of corridors for development, we secured significant development funding.

through the first-hand of the city or region, sustainable transport settlement and under Luke's guidance, there is a programme that is now under way.

which

will be schedule such that we

are able to.

to acquire all of the necessary

consents from local authorities, consents from the community through a series of of formal consultations,

so that we are ready for the second round of the city region, sustainable transport settlement in 2027. to draw down funding to put spades in the ground, that's the path that we are on in terms of the priority groups, just to address the broad point around the network, it's it's an incredibly important point and

one of the challenges of the vision document is that it takes a series of corridors and as a particular conversation,

about, if you like, principally plugging the gaps

in the existing network that that we have, certainly as we move forward and produce the new Local Transport Plan in the new year, I won't be able to bring forward a plan which makes it very clear that we view our existing rail corridors in West Yorkshire as part of a mass transit.

system

and a number of those corridors, as we've recently identified in the draft rail strategy.

now need to be Brookthorpe, brought forward at a pace in terms of the improvements that are needed, like Calder Valley line electrification

to to, to take one example, we've made that very clear in the rail strategy, I do recognise the the moment we've been having a conversation. about plans for buses, through the basset

plans for mass transit, through this vision and plans for rail through the rail strategy. to a degree in splendid isolation, of course that's not what we're looking to achieve, we're looking to achieve an integrated transport system

and that's the approach that we will look to set out for you over the next few months, I think the point is really well made.

Thank you and Les did you want to come back in in this Parliament, I think what's the matter, could you send him a hydrogen

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:30:30

note, it's lovely

so we have had some presentations on Hampshire

and I'll see Bradford leading the way on hydrogen and very keen to see it used to all opportunities,

so so I think just to just to just add on the hydrogen point.

Simon Warburton - 1:30:47

so we we we clearly do want to be able to establish a system which

is is this

complies with the 0 emission objectives.

of of the conurbation and we want to at this stage to keep an open mind in terms of the technology and, as we start to go forward and talk to the market around delivery aspects at that point we will be looking for the markets come forward

with an options for us and we do recognise that we we have to look seriously at hydrogen or as part of the fuel mix

thank you.

7 Mass Transit-Approach to Placemaking and Design Philosophy

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:31:29

so we're going onto another paper about mass transit, I think where we're on this item, we're saying yes, we recommend this for adoption to the combined authorities, my understanding are we happy to recommend this paper for adoption to the Combined Authority I'm seeing nods around the room so that's OK so are Liverpool jackets gone to the next but design and place-making which we've touched on a little bit already actually, but,

if a gap, as some put it very well, sorry about one.

Luke Albanese, Director of Mass Transit (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:32:06

and not just about, of course, they are about transport that spatula backbone, but they're also about helping to make the towns and cities they pass through better places this this idea of

the urban in improving the urban environment, improving equity outcomes,

improving the communities that they go through is very much about trying to make the place better those of you who have visited the

what we used to call the rest of Europe, and now we just call over there.

will know that this is very commonly a part of these schemes, it hasn't been so much the case in Britain, we've tended to concentrate solely on the functional aspects, which is not necessarily about thing, but we have an opportunity here to leverage the the change that will be engendered by these these schemes to really make the best of Town Regeneration in place.

know how the public environment helping to green up. places, and in order to do that, we set out a series of current design, broad design criteria, lots of pictures of trams in there, but it is not just about trams, it's also about other forms of a largely electrified or possibly even hydrogen operated public transport but 0 emission public transport anyway.

and seeing how we can work with the planning authorities because, as you know, the Combined Authority itself is not a planning authority, but are our District partners to

to working as much in inward investment as possible outside the transport sphere to help improve the towns and cities, so that's really what the the documents are about, they're not

we're not asking anyone to.

adopt them as

or are under the transport planning system, this is very much about endorsing the documents that they, they set out some some good ideas, and they should be at the backbone of our thinking going forward, and that's that's really what it's all about yeah.

