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Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair

1 Apologies for absence

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2 Declaration of Disclosable Pecuniary Interests

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3 Exempt Information - Possible Exclusion of the Press and Public

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4 Minutes of the Meeting held on 21 March 2023

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Item 4 - DRAFT Climate, Energy and Environment Committee 21 March 2023 - Minutes

5 Chair's Update

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Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative)
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Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council)

4 Minutes of the Meeting held on 21 March 2023

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Item 4 - DRAFT Climate, Energy and Environment Committee 21 March 2023 - Minutes

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Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative)

6 Governance Arrangements

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Richard Goodfellow (Private Sector Representative)
Mr Mark Wilkinson, Advisory Representative (The Environment Agency)
Justin Wilson, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Michelle Hunter, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership)
Mr Neil Whalley, Advisory Representative (Northern Gas Networks)
Leah Stuart (Private Sector Representative)
John Clark (Private Sector Representative)
Cllr Scott Patient Calderdale Council
Cllr Jack Hemingway (Wakefield Council)
Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair

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6 Governance Arrangements

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7 Monitoring Indicators

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Leah Stuart (Private Sector Representative)
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Richard Goodfellow (Private Sector Representative)
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid)
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Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership)
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Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative)
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8 Local Energy

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Item 8 - Local Energy

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Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative)
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Mr Neil Whalley, Advisory Representative (Northern Gas Networks)
Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership)
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Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership)
Richard Goodfellow (Private Sector Representative)
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid)
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Mr Neil Whalley, Advisory Representative (Northern Gas Networks)
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Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council)
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Noel Collings, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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Noel Collings, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative)
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Cllr Jenny Kent
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9 Project Approvals

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10 Better Homes Hub

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Item 10 - Better Homes Hub

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Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative)
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Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council)
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Noel Collings, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)

11 Green Skills

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10 Better Homes Hub

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Item 10 - Better Homes Hub

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Michelle Hunter, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)

11 Green Skills

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12 Climate Pledge Update

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Item 12 - Climate Pledge Update

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11 Green Skills

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12 Climate Pledge Update

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Item 12 - Climate Pledge Update

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13 Date of the Next Meeting

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Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:00:19

thank you very much and thank you to all of you attending and those watching online and apologies for the slightly late start to this committee, we were just waiting for one or two people to make it in my name is Councillor Jane Scullion and and the leader of coded all Council and I will be cheering this committee. and this is my first committee, so I'd be grateful if you would all be very kind and generous,

I'd be very grateful, thank you, I'm looking forward to a tremendously

1 Apologies for absence

shall we press on with the agenda then folks apologies for absence is the first item and I don't know whether I read the moat miles or he read them out

shadows apologies for

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:01:00

Greg Dodd, Councillor Sarah Farrelly Richard Goodfellow and Jenny Longley,

thank you,

thank you very much

and I'm really pleased to see representatives of the DA news at this meeting actually excellent, thank you.

let me move on, then, if I may,

to the lovely.

2 Declaration of Disposable Pecuniary Interests

very nicely titled item on the agenda and hadn't anybody else other than me has picked this up, it says declaration of disposable pecuniary interests. I don't think pecuniary interests are very easy to dispose of, and so therefore I would like any disclosable pecuniary interests to be declared if there's any matter on the agenda in which you have a personal pecuniary interest that you think the committee should know about then please so declare.

no, OK, thank you very much

disposable discussable

if officers

could not let in future.

thank you.

ITEM 3, then committee

exempt information, possibly scion of the press and public, I'm informed by officers, there are no items on this agenda. that come into that category

so we move on to dispose of the business item 4 minutes of the meeting held on the 21 of March 2023, I was not myself at that meeting, of course.

and so I must ask the meeting to to review and agree, and I think then Gideon, you have been kind enough to.

do the necessary, and so are members of the committee content, to agree these as a correct record of the meeting.

thank you very much.

and before we go on to Item 5, the chairs.

please. for just

3 Exempt Information - Possible Exclusion of the Press and Public

4 Minutes of the Meeting held on 21 March 2023

5 Chair's Update

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:02:58

one point, in terms of page 8, I think we should have E PCs not ease cps in.

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:03:03

just before the result suggested type, I don't know if you want to pick that up and

just sort of confuses about yeah.

thank you.

4 Minutes of the Meeting held on 21 March 2023

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:03:20

thank you just wanted to ask the question on page 5, where it says

Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 0:03:25

that a query was made about the initiative, the and this is the solar panels initiative and how it would impact the bus station in Wakefield, and Huddersfield and officers were going to investigate and provide feedback, I wonder if that's happened.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:03:42

Lewis, would you like to just quickly update us on that

thanks it's a really good question, I thought the officer might have done it directly, but if they haven't, then

we'll do so, thank you picking that up will take that away.

Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:03:51

thank you anything else, so in the minutes that people want to mention, I was pleased to see in the minutes that the officers were

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:04:03

reminded about using CO2 e rather than CEO, to read and to be consistent in their usage of that and we need to keep that in mind and documents thank you.

and before we go on to Item 5 Chairs, update and I've just got a small number of things to say or wonder if we could or not will take some time, but for my benefit, if we could go round the table and

5 Chair's Update

do some introductions, I'm not particularly want to to welcome any new members and or think it's just Councillor Jenny Kent.

there is a

thank you, I heard from your leader that you had been appointed to this committee, so you're very welcome,

OK, shall we start on this site ground?

thank you, as I am listening to the director of eating environment and place, and I I'll take this opportunity, as I usually do at the start

Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:05:02

of committees that we use the microphone and for those of you who are new because then the camera spans to you when it's on, so please do remember to kind of use it and turn it off again, just do minder, thank you

after no no calling so I'm pulsing Manager for next year and energy at the Combined Authority.

Mr Noel Collings, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:05:23

hi, everybody and Kate said, I am Councillor from Leeds to council.

no run on Gideon

Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 0:05:27

Richards, on the private sector member,

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:05:30

with a specialty in sustainability

6 Governance Arrangements

and renewable energy.

hello, I've won, I'm Councillor, Danny Kennedy from York, joint Exec member for the environment and climate emergency.

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:05:44

Richard Goodfellow (Private Sector Representative) - 0:05:48

Good afternoon, Jim Cardwell award for Northern Powergrid I'm involved in

making sure we can get people connected with all their low carbon energy.

Good afternoon on Matt Wilkinson, I'm a Flood Risk Management

Mr Mark Wilkinson, Advisory Representative (The Environment Agency) - 0:06:01

seemingly from the Environment Agency.

everyone Justin Wilson policy manager, environment and infrastructure

Justin Wilson, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:06:09

at the Combined Authority.

Michelle Hunter, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:06:15

afternoon everyone and Michelle bans them from the Combined Authority in a programmes element for employment and skills.

hello at pap, research team at the Combined Authority.

Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:06:25

Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership) - 0:06:30

Good afternoon I Martin broadest, I'm here on behalf of the West Yorkshire Housing Partnership, which is the partnership of 14 larger social housing providers who, between us, provide 180,000 homes in West Yorkshire.

Good afternoon, Amna Whalley, head of environment sustainability,

Mr Neil Whalley, Advisory Representative (Northern Gas Networks) - 0:06:48

Northern Gas Networks I made as a alternate for Greg Dot today.

hello, everyone, my name's Leah Stewart and private sector

Leah Stuart (Private Sector Representative) - 0:06:57

representative, I'm a consulting, civil and civil engineer and transport planner and a director at civic engineers who are leads business.

hello, everybody, I'm John Clarke, and I am also a private

John Clark (Private Sector Representative) - 0:07:14

sector representative, I work for Cummings, I lead that engineering organisation in their business based in Huddersfield.