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:34:22

it sounds like him a sensible proposition, because obviously the whole point that transport is not just about getting from A to B, it is about economic growth and making sure we have connectivity to places of opportunity,

8 Local Electric Vehicle Infrastructure Scheme

and we know that transport in Bradford were very much sort of placing our whole regeneration around transport improved transport so, it is very much central to economic growth and we want to promote that, so are we happy about the recommendations in the paper that's and sensible again seeing notes around the room, Yes, thank you very much, Luke, and Simon on that so moving on then to the Liverpool electric vehicle infrastructure scheme Melanie,

thank you Chair,

so we have received funding from either lay-by or levy, however, you

Melanie Corcoran - 1:35:07

want to say it, but basically local electric vehicle infrastructure, which is government funded, we've received the first two rounds of funding, we've got one and a half million for the pilot funding and 1.3 million for for capability funding.

the process now is that we need to develop our business case for the third element, which is the capital funding, so we are working with local authority partners and also Leeds University who have been doing some research into this in terms of identifying precise sites for charge points within our local authority areas and considering both on-street and off-street charging options but particularly on-street options in areas where it it's actually very difficult for residents to to put charging in so they don't have off street

facilities.

we're looking at implementing. an estimated 5, but between 500 and a thousand charge points that will be delivered through the capital scheme and obviously the details of that will come out in the the next round of business case development, and we're asking the Committee to give approval for this final bid to be submitted as set out in in the approach that is identified in the report.

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:36:36

thank you very much any comments or questions on this are we happy to give approval for the split submission, obviously want to see more of this or are Councillor Møller in consultation?

as much as unwelcoming of it was a brilliant thing that we're doing, what I reflect on and think of approaches that don't have drawers rethink,

Cllr Matthew Morley - 1:36:56

some are living in castle food, yeah a massive amount of terrace housing, but I would obviously be investigated about elderly people then housing would have electric cars, wow yeah, sorry people probably on the ice wages. whatsoever, maybe at this podcast for the two albums on gas in though yeah maybe future-proofing, but by another 10 15 years ago as well, which will help you on board, so I'm just going to be concerned that before moving to an area that may not feel ability of it straight away,

thank you Chair. if you take a slightly different tack

just.

Cllr Scott Patient - 1:37:32

I kind of hear what you said on that one, and I think it's. I, I guess there's a discussion to be had, isn't there about whether the

Outlane capital cost is then offset by the on cost and that one, and that's probably something we could talk about all day long, I think, though, what I'm keen to see happen and are some of this is happening in terms of the discussions you have had with local authorities is to make sure this is done absolutely properly.

bill build-outs are a must, we can't take any more pavement space away from people, we've got significant accessibility, and I think he'd call his stuff going on there if we do start going down down in that direction, and I think we all know that build-outs are best practice, but we all know that all of our

local authorities have got their own challenges, whether it's heritage flags or whether it's you know

lamp posts at the front or the back of the the, the there's all of these variables and anarchy, and I think you're right in in in in working with the different local authorities in, in that sense, together. broader picture. I'm just wondering, sought more Broad Lane and an and as a strategic thinking around this, how can we make sure that because I think it's critical because at the moment in Calderdale we've got so many out of play and that the network is so fractured partially because of private interests just really want to make sure that it that it works in the round and someone is taking some level of ownership over not just the implementation and the capital costs but the ongoing monitoring and maintenance of them as well.

that's quite revolutionary stuff as they were talking about here and

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:39:07

yeah. Thank you, Chair, just just to come back in and the first point about the areas of deprivation and whether there will be the

Melanie Corcoran - 1:39:17

anticipated uptake. That's why it's so important for us to work with Leeds University who have been doing research into this, so that hopefully we are picking the right areas and I think very good points from Councillor patient as well

about the the funding mechanism if you like for this, because we we need to attract private sector funding as well, and at the moment we don't know what level that will be at, but we will absolutely be using the infrastructure fund to attract private sector funding and we'd want to monitor the ongoing delivery of that and check that is giving us what we want.