Cllr Scott Patient - 0:07:29

hi everyone Scott, patient and Cabinet Member for climate action, active travel and housing Calderdale council.

after nearly at 1 a.m. Jack Hemingway Deputy Whip for Council and

Cllr Jack Hemingway (Wakefield Council) - 0:07:38

Cabinet Member for Environment

thank you all, and despite how many of you, I already know of already

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:07:50

and identified the reprobates and the the hecklers and the troublemakers not just looking at Calderdale councillor as either.

let me move on to just say a little bit about.

and the chairs brief, and I wanted to Percival to say a little bit about progress

5 Chair's Update

in developing schemes that have been identified in the climate environment plan,

there has been allocations of funding for the better homes hub, the green skills and better hip neighborhoods programmes.

and that's significant, because I think one of the things that perhaps has been discussed in the past is

the difficulty of getting a bit of both pace and skill into the work of this committee and getting that money out of door out of the door so that can actually begin to do things and test things and develop things

and pilot things

is really important for this committee in terms of the base better neighborhoods and this will actually be launched to communities next week so watch out for that. and item 12 on this agenda under the climate pledge update will be some more information about some of these schemes.

the second thing I wanted to say was that, and some of you on this committee may well have had similar lobbying letters, people have written to me or hearing about my my new chair of this committee, basically asking for the committee to undertake some basic carbon literacy training.

and at first sight that seems like a really attractive prospect, but then I look round at the illustrious people on this committee

and I realise that actually there's probably an extraordinary amount of knowledge

level of knowledge already in this committee there are probably people who could run such sessions. there are probably people who are grappling with some of the things that this committee gets involved in for the first time.

so I wonder if the committee would like us to consider the best way to upskill both members of this committee and officers.

and we wondered whether members might be open to completing just a short survey of

confidence levels or getting you've got knowledge and experience levels in some particular areas, anonymously, of course, so that we've just got a sense of actually where are the strengths while the gaps that need to be filled, because I'm really don't want us to waste money on basic carbon literacy, training for a number of people around this room. So I just wondered if what the reflections of the committee were in terms of doing a survey anonymously and just taking that and trying to design either something or a set of somethings set of three things that I, she would just bring up people up to a level that was perhaps the right one for this committee at this time, not saying that's a one or five, but what do people think about a survey

I was just going to say, does it need to be anonymous because out, I

Leah Stuart (Private Sector Representative) - 0:11:06

think of my I've set up a school governor thing and you do a skills audit as part of that, and I think sometimes that is quite a useful thing to understand the skills and be be open about it as well.

thoughts

Katie

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:11:24

well that that's kind of similar point to the one I was going to make, but also

Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 0:11:28

if it's anonymous, does it not make it more difficult to fill gaps?

M Jones

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:11:42

the reason why myself and officers, when we discussed it wander off was enormous, because if somebody was to say, for example,

I'm very hazy on different types of hydrogen. no sort of her is, is this a confession that?

you know, people feel comfortable, making two officers, I mean, the analysis, of course, would be the analysis of everybody in the committee's, I suppose, anonymous in that sense, but I guess the officers would know where things were coming from and people could also say a really need, I really need an in-depth thing on hydrogen and just shooting that with.

people happy for the results to be a normalised and therefore advice in terms of where might be best to pitch. what we need to do as a committee people are happy with the principle, first of all that we're going to undertake some training

and, secondly, that will lead to the officers to to work on on what the audit might be the survey might be and thirdly, that people are fine to obviously give their details to officers in terms of particular areas they might

might like to work on or indeed can offer

and that the results will come back to this committee anonymously

Gideon.

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:13:08

Can I just thinking from a private-sector

point of view and I've been in the Committee for about a year now.

still sometimes get my head round the financial sides of it as well, so maybe we could think about the way the financial streams and things like that and how they fit, as well as just the technological ones,

thank you.

can I just check my understanding on that?

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:13:34

do you mean the different financial streams and the there are many

that the Combined Authority has that we are often ticking through the assurance process?

or do you mean more widely than that streams available outside the Combined Authority

I'm thinking mainly within, but if there's anything outside that at

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:14:00

impact on what we're doing, then that would be helpful as well, sometimes

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:14:07

I like like that very much actually I think.

the sheer every single profession and specialism and trade has its own set of initials

and.

I think particularly

choose my words with care, Liz, particularly within the Combined Authority.

there is a proliferation of initials particularly front for funding schemes, let's to take that on board and see how we might fit that too.

cancer patient thought,

thank you.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:14:44

I think I think it so I think it's a good idea,

Cllr Scott Patient - 0:14:49

I'm guessing as well, aside from that, one and ominous results might might throw up some things, but I wonder if this may or may not happen already but for new members and whether that's members elected members or other people aside what we're doing in the way of induction like are we offering a here's where we are, you know, sort of quick and dirty like one or two. She's his here's, where, up to so far, here's what we've delivered, and here the projects in motion that we're just able to hand out to people. I think how I would hope, and I I've found that if I ask any questions on anything, it's not clear. Wicker officers have been pretty good at coming back to me and so filling the gap since or just to let people be aware that that's

another avenue, you can perhaps fill some knowledge gaps, but just in terms of that inductions of what happens, because I know we'll all be supportive as elected members in our in our authorities, by officers and stuff, but how is that happening on a sub-regional level?

and thank you for the return. Induction Alex see a wide level, so I

Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:15:52

hope I mean, hopefully, Councillor Kent, you were invited and there's a couple of hours with often it's are MD and our government services colleagues who talk about the combined authority and the committees,

but I think in in in specifically about the the content of this committee. I was actually going to have a conversation with you afterwards to see what you might what you might want, so it's not. We don't have anything off the shelf but is but I recognise and have had conversations with people previously, and I think he knew mentioned it that we haven't probably in the past, done as much as we can to help the members

so I'm happy to take suggestions if it's a con and will have to have conversations, and we can get a group of new Members together to bring up speed, hopefully the pledge paper at the end of the pack actually is probably the best, the best run-through of what what we're where things are at but yeah happy to to to to be able to take ideas particularly as obviously we got a new member today and will have another new member as unseen become later on the agenda

in the autumn.

thank you are not so useful suggestion about item 12, because there's a bewildering list of things that have have gone through.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:16:55

let me just move on in terms of the church report item, to say thank you to the previous Chair and Deputy Chair, Councillor Tim Swift, right from the inception of this committee, unfortunately period of ill health meant he couldn't attend as many as he might do, I think if we could record our thanks for his work and Mark Roberts who's really held the fort as Deputy

and is standing down her Stopes 2 done from the LEP.

really, we're very grateful for his work and able to record our thanks,

and we've mentioned genius, as the new new representative also wanted, to mention as a final point, that the environment agencies represented to four formally changed from Jenny Longley to Jenny Cook.

from the October 2023 meeting, I'm afraid it can be you Mark because your name is not Jenny, clearly that's the criteria for the Environment Agency representative.

and I think that's all I need to say on the on the agenda for the chairs report

if I could move on then to the next item on the agenda.

and that's the governance arrangements, and I think that's shoeless

6 Governance Arrangements

thank you, this is a fairly short update and you've covered quite a lot of the memetic claims already Chair.

Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:18:23

so this is the the digital paper that we bring after we've had the idea of a Combined Authority, it confirms that committee arrangements for the coming year, I think one thing to note and to highlight from the paper is that, as you mentioned, Mark Roberts has stepped down there is recruitment going on at the moment for further LEP Board membership and at that point will then be able to come back to the Deputy Chair for this meeting,

but that's it's. The recommendation is to note the arrangements as approved by the Combined Authority earlier this year.

thank you, can I just say a little bit about the Deputy Chair

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:18:53

arrangements, because you would expect, at the beginning of the cycle of meetings at the beginning of the municipal year you would appoint a Deputy Chair and the LEP, the Local Enterprise Partnership and the government has decided that LEPs should be one done and that they should not quite sure what the right wording is folded into the combined authority structures

and also the period of a term of office of some of our LEP representatives is coming to an end and the Combined Authority are in the middle of recruiting for new members

or so because of all those things.

it's suggested that we don't appoint a Deputy Chair, which you'll see from the terms of reference attached as an appendix that we don't appoint a Deputy Chair

if, for some reason, I was not able to come to.

admitting while we're in that that interim period, you would have to decide between yourselves who would take the chair for the meeting,

but I don't think that's too onerous task, I think you may well be well be able to manage that and I don't intend to miss any meeting, so I just wanted to point that out, so although we

haven't got to Deputy

Chair formally,

nonetheless, I think we're covered

any questions on item 6 on the governance arrangements.