Councillor McLoughlin Councillor Buckley, Councillor Bolt briefly, please, thank

you, Chair yeah, just building

up within the council, patient will we start to talk about, was the

Cllr Oliver Edwards - 1:40:02

impact on equalities, I'm hope I'm looking for a bit of reassurance that thought is being given to the design so that we don't have cables crossing pavements and restricting accessibility for those that are disabled or pushing buggies.

Cllr Peter Caffrey (Calderdale Council) - 1:40:20

yeah, just taking up this point of private investment, it says here,

although the total value of private

investment is not known

at this time,

well, we've been talking

about the charging points for years, I'm away, why is it not known and what I'd like to know is, for instance, all the BP, the Shell garages the Esso

have they been contacted, have they been stimulated into providing charging points and, if not, why not?

shaping the market, and it only adds to this, I'm sorry, Councillor Bolt personally.

I thank you Chair.

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:40:56

the third issue with EV charging that the existing things that we've

Cllr Peter Clarke - 1:41:02

seen roll-out through this authority often allocate spaces where it says taxis only when there are no taxis in the area so precluding people from charging. I am told by enforcement officers that those types of things, I don't know whether these on-street ones will be the same where they have charging leads attach them are often prone to attacks by criminals, stealing the wires and therefore enter them.

unusable, and if we're doing them at home on the on-street parking, will they have any traffic regulation order and so that the people who are living in that area, who presumably will be something done so they're going where people live, can actually get to them because if there's no tyro you might find a charging zone if you like blocked by non EV vehicles?

South mentioned.

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:41:52

we will work with with local authority officers in terms of enforcement and also accessibility, so obviously that's that's key in

Melanie Corcoran - 1:42:00

in terms of not knowing yet the level of private sector contribution. We are dictating to the market where we want to see these these charge points, so the first that there's a sequence, if you like, or an order of events, that we want to say where the areas are and then engage further with the market. So we have done some market testing and then we want to engage further to to to nail them down to the exact levels of investment that we would expect to see in certain areas. So we, we will come to confirm the funding in the next phase.

OK, so I think that's something we're gonna keep discussing, isn't it, where there's all the power, all the things that have been

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:42:42

raised today, I think that we come across in our post bags really in terms of casework and pavements disability issues. I think just it is worth emphasising that's been mentioned twice afternoon about making sure that we don't have trip hazards, et cetera, so all those things, it's conflicting priorities on the highways and it really so we'll see more of this in the future, but are we happy, therefore, to proceed on the basis to submit the bid and see have other learning is that we get out of that progress forward? Yes, I'm seeing nods around the room, so I think we are happy to accept that. Then thank you very much Melanie absent, or are you also presented on the latest and final item of her projects, approvals that we've got three in here

9 Project Approvals

yeah, we've we've got a number of approvals for consideration and I've got some officers from the project team, so we're gonna come up to the

Melanie Corcoran - 1:43:31

turbulent to a very brief intro on on these projects, but just before we go into the detail of the projects there is an it's on page 1 8 1 there's an additional PRU approval here

because D F T are asking us to review the milestones on a number of our ongoing and new programmes. So for our see our SDS programme, the

sustainable transport fund, we're part way through that five-year programme, we now have a look to, which is the levelling-up fund approval, which is round two and we've got transforming cities fund, which is ongoing as well, and D F T have asked us to submit revised milestones for each of these programmes and to include monitoring and evaluation and how we are going to tackle that for our five-year programme that's so

up to 9. Am I right on that? Page 1 2 9

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:44:27

0sorry 0 0 on 1 8 1 of the pack

just at the beginning of the report I got a different it dust, it does talk about

Melanie Corcoran - 1:44:39

this section, so we are being asked to revise the milestones with which we've attached at Appendix 1 and then we go into the detail of the project, so at this stage are members happy to approve the changes to the milestones so that we can then submit that to the Department for

Transport's table, you wanted to submit

yes, the Appendix 1

table this table, yes,

yes.

frenzy on here has changed, particularly since the last time we saw it,

we have some.

figures that have increased slightly on one project, but they've come

Melanie Corcoran - 1:45:21

down on another, so we do get a balanced programme in each case we've got some milestones where we've explained that they've moved and in most cases they've gone back but for various reasons.

but there shouldn't be any surprises to the headline figures, the headline figures are the same, we're all

actually, on whose dates, of course,

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:45:42

you have outlined figures, uncertainty, progress,

there's just the dates and re-profile days I can't get jobs shall these have been worked on in conjunction with our authorities

they have here.