Jack,

thank you, Chair Mike, my only question, really was in terms of page 17, item 4, that the lie is on with the other committees and or that's

Cllr Jack Hemingway (Wakefield Council) - 0:20:34

something that this committee discussed before and the strength of the arrangements there I just wondered.

if officers might go into a bit more detail as to how we see that layers on working between the various committees,

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:20:49

thank you Ann, and as this will tell you as one of my first questions actually and in taking up this role and in getting briefing because I have sat on five of the

Combined Authority's other committees

and I think it's a very good question really and in terms of both four and five and particularly is on with the Place Regeneration and Housing Committee and I think it's something we as a committee not just the officers could certainly give some consideration to

over two years.

thank you, there is no question

so as as you'll see on the agenda today, there's, it is a good

Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:21:25

example, with Michelle Hunter, being here to talk about skills, that is a piece of work that the employment and skills committee has led on but we've been but we recognise the importance of this committee's input into that so we do try across our across our our piece to take.

topics which may lead be led by other committees, but ensure that you have the opportunity to input transport is another one. We don't have transport on the agenda today, but we have in the past had specific transport papers and again happy to bring that forward. There was a conversation that we had

just recently about the the local transport plan that's in development and ensuring you have input. So as such, that's a couple of examples where we would expect to bring things here, even if another committee might be leaning on it, if you felt that there was an opportunity to do something jointly with other Committees, we could do that, so we have in the past had some private workshops that we've maybe had at the end of these meetings which help with IRIS, but if there was something that you felt there was a topic that it would be better to have something jointly, then we can discuss with the Chair and the Chair of the Committee and do some more that those lines, if there are other ways that you think we could do this without trying to add lots of papers for you to read, then you know we are always open to suggestions, but that there's a few people

thank you Jack,

and thank you for the question Councillor, because I think it's

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:22:49

something that we do need to give a bit of thought to and

sitting. I've sat on the transport committee and the place regeneration housing committee and the finance and resources committee,

and I have to say that

vital to the work of those committees is act. She there perhaps wasn't as much weight and heft in terms of the understanding of the important work that the climate, energy and environment committee does, it would be nice to see some of those things interacting much more strongly

getting

yeah, thank you and thanks for the question yet because it's something

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:23:30

I've mentioned before I do a lot of international standardization work and we have liaison with other committees deliberately for this reason, so it's a two way communication. and while it might put a bit of onus on some people that it's up to them to decide whether they can take that on or not, I think it's a really important part, we are so cross-cutting on everything that we really need to understand exactly what everyone else is doing and how they've been thinking about the issues

because otherwise we might find that yeah, we get a paper and then suddenly we'll have that work, so I would I would recommend from my experience that if we can do it that we have formal liaison with every every committee,

I think officers have noted that nothing, well,

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:24:23

that's the takeaway in terms of coming back to us and with some plans about how we might do those things, thank you, thank you.

yeah just very briefly,

Cllr Scott Patient - 0:24:37

really endorse those points, but side from that just kind of wondering who might be missing from this group and really thinking about complete groups or no put in so well, one certainly look upon his appoint a specific request and that's the

regional youth climate Assembly, who I know have you know, successfully embedded themselves in other groups, whether it's local authorities or you know metro areas, certainly in our area and college, all they've been a key voice in making sure that young young people's voices are represented and also the NHS as well, I know they've got strong representation on the Yorkshire and Humber climate, commission and stuff, and so have to those interactions were we able to make some that we've got a really strong, you know Avengers team here on the table, but could it be even stronger to fight the next bell?

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:25:28

and afraid, modern film references have rather lost to me, cancer patient.

Andrew

Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 0:25:38

but I think that neither aspect is how local government as a whole. liaises with national government and we've got the local net-zero forum, which is about due to meet again,

I think that some valuable input that we could provide to those sort of organisations, so I mean, for instance, government, has recently cut funding to local partnerships, a company that is established by the LGA and provides,

it provides some benchmarking tools which we can use on a variety of emissions for different sectors that you deal with, and that's thrown a bit of a spanner in the works, so that's

that's something that we could very well express an opinion on and feed into, things like the local net-zero for

think we really ought to be king into the.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:26:33

OK, thank you for that, Andrew and we've got.

some thoughts on possible linkages in terms of

Health people engaged in this area in terms of youth and climate change.

very pertinent point from Andrew in terms of

just looking at the different levels of this discussion, and particularly.

both regional and national government level.

I don't want to retread round a discussion that we've had around this table before and want to come to the officers just for a bit of history and reflection on that.

quite. I think the

Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:27:22

there is always opportunity to invite more many more Cam members ran the round at the table, but ensuring that there is still a very good conversation to be had.

I think Chair you did ask or asked about health from the when we met,

there is an agreement with the integrated care board,

with our with the Combined Authority, and we've appointed an internal person to help us with the the wider determinants of health across our pieces of work.

So there's maybe a topic to come back to in terms of in terms of this,

this committee, there was also an agreement between the integrated care board that there the Chair would sit on one of the committees at the moment that was decided that the Chair would sit on the place committee. It could easily have sat on, probably all all of our committees. Given the relationship between health and transport, health and skills health, so there was it was, it was quite a

yeah, a difficult decision, but with a possibly with the prospect, then as if it may be expanding with maybe other colleagues from the ICB attending other meetings, but that was the rightly or wrongly the kind of the the original decision on on health, but we should certainly be playing in the detail right in terms of health into the things that we are thinking about as a really good challenge. and I think also helped us make the case for many of the projects that we're trying to do and young people can we take that offline, something we haven't really talked before about how we want to engage with it with the wider group of people and whether it's committee members or whether there's an opportunity for you as committee members to engage differently with other groups because I don't think one Councillor could be quite wrong that we have as a committee engaged with the the Local net-zero forum formerly,

about two or three times,

so that's the

key body which is supposed to be.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:29:14

OK, if the committee are content, then I'm going to ask the officers, don't she take that as an action and to go away and come up with some suggestions?

in preparation for this committee I did read

past 2 years minutes and I think warnings should be issued to any young person coming to this committee that

there is a lot of the administrative business to be got through.

you've got that, then there's thank you. I'm conscious, folks, that

item 6 as the first substantive item on the agenda, and we spent a little time at it, expected to be such a such a an interesting debating item, and I wonder if we could perhaps note that

recommendation there to not the governance arrangements. and to move on to the next item

thank you.

7 Monitoring Indicators

the next item is monitoring indicators and I think Peter you're going to take us through this item.

thank you Chair. so this paper is primarily for information, the

Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:30:21

background to it is that the committee pre agreed at a previous meeting, but we will provide an update to the committee on headline state, the region indicators as new data becomes available and featured within the that basket of indicators. indicators relating to greenhouse gas emissions, so the official the latest official statistics for 2021 local emissions were published on June 30th,

so we provide and provide an analysis which an analysis which is set out in the paper on page 21 and it's accompanied by an index on page 27 so in terms of the analysis if limited to headlines because information became, available only immediately before the publication of the committee papers, but we thought it be useful for the Committee to have these information in a timely fashion,

and so what we were able to do was to also wish to update the analysis of emissions trends, the emissions trend relative to the carbon emissions pathways, so that's included

in terms of the headline results briefly briefly to run through those.

As expected, emissions increased in West Yorkshire and nationally during 2021 compared with 2020 as the economy reopened. However, those emissions remained 5% below the 2019 level in West Yorkshire. All broad sectors of the economy saw an increase in emissions with the industry and commercial sectors, making the biggest contribution to the net increase.

The transport sector saw bodies growth of 3% between 2020 and 2021 and it remains well below the 29 2019 level of emissions

it's also worth noting that provisional UK data for 2022 has been or is available, and that shows a reduction over the 21 to 22 period, and it seems highly likely that West Yorkshire will perform similarly when we get the next set of local data.

when that's published next year, it's on page 32 of your pack, there is a chat that plots the West Yorkshire emissions, updated West Yorkshire emissions trend against the carbon emission pathways and it shows that in 2020 emissions were tracking well below the various pathways due to the impact of the pandemic.

due to the subsequent subsequent increase, the date to point for 2021 places, emissions somewhere between the baseline and the various pathways and, as you can see from the chat of four of these lines, are still close together at this early point in the series, so the overall messages that we still face a huge challenge obviously in terms of emissions reduction, you may also have noted that the various pathways presented in the chat don't lead to net 0 by 2038.

I was mentioned in the paper further work is underway to address this as part of refreshment of the pathway study,

so so that's back to you, Chair, thank you.

thank you before you open for an for the questions, can I just

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:33:32

ask a little bit for my own clarification in terms of,

as always, the problem in terms of data and in terms of data time-lag, and we're looking at pre pandemic levels and you know, are where our baseline is, and so on, in terms of

the data that we're looking at today, this here in front of us, just understanding the actual time lag, and how close we get once we're worked through the pandemic pandemic period, how close we get to more

more pertinent, more up-to-date data or are we, doomed doomed to bass, basically have a two year lag,

I'm afraid, would do to a laggard at the current time, so of the date

Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:34:21

of 2021, obviously that is effectively two years out of date compared with the period that,

the dresses and the UK level data is is one year out day the provisional release from that date, so we do have a more up-to-date picture of the UK trends.

and

to be honest, the the West, Yorkshire and UK trends mirror each other quite closely, so we can use that to get a more up-to-date picture, but in terms of a definitive picture for West Yorkshire

absent doing some kind of muddling ourselves is

under current arrangements to we to ease out of day effectively.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:35:05

thank you and dunes come into this, I'll under.

Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 0:35:10

I just wonder what they with the new figures could come through, I think we're probably going to see a big dip going down related to energy price rises. some wondering whether we gonna be able to separate out behaviour change, my behaviour certainly changed as a result of energy price rises, I thought it's pretty good but become a bit of a Nazi, the house with the the energy use, but

I'm just wondering if we are and this can be a way we could actually so work that out in terms of what's the result of activity in terms of improving homes,

yeah generation and what's actually down to people themselves and their usage.

actually that should be straightforward, because it's about usage,

Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 0:35:54

isn't it actually know, isn't straightforward,

thank you, we're all doing this can calculations cold winter

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:36:02

postponed, deny bought bought and Peter response to that, please

I make an interesting question.

Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:36:08

I suspect that the the the the people produce a statistics may be able to factor something into that, so at the moment, for example, they do produce a temperature adjusted figures to take account of the fact that there are fluctuations in in temperature and in fact 2022 was,

temperatures were quite high so that that has an impact on energy usage, so hopefully they will, there will be the potential to sort, modelling those energy price increases and the impact on on behaviour, certainly there are there are data available that show

so the impact of consumer behaviour or usage of energy based on based on their based on increased prices so I think, Even if the government can't do that, then I think there's potential for us to do something at local level to dry may not, so I just think it is a question that everybody will be asking Basel

100

easing foreign policy terms, because how how much of that is

Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 0:37:06

due to things that we and others have done to improve homes or whatever and how much of that down just to price pressure

I think the into because we can't pat ourselves on the back for for Rome. people just improving their behavior or, out of necessity, reducing the energy use they've got so.

that

I think is quite important.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:37:35

and before I bring Peter back in and just just take Martin, please.

Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership) - 0:37:42

yeah, just on the trad domestic consumption, but in the two points Andrews making together about

people using less because of prices, but also the impact of

insulation and reducing usage, I think the reality is putting those two together,

insulation will have had an impact on for most people on comfort levels,

but it means their money goes bit further, it doesn't actually means they spend much less on energy because

I think most people now to a degree, manage the amount of energy they are using in their homes

to a greater or lesser extent, and certainly in the social housing sector. an awful lot of people

only put heating on when they can afford it.

Neil

Ye, from Northern Gas Networks, fair point of view, whether gas

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:38:32

distribution network, this region, we've just run our on your

Mr Neil Whalley, Advisory Representative (Northern Gas Networks) - 0:38:36

calculations, annual gas throughput through the network, was down that it was 10 to 12%, which is a lot more than we were expecting and

we're still drilling down into the numbers but we think we think it's consumer baby lead.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:38:53

which is what Andrew can probably confirm or say in time, but we are either it is, it is difficult really in this kind of statistical longitude, no study, and you we've had to factor in, there has been no such thing as a typical year very and so that you know

keep sings early days and I guess the pressure the pushback to the officers who are collecting the statistics acquitting them together to give us as a committee picture. is to try and factor in way those different different factors and to

try and push back in terms of where are we make it, where are we making a difference, but it isn't it isn't easy Gideon?

yeah thanks.

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:39:40

we're talking about a majority

of this is consumer behaviour,

what we really need to understand also is that commercial issues as well, I kept talking to a business yesterday. the monthly bill had gone for electricity had gone from 17,000 a month to 74,000 a month. You know we, we really need to understand all of the sides of this to be able to make it a proper first-over, thank you.

yes.

his

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:40:17

Jack eject next and then Jim thank you

Chair. I mean one of the areas. I'd be really interested to see a sort of deep adapt study at some point is around transport missions,

Cllr Jack Hemingway (Wakefield Council) - 0:40:24

because we know we have a big role to play in that as a combined authority, we can, to an extent control some of those those emissions and it's 11% below

pre pandemic levels is what what these figures are showing.

I'm presuming that's gonna spike back up again in the next year's data with cars back on the road, and we know patronage levels of public transport still below where they were at the longer-term trends there in terms of home working or just to know if our policies around buses in particular are coming through and are making a difference whether needs aside. I'd certainly welcome more detailed Foxbase worker and transport emissions if we can do that in the future.

Thank you, I'm just going to let Lee come in because she's desperate

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:41:00

to come in before Jimmy speak

just very quickly on that very stated that you send round quite regularly incurred traffic hasn't gone back up, but that's the kind of

Leah Stuart (Private Sector Representative) - 0:41:10

thing that could feed into something more recent, so it hasn't gone back up to pre pandemic levels. in Leeds particularly, but there are yet.

cheap jibe.

yes, thank you just going to say that one click at a number of

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:41:24

more recent data sources in industry,

Richard Goodfellow (Private Sector Representative) - 0:41:28

for example electricity system operators published this week, is future energy scenarios, and that has details of

Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 0:41:37

estimates or just trying to get onto a can't quite find the right page they've got an estimate of what the cost of living.

crisis has done for electricity use and energy use.

and I'm just looking at some of our data in the same way, Neil was is reporting

and certainly are year to date to the end of June, in the electricity network, this for Yorkshire North East was 4% less than the previous year, so it gives you an indication of that that kind of

yeah and that's across all sectors as beginning in sport it's not just residential.

thank you an.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:42:13

Peter, he once

said just come back in and

summarise, I think officers have got a number of things to go away with and work on further one particular point, the Gideon made about olden energy

sources really, and you use each.

yeah yeah, thank you for that, for that input we can, we can certainly look at the suggestions that have been made. in terms of the looking at the commercial sector and the transport sector in more detail, obviously the transport sector is an area where we've got.

a wide range of information.

and also that the point about all the salt and other information.

Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:42:57

as suggested by Jim McKenna, would be well, we'd welcome any further other further suggestions about those sources, I guess it is quite relevant as as was suggested to bring in sort of proxy indicators as well like sort of travel behaviour with check which we can use either as an input to some modelling or just as an indicator a broad indicator of what's happening in terms of behaviour that influences emissions.

Martin

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:43:26

yeah, I kind of don't

Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership) - 0:43:29

want to miss the opportunity to make the obvious point that

matter, though the the fundamentally the truth, the data shows that we're not picking up your point, made any wrong doing anywhere near enough fast enough big escaping the scar

as a society, I'm not just saying the committee

but all of us,

and that's the fundamental point that I think the report is making.

getting

AAS's funded movie talks

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:43:59

about liaise on earlier is there, something we could do in terms of

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:44:02

the other committees to ask for particular KPI to be monitored through the and fed back to us.

and sure there are this.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:44:15

thanks to each committee like we have, each Committee has its own set of indicators, so Peter, under the something about drawing out some of

Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:44:23

those other committees, indicators to then put into ours whether relevant particularly, I think, on the transport side,

but we might find as a couple of others that are relevant so,

we can always do that, I think he does not have, which is always good sign so yeah, we'll do that,

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:44:39

I think Martin's point is, it is a useful reminder, isn't it and pointed Andrew and others have made about, you know not too much focus on the individual or really having a lens, as a committee on the different levels that we've got to grapple with in terms of individual behaviour in terms of business, in terms of what actually we are concerned with within this particular sub-region of West Yorkshire, and what are the levers we have as a committee and as a Combined Authority, precisely they're attached to it's all very well to the leavers, but what are the sources of funding

and change

that actually we've got some power, so I think, seeing the some of the key indicators from the other committees links back to our previous discussion under the terms of reference,

let's actually see what the levers are, that we have as a Combined Authority,

and what data they are collecting, that actually really bears down on the things that we're discussing here,

thank you, and thank you Peter, thank you for that.

more work to do

and can Members content to note the headlines of that day day to report, thank you. and we'll move on to Item 8, if we may

8 Local Energy

a particular interest of mine, the local area energy plans.

I was at the local government conference

last week and it was mentioned in dispatches a number of times, and I have here a slightly setted copy of the Commondale

initial work on the local area energy plan. I think the results are promised there, but I will not steal Ono's thunder, I hasten to you know, to take us through this particular item.

Mr Noel Collings, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:46:35

Thank you very much Chair. So this purpose, you, you've you've says I'm not going to go through all of it is really concentrating on two very key weak work streams. Far as as a as a committee, the first being as is as Chair of Cabinet mentioned, is the local area energy planning work that we're looking to kick off across West Yorkshire riding on the coat-tails of called deals trailblazing work in the region?

but also to give you a little bit of an update, because I know the committee has asked for this previously

around what we're doing around the hydrogen piece as well, so.

if we start with Canada, the local area energy planning piece, so hopefully you will have a chance to have a quick look at the video that was circulated yesterday, which gives a good overview of cannot the local air energy planning process. So that was for Manchester, but it's as relevant here as it is over there.

So in terms of what we're doing in that space is we're currently working alongside our local authority partners to understand how we move the kind of local area energy plans forward across West Yorkshire. The plan is that we see the value, as a combined authority of local authorities also see that value in in having a local area and is planning gives that strategic overview of what the system looks like going forward and how it should evolve to meet our quite a 2038 target. We have a. It will also look at candidate the where we would look at particular technologies and where there would be prioritised over others and it could also lead to kind of area-based approaches to the delivery of of different technologies, so we're currently in the process of of working with local authorities to work out the options for delivery of that. We have an indicative half million pounds that is being allocated to this process and we are going through internal assurance to to secure that funding, but alongside that we are having conversations had won just before this meeting. Gym related to not power grids, involvement and interface with that we also have a conversation letter this week and offered them to understand their role in in the local area and the planning side of things as well.

in terms of procurement, we're looking at a number of kind of options on on how we do that, whether we do that centralised as a as a Combined Authority on behalf of the four local authorities which, and I currently aren't in the process of doing their local area plans and or we could add each individual local authority could run with that themselves, so we're currently in that process at the moment of working that out.

in terms of hydrogen, so just to to count a reference we're about to commission a piece of work which is about a hydrogen use care, so the role of this piece of work is really to understand that a little bit of a gap that we have in terms of what is the EU's cares for hydrogen within West Yorkshire and we would use this as a way of actually setting a policy position in terms of hydrogen within West Yorkshire.

at the moment we feel as though we probably don't and able to can to steer the conversation when it comes to hydrogen in a particular direction,

so this work will give us a little bit of well, it will give us the evidence base from which we can set a policy position tens of the interface with the local area energy planning that will give us the hydrogen can development of the local area energy plans.

the in terms of probably that's probably as much as I wanted to say in terms of the work. on locally arranged plans and the hydrogen use cares, and there are kind of a couple of questions that we wanted to pose to the committee in terms of how the committee would like to be involved in terms of the local energy planning, development and the hydrogen use cares and bus collectively and individuals and then there was there's another ask of the committee to to kind of give a kind of a flavour for them of what success looks like for both of the studies and when we get to the end of that process. thank you very much Chair,

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:50:35

thank you no, because just check in terms of the hydrogen use case study, the Combined Authority are just about to.

choose a contractor or issue a tender, where where it may be

sorry to issue a tender, thank you.

Mr Noel Collings, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:50:51

Over to you committee, in terms of those two particular work streams.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:50:55

particular thoughts on whether you particularly like to be involved in the development of of one or the other of them, and also to think about, comes back to a previous discussion about performance, what does success look like really in terms of each of those pieces of work.

it is

OK, thank you very much.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:51:22

a few things yes, look to be involved with looking at this, and also

I have a question about the hydrogen

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:51:29

side of it, because, depending on who you get to do, this will give a very different slant to what the answer will be, and certainly it will probably be different my to my approach depending on who you pick so.

something to think about

the need to make sure that the

the private sector and the commercial able very heavily into this there's a lot of big roof spaces that we can use there's waste to energy and new technologies that are coming on rapidly

as well.

and my final point is that energy isn't about

borders of different local authorities, it really needs to be across the whole piece because it makes sense to do that, and that's from experience of developing wind projects and PV and things like that to bully so they're.

at that we could try and do it as a as a Combined Authority.

thank you Scott,

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:52:41

thank you leader. Yet Gideon's just kind of made Marfa's point there, which is about not doing this in isolation and making sure that

Cllr Scott Patient - 0:52:46

tracked properly because these arbitrary lines if put on or around our local authorities don't mean much, do they actually when, but sometimes they do, but actually when it comes to the geography of it, the other bit, those about local intelligence and governance of sort of this role and I think just really a plea that Wicker should act as a bit of a conduit to make sure that members have access to the leap sort of group

because we know our patches, you know and we know what may or may not be possible in certain places, and if we don't we certainly get representations from people that feel they do or maybe really do not know those sort of areas quite well.

I think what we need to do, though, is to make sure we've got appropriate governance here and that and that needs to track not just here but to Yorkshire leaders and to the mayor's office as well, I think it's going to be a really important piece when we do it together Manchester Salford and some this work I know Calderdale is best at and some of that work, but it's gonna be great that we're doing all these pieces of work but to make sure that it makes sense together is to have as many stakeholders having a piece of it in impossible.

and for be really happy to sort of feed into some.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:53:58

thank you, that's helpful and both those contributions very helpful, I just think when you said Yorkshire leaders, I think he meant West Yorkshire leaders, we also meet you, the Yorkshire and Humber side level, less much less frequently. and I've been attending those meetings, and I can't remember actually anything relating to climate, energy or environment actually coming up on the agenda of those Yorkshire and Humber side level meetings. except maybe once actually, in a discussion about Drax. apart from that, it's not really been a substantive item on agenda, so that's a useful reminder, thank you.

Mr Neil Whalley, Advisory Representative (Northern Gas Networks) - 0:54:42

yes, can I just offer it, Paul Norman guest, not wished about the agin initiative and the local area, and Daley already?

thank you.

Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership) - 0:54:53

a factor on on that point, I was wondering, actually, for no German Neil could say to what extent to you or your organisations mandated

by Ofgem rules or whatever to or obliged to actually get involved in and follow the outcomes of the local area in Japan.

I think there's a separate question in terms of where you mandated and

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:55:17

where actually it's in everybody's interest, ready for you to be involved in to be interested and engaged, but

I'll ask

if I can just say yeah, I know the context of it is you have to

Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership) - 0:55:30

produce five-year plans Röttgen which basically

direct what you're able to do. Is that right, broadly speaking, so I was just interested to know how they overlap with the late the leaps

tended to take. Jim Ferris yeah, let

Richard Goodfellow (Private Sector Representative) - 0:55:44

me come in on a launched question not just for on that specific or just say, like Neil,

we were very supportive local energy plans. We know that they do a lot of use I think, particularly from our perspective, where we've been engaged with them with others and as we are doing with Calderdale and

increasingly with the Combined Authority, we see that the benefit they have in converting ambition and appetite for decarbonisation into the nuts and bolts of exactly what you've got to do, particularly when it's such a challenging thing that society is seeking to do here I think by getting,

I guess your point Scott about getting people around the table and getting people on the same page, that's really important, and then I think where it comes back to I'll start from back Martin, to your your to your question here I mean from a network providers point of view.

I think there's certainly an expectation from our regulator that we get engaged with these local NGO plans,

we don't need a lot of pulling to the table if you like believing in any way.

but we have

a lot of it is about us sharing data, so I guess we were both

Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 0:56:53

supporting and and contributing to them, and also we do see ourselves as a customer of the output as well, but if you know what I mean so there's input and an output as a network,

owner and operator and investor in in the region,

because what we see as the real value in them is that they are feeding into our forecasting and our investment planning for the future we can see where the investments going to be needed.

and

the the the regulatory cycles we go through and the investment planning and the approval of expenditure

that we have gives us gives us kind of an envelope if you like, but then it's really down to a then were then assessed by the energy regulator that we spend efficiently and we spent where it needed, and local energy plans are part of the evidence to demonstrate that that is the case. It's not, it's not the only part of it. You'll understand that this part is one part of it and finally, sorry a bit of a long

ha download, but nothing I just to suggest is as well as the Manchester example, we've got the North Yorkshire regard, which is more local.

You know back to your your point about the being involved in Yorkshire and Humber. I think there's absolutely a need to learn from the engagement done there and say that's definitely been a good practice that the the folks done then in planning a vast swathe from Skipton right across the east coast, so it's a big old area

and they've done some really interesting work there, I think we could learn a lot from that

and collaborating in the same way whatever we do in West Yorkshire as well.

and just good to ask, Neil, do you want to add anything to that?