Melanie Corcoran - 1:45:55

I think it was saying yesterday that noticing.

so carry on Melanie

yeah, so the next game is Leeds, healthiest streets, sparse and communities so

Melanie Corcoran - 1:46:09

Casey did you want to come up, in fact, if the if the project teams go on to the table? just a very brief overview, please, so that the Members have got an idea of what the scheme's about.

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:46:32

absolutely, I think we just wanted to make sure that you know, obviously we presents it properly and has anybody got any questions, so if people want to go from the first one, then Melanie, which is

yes, so this is Leeds healthiest streets and space and communities.

have anybody any questions on that?

Melanie Corcoran - 1:46:48

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:46:52

but Councillor Buckley just gotten there before he got Councillor Buckley,

it was just a a brief comment, really, that this mentions that the

Cllr Peter Caffrey (Calderdale Council) - 1:47:01

proposed interventions are expected to increase the uptake of walking, cycling and public transport and

were seen in the report here today. The agenda and also in the in the press recently that walking is down since 2019 cycling is down to 29 teen,

and at what point are we going to review this situation because if it's down, not since the pandemic, when it would obviously be down but downs compared to 2019, we must be doing something wrong?

So that's a wider question. The Justice Project has never, I'll just let Councillor Callum come back on that. First, thank you

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:47:46

yeah, I can come back on some, I mean some of the figures.

Cllr Peter Carlill (Deputy Chair) Transport Committee - 1:47:51

in terms of journeys down, there are some fewer people travelling into work that are affecting quite a lot of.

the journeys that people are making to in the same way that some of the people aren't going on the bus every day into town, people aren't walking into town, everyday people aren't going on the bike into town everyday, so some of that hits this project to be of a different one anyway, that factors in some of that, because

previously we've looked at specific corridors or longer corridor works. This project all round come into Community Committees in Leeds and having conversations with members around what can be done in their local areas. So it will be around

hearing from members about about the work that they want to happen in their communities. Nothing will improve, and I think that's something that we haven't been able to do before because we haven't had that flexibility funding, but that's something you'll see through Community Committees, for four officers come in, so that's what we really want to talk about around the journeys that you you know about when you will get in your postbag. Same same has made the journey that people tell us, they're taking I think there has been a shift from the journeys they may have used to take in 2019, and this will hopefully allow us to to to.

move on to that, that new way of working, I guess.

Councillor Hutchinson briefly,

I would say that, although there is a road maintenance fund, that's that's

Cllr Colin Hutchinson - 1:49:09

in no way adequate, there is no fund for repair, maintenance of footways of pavements, and so a lot of places the state of the pavements infrastructure has become a lot worse, which is an absolute lie. It's an absolute waved reducing people's walking. So I would hope that that would be recognised as a potential contributor to rigid reduction walking journeys.

Thank you. That's just linked to local authority, austerity, as now the funding cuts to local authorities for the last 13 years. I'm

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:49:41

afraid any more questions or comments on this particular project.

now,

can I say I am happy to pose this, can I see all those in favour, please show.

thank you, that seems to be carried, thank you next one,

the next one is the love to project, it's the Essex 3 9 Park Road, so we want to move from outline business case to the full business case on the scheme.

the questions or comments on this one.

Melanie Corcoran - 1:50:07

no.