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:58:30

Mr Neil Whalley, Advisory Representative (Northern Gas Networks) - 0:58:35

no, it were the same regulatory regime or as a Northern Powergrid operating.

then there's the expectation we'll get involved proactively with their local area energy plant, and that's certainly the source we follow.

thank you, Andrew.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:58:52

and on the on the hydrogen stuff, I know this will work going at the University of Sheffield at the advanced manufacturing. the search

Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 0:58:57

centre that we've got there and you think Well actually gonna do some cross boundary work when we work with South Yorkshire and share costs, share learnings, all this, I think so yeah yeah very much in favour of cross boundary working why why not live go and have a chat with with and see what we can do there get more for our money and probably maybe get a better outcome unit.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 0:59:27

no, you like to come back on some of these points, absolutely, thank

you, thank you, Chair, to quite a few to to go out there really

start from the top in terms of what Gideon's points are different

Mr Noel Collings, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:59:38

slant on Hodgson depending on who you get, so we are absolutely aware of that and,

to add to the issue there and actually work are working into the tender document to demonstrate that impartiality in terms of whoever comes through on that one side of things, so we're trying to make sure that we we try and get a little bit of that in in their

we absolutely ref reflects that we do need to not do this in the bubble in terms of the local area, and his plan is we are absolutely X going to be undertaking some quite extensive consumer and stakeholder engagement is an input.

it's a useless document if we don't do that.

in terms of

candid that the hydrogen use case, I should have really said that.

it's part of a wider piece of work that is funded by the north-east and Yorkshire net 0 hub, where a hydrogen study is going to be done for the entirety of the geography which is slap. Bang does include West South Yorkshire as well into that,

and our part of that is a bit more of a deep dive study which could act as a blueprint for how other areas really do the deep dive into how it feeds into local energy planning so going out at much more micro scale rather than the kind of high level whose case can things

and will absolutely have those conversations with North Yorkshire around how we interface with with their work, but also

we can absolutely have the opportunity to just put something into the tender document that requires that that kind of look across to happen.

Thank you Chair,

think you know, you did actually ask is also to consider the question

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:01:26

of what does success look like, and some of the discussion we've had, I think, gives you some indication one of its about geographical integration, business etc

dear nose, etc

understanding knowledge.

can you also, as an officer, say what you what you think some successful outcomes might be?

put me on the spot,

and I suppose from my point of view, I very much see this or that the local area in which plan is a bit of a special plan for energy across

Mr Noel Collings, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:02:03

West Yorkshire, so this gives us the opportunity to be in a position where we are really able to know where different areas particularly appropriate for technology to help with pipeline developments it helps us to overcome.

potential connection problems that we may have, it's helped to those conversations, interactions with the various different dinos, so for me it's it's having a really strategic document that gives us a bit more of a bloop, longer-term blueprint for how the energy system develops within West Yorkshire and how we can all kind of be part of that and in hub.

a little bit more certainty about how things develop and no we can't get complete certainty on that.

thank you, that's good, Andrew,

so, given the spatial elements of it and the wonder whether there's a

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:02:57

real big case was to make links with local plants and say there should be a

specific linkage with local plans with with

and how we would go about that which we would should we do to work, make sure that these plans are take account that local plans take account of this.

there's an interesting one and I think probably needs further pondering by officers within the different bits of the

public sector,

thank you Guardian and then I'm good to pull this item to a close.

thank you. two things one as looking at the Manchester.

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 1:03:36

the link Lewis will given

it, it makes me question who's it for I ran a microgeneration certification scheme for 10 years between government and industry and it really jumps out that it's it doesn't feel like it's for the consumer, a feels very much like it's for the traders and I wonder how that will sit with. with the

the overall constituents,

if a lot of money goes into that and it doesn't actually deliver for them, the other part of this, I think, is also that.

we need to think about all aspects of energy back in 2007 we wrote a report for the Yorkshire and Humber Assembly, as was going to be.

about energy and what we should do in terms of renewable energy and becoming a centre of excellence across the piece, but there's no skills required requirements, that is, you know, what we're actually going to use it for there's a whole raft of things that we need to put into this if we're going to make it a meaningful document, thank you

Scott

thank you, and I just very briefly, it's always worth pulling this

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:04:58

back to the human element, isn't it and making sure

what the end of this looks like for the for the user, and so I think we need to make sure, right from the beginning, that we use in framing in terms of the what this means about social benefits in action, this goes back to Andrew talk about you, I know you're not in isolation changing habits about how you've used hitting and stuffing your home because actually, the reason we want to do this is to move away from

being beholden to fossil fuels and have been on more renewables in all of our communities

security.

I think the general point about translation, baby and communication Jenny just

Cllr Jenny Kent - 1:05:39

to second what Scott said so York produced her draft local area energy plan at the beginning of this year.

and the problem for two things, one as you allude to the doesn't match up to the local plan, so we're already in problems, so there are areas have been identified as suitable when which are excluded from our local plan, so you know I think they should have combined forces but to it didn't it took no notice of modal shift at all so and we've come up with some really eye-watering figures about you know how many thousand heat pumps we've got to install each year

but not taking any account of the fact that we need to reduce emissions through transport and modal shift, and in other ways, and and it's really incomplete, please, even though it was, it took a long time and a lot of money.

but what you're describing genuine others in the committee is the

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:06:22

messiness of policy conflict, really and one time

a time lag and levels, national and regional and individual levels rate, and that's what we grapple with, and that's what I think in some ways we're trying to do a Combined authorities take some of these things and try and make them make sense on the ground if it was easy we will be here, would we

thank you

and good to.

ask Noel if there's anything, he wants to say in

in conclusion whether you've got enough there to go out and also congratulate Noel on being the first to engage in extreme flattery if the Chair in his introduction always successful in the public sector, I think.

thank you

no just just

9 Project Approvals

kind of welcome the comments that everybody's got admired and.

Mr Noel Collings, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:07:15

just to thank you in advance for kind of any inputs, apart from the provision that you do for this process, because. no, it won't be just about, was working in isolation. To do this, you know it will be a success if we involve everyone on this table and and others from from across West Yorkshire. So thank you Chair,

I think actually the committee are looking forward to both these

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:07:37

pieces of work as she is trying to make sense of things if we could move on, then folks, to item 9 project approvals and have to say that if I was to do Mastermind this would be my special subject, so I'm not going to say anything further on the area of flooding and I'll leave it to Justin

thank you, Chair,

Justin Wilson, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:08:00

OK, so I'll give you a walk through of the first item on this this report and that's the capital flood risk management instructor programme,

I think in terms of context, just to set the scene across West Yorkshire, we've got just under 40,000 residential properties and around 13,000 commercial properties that within a flood zone and obviously that's as a result of the change that's gonna get.

things can become more frequent and potentially more severe as well

in terms of the programme that seeking approval for misreading Glan perspective,

he contributes to the West Yorkshire investment strategy meetings and investment priority 3, she's delivering great places and accelerated infrastructure and also privacy for which relates to clients the climate emergency. and is also struggling with the demands pledges, and also it should be recognised that the flood mitigation was part of the current development plan and

members did process that as one of the way one proposals as well. So it's something would see action of indie in the short term. Think in terms of the programme itself, yeah I think some signs that it has been developed in partnership with the A and R partner authorities and some of our delivery partners as well, and colleagues in the air here today, and the Latin words in a second

in terms of the overall programme itself, is 23 schemes across three phases

and they've been phased

broadly and based on the scale of actual development, to the how, when how there are what they are and also their deliverability, and will touch on that in the second, I think in terms of the overall level of outputs from the programme across the whole 23 schemes, looking at improving them for protection to over 2 m two and a half thousand homes and just over 2,200 businesses as well. So it's got quite a significant impact overall

in terms of the papers, the paragraph 4 4 10 does outline the full list of 23 schemes and the proposed phasing,

and there is just a small correction to make

the phase 3 schemes so just to now that it should list the Keighley and Stockbridge flood alleviation scheme in Bradford, providing enhance protection to 460 homes and 290 businesses and, as a separate scheme, the the Batley Beck scheme in Kirklees and that lives protections 21 homes and 63 businesses so that the text is slightly muddled barebones to clarify that point.

and also in the gender part, there is a plan on page 69 they're just illustrates that across the whole programme, 23 schemes across 3,000 there is a spread of schemes across the borough across the region

and he showed the Planet Soul shows in red the actual benefit areas that shows a lot the communities that would,

receive enhanced protection through delivery of this programme, and for grant funding or rates one, the costs are just pass out to Matt Wilkinson from the EEA is can give us a few as well the process went through in collaboration.

thank you Mark.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:11:03

yeah, thank you, Justin, I must admit my heart skipped to be unnoticed

Mr Mark Wilkinson, Advisory Representative (The Environment Agency) - 1:11:09

key for those missing from their the purpose, sir, thank you for clarifying that's much appreciated

some Matt Wilkinson, I'm flood risk, Nigel and seemingly from the Environment Agency.

just going to give a very brief background to the wide capital programmes, give this some context, and also Members here will be mob in whether app ref, hankies useless, keep up that ground and just talk a little bit about the punish it working as well.

so there there is a wider flood risk

management capital programme for West Yorkshire.

there's around 130 projects within that programme that align with the One Time skills, not just in sort of provided an overview in the paper those projects.