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:50:11

I am happy to propose this, then can I see all those in favour, please show, thank you that is carried next,

the next one is Essex 2 9 4 2, which is Halifax Town Centre, so the proposal here is to proceed from full delivery which full sorry full

Melanie Corcoran - 1:50:31

business case which is decision point for two into delivery, which is activity 5.

any questions on this consultation.

thank you Chair, just briefly to welcome the significant amount of

Cllr Scott Patient - 1:50:43

investment in to Halifax, and I was gonna, make a massive massive difference and we've seen lots of different regeneration projects in and around the towns, so I'm sure it's gonna keep me busy over the next few years.

yeah, that's the benefit of devolution is in a is given an opportunity

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:50:57

to really regenerate the places that everybody relies on in West Yorkshire, so it's a real positive, so I think that's a recommendation to approve this is anybody.

I'll have second that all those in favour, please show

that is carried, thank you next.

and then the the final scheme for consideration is the Rail Park and

Melanie Corcoran - 1:51:19

Ride programme, where we provide community spaces at rail stations to avoid cars coming right into the centre of our towns and cities, and we've got a change request for three station car parks, Steeton and Silsden Normanton and move up and the overall increase to the programme costs as well.

thank you now, obviously, have you read the paper it does seem to the very high costs, particularly as all Steeton and Silsden 1 Have you

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:51:48

got an explanation for that increase in costs, please?

yeah, I mean I'll start and and the officers may or may want to to chip in, as well originally at statements Sulston, this was going to

Melanie Corcoran - 1:52:00

be a surface car park and there was a significant demand on on this line and on that area to to increase the provision

we have been able to accommodate a decked car park on that site.

but there have been delays to to get in the car park design completed because we've changed the scope and also get in the access and the permissions from Network Rail because it's very close answer in certain areas to the operational railway line,

and some of those delays have meant that we've got caught up in the

massive increase that we've seen in inflation costs,

so we've we've doubled the scope, but we've also then got caught up with with these higher inflation costs, which have then come back in the tendered prices and there's been some unforeseen activities on-site during construction as well

with finding of

ammunition from a former ammunition factory.

so you couldn't make that one up,

but there are various reasons and overall for the programme when we started with the proposals for this programme and the business case, we worked on the basis that each car parking space would cost approximately 30,000 now, this is at the higher end but there are others that have come in lower and actually as a programme overall it's looking like 31 and a half thousand per space so it's slightly higher but given that we've uncovered and inflation were coming in pretty close to what we predicted,

so it does look quite stark in the report, but there are very good reasons I don't know if the project team wants to commence, is there anything I've missed?

thankfully, now I think those are the main challenges that we face.

you know, delays did happen on site as we were going through, but they have been worked through very closely by the project team. There is

good collaboration across all partners, Northern Network Rail, to find solutions so working as quickly as we could to address those delays, but those those are the key points that have come through and the funding we are asking for is still within the overall funding envelope of the programme itself. So the actual park and ride programme is still coming on budget. It states the cost increases for these

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:54:13

projects that will occur.

I think it's just, obviously we started sort of finished kind of

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:54:19

thing, really isn't it, however, I think we do need to look at this going forward, whether you know, because obviously this is money that can be spent elsewhere, et cetera, so

obviously we've got a policy about park and ride and rail stations and it is an absolute valid reason to do that, more people can get off the roads or then on to public transport the better, however, there needs to be a limit in that in terms of how much that costs Councillor Bolt.

I'm not sure I'd be interested if someone could explain the process of

Cllr Peter Clarke - 1:54:49

choosing stations or obviously if they are the basis used to get cows, give some of Councillor Parker people for not driving, so when we're looking at the ones that are chosen as we go with transparent Andre upgrade and they refuse to provide additional parking at stations that are upgrading, saying that's not their remit, it is down to WYCA and the local authorities so there is no additional parking being provided at Mirfield, there's basic parking being provided Ravensthorpe despite the fact that there's 5,000 houses on the Dewsbury Riverside,

whose you obviously to put forward suggestions for additional car parking to cope with the increased demand

if Coakley's whereas forward thinking so those authorities and we just heard about CIL then they could use CIL to underpin infrastructure improvements, otherwise the dependent on section 1 0 6, which we know developers are reluctant to pay. So how will this station is identified as the by station usage or is it just by a beauty contest from local authorities?

thank you. We have slipped through CIL and rural sexy, you see here

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:55:56

the significant sums involved, so I'm not sure actually it's always sustainable through a planning application process by Councillor I mean Lamar Nigel,

yes, thank you. There were a number of factors that we looked at.

Melanie Corcoran - 1:56:09

Demand was one of them and we were monitoring how full the existing car parks where all the streets around the station safety was another issue because cars parked well, you'll know at Mirfield on the road

making it unsafe for year that for forecast to go down the street, so we do need to try to get cars off the street and make it safer for those pedestrians and cyclists and and fellow motorists in in that area in that vicinity.

so it comes down to money, so yes, we looked at demand and we have made some improvements at Mirfield, but not to the extent that we'd originally planned because of the TCU plans,

and we also will look at we initially for phase 1, we looked at where land was in public ownership because we thought that might be quicker.

working with some of the the third parties that we've been working with, that hasn't necessarily been quicker,

so there were a number of factors that we took into account, but now it is coming down to financial pressures as well,

so there's a özil, there's a business case behind action and as I said, it's got to be over 1 really and if it is over it is under one that is not a viable proposition just as old our projects are

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:57:24

Councillor Khan.

can I, I welcome the restaurant normington is the ward I represent that Wakefield

Cllr Armaan Khan - 1:57:31

is at the same reasons an increase of obviously the amount of money we want for the project.

although there are different reasons behind it.

some of that is the same. It's delays larger hit by COVID when we were able to actually start a project on site, which led to some re-pricing exercises and working with you'll be aware, there were tenants on the site as well, which we had to take account of and that lengthen the programme so similar sort of story but slightly different reasons behind it. It's delays getting on-site, they've increased the prices here

roughly I don't see anybody else indicating questions or Councillor for.

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:58:08

yes, following the comment from Councillor Bolt, I can assure him that

Cllr Eric Firth - 1:58:16

to Lemsip and Mirfield will not be forgotten going forward. but can I ask about a maintenance of these car parks that we do it going forward because he said he would put it in a paddock come towards them who will be responsible going forward, maintained,

yeah at the moment on the car parks that were providing the the rail

Melanie Corcoran - 1:58:39

operator that runs the station is also maintaining the car parks,

I don't know if the project team I've got anything further, to comment on that if there were any anomalies there.

no, there's no novelty start in the three scouting and questioned the the train, operating company will operate and manage the car parks once completed, thank you.

Ms. Kim Cain - 1:58:56

no, I will pass over to Network Rail, I will because it will be part

Melanie Corcoran - 1:59:06

of the operational railway and then they will lease that to the train operator with their contract, so we we that that's why previously we have well up until this point we've always stipulated that the car parks needed to be free of charge because we've gifted the land in effect.

but it's quite a complicated set-up, but at the moment yesterday, the train operators are responsible for the maintenance of of those assets

any further questions.

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 1:59:36

no, so it looks like I'll see this if some books for this, but we accept we're on sites doing these things, so there needs to be completed, so we will recommend that as everybody OK, that's please show.

yes. thank you very much, that is carried, is there anything else on this agenda, there are some approvals there from the Combined Authority which often noting after go over a little bit today, but thank you very much for your patients, and have a good evening, thank you very much, everybody, this meeting is closed,

Cllr Alex Ross-Shaw (Bradford Council)

Bradford Council

Cllr Taj Salam (Bradford Council)

Bradford Council

Cllr Peter Caffrey (Calderdale Council)

Calderdale Council

Cllr Eric Firth (Kirklees Council)

Kirklees Council

Kerry Peters (Northern)

Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)

Interim Director, Transport Operations & Passenger Experience

Luke Albanese, Director of Mass Transit (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)

Director, Mass Transit

West Yorkshire Combined Authority

Melanie Corcoran, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)

Director of Transport Policy & Delivery

West Yorkshire Combined Authority

Simon Warburton, Executive Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)