I think all in West Yorkshire delivered by either the Environment Agency or a local authority, and the other side of that programme is by the Regional Flood and coastal Committee RFCC which is chaired by Colin Melis.

the the programme itself follows a partnership funding policy, so essentially, projects in that programme will have some eligible funding from government called flood defence Grant-in-Aid, and that is based on the benefits that scheme provides,

I think it's a further statement to make that. the majority, if not all, of the projects in that programme, require further funding, so the eligible funding

from government for flood risk management, flood defence Grant-in-Aid, will will partly meet the cost of the scheme, but he must seek contributions from the public or private sector to meet the full cost of the schemes.

the the paper, if you notice in free point 11, talked about we have worked with the Combined Authority in the past and received 20 million pounds.

for our previous programme.

I think it's fair to say that the that contribution from the Combined Authority was essentially

the final piece of the jigsaw to to deliver those projects and those projects within that previous programme of whole being delivered.

as Justin Justin mentioned this, this has been developed

in cost collaboration, so we've built from that relationship around that 20 million pounds, and we've now worked really closely with the Combined Authority, and this programme has been developed with Environment Agency, Combined Authority umbrella Clough Arts is not really part in distress.

that relationship continues, it's a very good relationship now the Combined Authority and they now sit on one of the RFCC sub-regional partnerships, the rest of his partnership

continue to build that that relationship and really pleased with the progress that we've developed, that Justin's outlined.

and Justin.

thank you Mark, and so just put on some cos now finally enter the total and scheme cost is 168 million that's for the full programme

Justin Wilson, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:14:14

and, as mentioned earlier, that we have split into phases

so phases 1 and 2 A

have a cost of just over 50 million and to deliver and the proposal is that we contribute up to 10 million from the planning authority to best unlock the sum of the partnership funding that Mark just mentioned. and to enable delivery of initial package of aid schemes and their that the phase 1 and 2, A schemes are listed in the report for clarity,

and I won't go through all the recommendation Intel-based, just to mention that there are this paragraph for 35 of the report and the five recommendations

so I'll take those as as reverie rather than reading through them today that's OK.

thank you both, thank you very much my comment area, but flooding is

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:15:01

of course one of the phrases we use in Calderdale is that climate change is very real in Calderdale, because because flooding is really not not good for the not good for the climate.

and

I didn't I checked the papers to see whether I had to declare a personal interest in or because two of the flood schemes are.

affect my my own home, but none of those are in the in today's paper I did check

I think the job of the committee, in this case in terms of these partnership schemes and the unlocking of funding, is to

basically go through the Combined Authority's quality assurance and approvals process and send them through to the next stage, Justin's nodding, and there are five recommendations in the papers in front of you and its MD particularly want to pick up any particular issue or scheme getting.

no particular schemes at the three questions, though, or two

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 1:16:04

questions, and a one one observation

and of Stott with the observation that was in the news earlier today, that there's going to be an additional 11 million.

properties in flood zones. So yeah, I don't know how many of those are going to be in our own area, but it's something to consider,

given that the way the floods the flood zones are actually allocated that moment in the one to 100 years and 50 years and things like that, I was just wondering if you could maybe comment on given that we're getting more frequent downpours,

how that actually is affected and then the final question is given that we're talking about reducing carbon load through energy, do any of these consider renewable energy, as in terms of hydro schemes, as part and parcel of this work is going to be developed. Thank you

Mark

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:17:05

yeah, thank you, yes, I'll pick up all three points, so the first point around.

Mr Mark Wilkinson, Advisory Representative (The Environment Agency) - 1:17:10

an additional 11 million properties in flood zones in the news today, yeah, I think that's that's the that's the very tangible and real threat I'll be that climate change brings.

and I think it's worth noting it's not just the extent of flooding but the frequency in the depths as well,

that's something that we're obviously very mindful and Clare of around our flood risk capital programme and the schemes that we deliver.

the challenge for us is making projects which have a lengthy duration and benefits because of climate change,

snack can mean that the assets we build need to be bigger,

but also we're very mindful of carbon, and can we deliver projects which have left less emissions or later reliance on pumping, for example,

and also developing projects which look to world's nature-based solutions as well.

I think the Leeds flood alleviation scheme is a really good example of that where we're part and parcel about projects, so it's a civil engineering projects, building building walls frou-frou leads but hand in hands to make that that projects climate resilience. and to maintain that any protection for a longer duration, net for solutions and SMEs is key to that. And not that's, as we all know, tree planting solar management event in the soil

more hedgerows, so that that's very much part and parcel of in C in bra, but I think, get in

I agree. It's an ongoing challenge that climate change is bringing in his is the extent some more properties are affected, but the depths and the frequencies as well, and as we have seen over the past few weeks, with heavy storms. There's there's more storms forecast today

the challenges Israel throws that is reflected in the flood zone, which is this a second point.

so, as part of any scheme developments, the flood maps and flood zones are updated with the latest information and intelligence flood maps are also updated and the flood zones that calibrated when we have flood events as well.

and that includes extensions. the debts and the frequencies as well, but particularly the extent.

we also have

the surface water risk flood maps as well, which has developed very much in hand with the local authority how much great intelligence around drainage and surface water issues.

final points, yet just just supportive really of that, something that we're very keen to do is looking at

renewable energy as part of a scheme development, also key for us is that it is carbon as well for the Environment Agency revenues 0 target by 2030 and a real key part about is is construction

and that that's the

the main call preferred serve of carbon emissions for us to look at how we can construct differently, but also the assets that we deliver, some mentioned on Pumpin but the kind of source materials that were used as well

so yeah, I think I think we're always looking to be innovative and that that's a key part that is speaking to people, that we don't normally speak to our people, that I haven't spoken to historically, it's probably better to phrase is moving away from our standard approach, we've the same people

is more about who can work with differently, and that's something we're very keen to look at through the West Yorkshire police partnership, the RFCC and and initiatives like the flood innovation programme as well.

thank you Mark Andrew.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:20:59

this is Local Plan question again, really, which is is how how much

Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 1:21:03

input you have into

local plans going forward, the sort of things I'm thinking about are

yeah, you took what nature based solutions, then you know large scale tree planting in certain areas

mandating

sod some on homes because at that policy is not really well established as it were things that things like that.

strategic reserve was placed at certain points, so I just wonder if there's a greater role the Environment Agency could take in terms of advice to councils on local plans that would make us more resilient, as is the more that could be done

Mark.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:21:43

as a councillor, I think there is I have to confess

Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 1:21:47

this isn't my area of expertise, I'm afraid, is at the a different team that dealt with that, but there certainly is, and we do have a key role in the local plans and yes, our roads

that's apart those local plans.

yeah, I think there is a greater role, but we all need to speak to somebody back and fragment detail access, not my particular area of expertise, unfortunately but keen to pick up outside of the meeting.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:22:14

thank you, Andrew is I certainly know, in cold details example, that the lecture you're doing your local plan, the more these issues and the more consultation has been and of course,

advice on master planning over certain certain numbers and so on, and we have done a lot of.

with the help of the Environment Agency included a lot about sun's swales and attenuation, tanks, lakes, etc. There really is quite a lot there now and is partly encoded there because it's one of the most frequently flooded areas in the country.

It's got to be the centre of our local plan because we have steep hillsides and we have valley bottoms that flood, and it's been a real challenge for us in terms of our local plan and the Environment Agency had been very helpful, particularly in relate and Yorkshire Water in relation to some of the early infrastructure planning around any size of development in terms of managing not just flooding but surface water and water management generally and and nature based solutions. In terms of, as you say, some of the

some of the preventative work, but later I can see, as local plans come to be reviewed at the end of their five-year term, actually this is going to be the topic of the day Mark, you wanted to come back.

Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 1:23:43

thank you Chair, I guess just one food to add as well is is the the challenge around Schedule 3 and local priorities role in being a SuDS approving body, that's that's a real risk,

particularly around capacity of local authorities and skills as well.

it's been flagged as one of the key risks now and the Regional Flood and coastal Committee RFCC which I mentioned earlier

Mr Mark Wilkinson, Advisory Representative (The Environment Agency) - 1:24:11

and where, certainly, supporting Yorkshire-wide local authorities in working together to try and address that risk, and that's looking at a number of mitigation measures around upskilling and sharing resources as well, but that's a real challenge for local authorities and the Horizons is instructive schedule 3 and that that suds local approving body,

if Members are happy with the

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:24:36

passporting the schemes on their way.

and that the five recommendations in the paperwork that you've got in terms with the corrections advise as advice we do not want Keighley to be left out in any way and happy for Members to have not one lie, I'm sorry you did indicate early, I beg your pardon please, I think

Leah Stuart (Private Sector Representative) - 1:25:03

I have one very specific question which is have Yorkshire Water been involved, it sounds like you do talk to them, because obviously that's really key.