Executive Director of Transport

West Yorkshire Combined Authority

Cllr Ammar Anwar

Kirklees Council

Ms. Kim Cain

Arriva

Cllr Scott Patient Calderdale Council

Cllr Peter Clarke

Bradford Council

Cllr Oliver Edwards

Leeds City Council

Andrew Fitzpatrick

Cllr Abdul Hannan

Leeds City Council

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair)

Bradford Council

Cllr Colin Hutchinson

Calderdale Council

Ms. Kayleigh Ingham

First Bus

Cllr Armaan Khan

Wakefield Council

Cllr Matthew McLoughlin

Kirklees Council

Cllr Peter Carlill (Deputy Chair) Transport Committee

Leeds City Council

Cllr Matthew Morley Wakefield Council

Wakefield Council

Mr Mick Bunting, Interim Director West Yorkshire Combined Authority

Interim Director, Transport Opertions & Passenger Experience

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Cllr Peter Carlill (Deputy Chair) Transport Committee - 0:00:34

Cllr Peter Carlill (Deputy Chair) Transport Committee - 0:00:40

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:00:44

Cllr Scott Patient - 0:00:55

Cllr Taj Salam (Bradford Council) - 0:01:05

Cllr Colin Hutchinson - 0:01:13

Cllr Alex Ross-Shaw (Bradford Council) - 0:01:16

Cllr Matthew Morley - 0:01:23

Kerry Peters (Northern) - 0:01:34

Darren Allsop (Arriva) - 0:01:39

Melissa Farmer (TransPennine Express) - 0:01:45

Melissa Farmer (TransPennine Express) - 0:01:54

Cllr Peter Clarke - 0:02:16

Kim Cain (Arriva) - 0:02:26

Cllr Ammar Anwar - 0:02:30

Cllr Matthew McLoughlin - 0:02:32

Cllr Oliver Edwards - 0:02:35

Andrew Fitzpatrick - 0:02:41

Mr Mick Bunting - 0:02:49

Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:02:55

Luke Albanese, Director of Mass Transit (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:03:03

Melanie Corcoran - 0:03:12

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:03:22

Cllr Peter Carlill (Deputy Chair) Transport Committee - 0:03:39

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:03:45

2 Declarations of disclosable pecuniary interests

Cllr Taj Salam (Bradford Council) - 0:04:10

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:04:17

3 Exempt information - possible exclusion of the press and public

4 Minutes of the meeting of the Transport Committee held on 27 July 2023

5 Passenger Experience update

Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:05:20

Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:13:29

Andrew Fitzpatrick - 0:13:46

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:22:26

Kerry Peters (Northern) - 0:23:07

Darren Allsop (Arriva) - 0:23:12

Kayleigh Ingham (First Bus) - 0:23:17

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:23:25

Cllr Matthew McLoughlin - 0:23:37

Cllr Colin Hutchinson - 0:23:50

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:24:47

Cllr Matthew Morley - 0:24:55

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:25:26

Cllr Peter Clarke - 0:25:30

Cllr Peter Caffrey (Calderdale Council) - 0:26:57

Cllr Oliver Edwards - 0:27:45

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:28:55

Cllr Eric Firth - 0:28:59

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:30:15

Simon Warburton - 0:30:47

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:31:25

Kim Cain (Arriva) - 0:31:44

George Thomas (TransPennine Express) - 0:31:51

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:34:36

Kim Cain (Arriva) - 0:35:59

George Thomas (TransPennine Express) - 0:36:06

Kayleigh Ingham (First Bus) - 0:36:50

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:36:54

Kayleigh Ingham (First Bus) - 0:36:59

Melissa Farmer (TransPennine Express) - 0:37:04

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:38:15

Dave Haskins, Interim Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:38:30

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:38:34

Kerry Peters (Northern) - 0:38:55

Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe (Chair) - 0:39:47

Kerry Peters (Northern) - 0:40:21

Transport Committee
Tuesday, 19th September 2023 at 3:00pm