Key partner,

and I think it is just sort of them building on what everyone said. There is sufficient in result that your projects for fishing and resources use, but also efficient in value delivered, because it's delivering

nature is delivering health and wellbeing is delivering amenity. You know it's a ways that will get more bang for our buck with a worthy infrastructure that's provided, so it's not just putting in a wall, it's like what else can that deliver as well? So I think you're making sure that we would get maximum value out of things

and then just one, such on the recommendations it says conditions have been set. Easy

do need to tell us what those conditions are or buy. Although I couldn't see any reference to what they were just said, you need to improve the conditions that's

OK. Thank you Mark.

Thank you

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:26:03

thank you, thank you Chair, I'll I'll pick up the first two points, and I'll I'll just in for the final point, Fatso aka Justin so yeah,

Mr Mark Wilkinson, Advisory Representative (The Environment Agency) - 1:26:13

Yorkshire Walter, or one of the responsible authorities engaged in the RFCC, so working cooperation with and around develop these projects, particularly projects which have

surface water mitigations, judges Keighley and Stockbridge literally offering a liberation scheme.

yeah, I guess I guess just to to agree and support the current Red Rum efficiency in delivery and looking at wider benefits.

another go back to my earlier comment around actually.

working wider partnerships for people that help us realise as wind. It benefits

the reason in this initiative,

supported by their FCC, called the West Yorkshire flood innovation programme,

and that's the West Yorkshire Local Authority, the Environment Agency, Leeds University and combined authority looking at innovative ways that we can deliver projects but innovative ways in who would collaborate with. We're very keen to explore and deliver projects that are place-based rather than just reducing flood risk, but obviously it is a very important factor in what we do and I think Justin and able to use the lost point.

Councillor Mark,

as things stand, the actual one is, I'll just like to know that

Justin Wilson, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:27:26

obviously this week I've instructed the heart and structure element of our programme.

we have got a thing 7.1 million pound natural margin programme as well and although Yorkshire I've been engaged in both sides of things.

they are a major stakeholders, particularly on offense a landowner,

so there's a lot tree planting work and other kind of natural flood management measures that had taken place in their their various land so that's their key partner on that front in terms of the conditions yet sorry been God through those in detail they are noted on page 64

so basics and tolerances and costs and the outputs so in terms of the costs one of the tolerances that they said had been 10%,

the costs outlined in the report and also intended timescales within six months with some of the timescales set.

on pages,

in second 64 and 63, and then also in terms of the apples' attempts and tolerance in terms of those as well and the outputs they mentioned in the the opening remarks are the

the levels of enhanced protection that were provided to homes and businesses,

I think they're the main runs I can follow up if you want any more clarification on that.

sorry to get a taste of papers.

K, thank you, thank you, Justin, and thank you Mark, or the committee

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:29:01

content to let those

recommendations go through and send this on its way to the next stage.

thank you.

moving on to Item 10,

and I think that's you again no.

10 Better Homes Hub

it is indeed thank you Chair, and so better homes, hope kind of update, I won't go through the full report.

because there's quite a bit in there, I think, just to draw your

Mr Noel Collings, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:29:28

attention to.

what we're trying to do with this purpose, first and foremost, it's to give you a little bit of an update on what activity has happened since we last spoke about this committee, but also, as with the candour local energy piece, as well as really to seek your views on what success looks like to you and and how you'd like to be involved in the programme but I'll come back to those kind of asks as,

after a candidate flagged up a couple of things that might be of interest to the first is related to the social housing decarbonisation fund and just just to Kandace, give you an update on where we're at with that, so for those that aren't familiar this is money that we've secured and with the social housing providers in the region

to help upgrade properties to a higher level and then insulation, so I think it's to to meet the PCC are all better and so we have one is forecasted now to complete 925 properties.

so the nearly a thousand there and which is great and then that'll be added to, in terms of with to with an additional.

today, well, nearly two and a half thousand homes.

into properties and then, on top of that, we also have the 5 million from getting chair and through our esearch DF booster scheme, which will

deliver nearly 18 100 homes with an improved energy efficiency, so a good slug of kind of homes being upgraded as a result of that funding which is really great to 0.

the other pieces to cannot note is that we will be running a Tell, Treacy, public engagement campaign on the climate agenda

towards the end of the year, so it's just kind of put you put on your rear dampness, although much should be about face-to-face engagement with groups and there'll be a digital server there and really this is this is an opportunity for us to really gauge the temperature with with the residents of West Yorkshire around.

the kind of barriers to climate change, but particularly barriers to retrofitting their homes

number then we'll be able to utilise that learning as we designed the One Stop Shop processor, and just to put that on your radar, will provide more information on that when we get to it.

the piece, too candid flag to you is around our submission of a 1.6 million pound bid to the north-east Yorkshire Net Zero Hub, local energy advice demonstrate a bit of a

a word soup for you there but basically what we're trying to do there is to test innovative approaches to providing advice, energy advice to hard to reach and digitally excluded groups so this project will look at,

among other things, targeting those who say language is not the first language is not English.

and also the elderly will be looked at as part of this, both from a fuel pill, fuel, poor elderly perspective, but also an affluent health elderly perspective as well, support Candy groups and the idea is that we're looking at, how do we get over the threshold with those arguing with those individuals to give them that advice and how that leads on to provision of? a much more in-depth advice

and then installing measures, so we are expected to learn the outcome of that fairly soon and that will run until March 2025. If we are successful,

we are coming to the end of a procurement exercise to secure the services of a consultant to provide client-side support to the better homes hub. So this is very much helping us to develop the programme, but move quicker as well on some of the aspects of of that we need. We know we need to do given the the sheer scale of the activities that will be required to get to where we need to be, which is that end-to-end offer for residents of West Yorkshire to to retrofit their homes.

so we'll be able to give an update on that at the next meeting and on on who was successful and the work that they'll actually be doing

and then just the final point of note is that

the strategic outline case for the programme was taken to the Combined Authority at the June meeting what that did was approve an indicative allocation of 18 just over 18 million for the programme and to secure some additional development costs and for additional staff consultancies, part research

and developing area best demonstrate programmes and the One Stop Shop.

that candidate gives you a little bit of a flavour of the activity, there's obviously more in the in the in the report itself, so if I can turn to counter the discussion points, I think the first one really we're asking is there's a lot about PI or does candidate delivering smaller scale activity, but we we obviously need to scale up.

and it would be great to get a better understanding from committee around how we do do that scaling up process.

because we only have what 15 years left until 2038 9 0 target, so we need to really start ramping up on that, so very much welcome committee views on that and then in terms of success, what does that look like for you in terms of short, medium and long-term, what would you expect to see delivered in the next year three years five years just so we have a good understanding of expectations from committee and then again very similar to previous item, how can we best tap into your experience and knowledge, how do you want

to be involved as individuals and act as a committee

in this agenda?

I'll stop there, Chair, thank you,

thank you know

open for comments, Andrew.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:35:18

so once you thought,

let's have a think

until Tracy

Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 1:35:24

well, let's say I mean I do wonder through this what it is that we are going to find out that we don't really know anyway, yeah, in terms of

in terms of what are the reasons why people don't do the work will this mean loads and loads of studies about this?

we're not short of studies as to why people don't do the right thing in terms of spending all their money, insulating their home rather going on holiday to wherever it happens, to be. We we we, we've got loads of information about this

and it's the run-up to an election, isn't it anyway, but I'll leave that to one side,

yeah tell Tracy

so so this is that I mean, I think the other. The other thought, even this is is basically

I'd rather see less properties done, but done well.

I don't think the number of properties done with loft insulation is necessary, which I do here, I think we're trying to do is is is use this to build skills and capability and capacity to be able to do more things, and so I would like to see more

more activity on better houses as opposed to more spreading the money thinly. I think that's that's as I'd like to see success, keep saying about E PCs, keep saying that energy BBCs are not a really good measure of any performance not just me saying it, but the people who is academia on this, so I think we ought to our UN standards as to what it is we're actually trying to achieve whether that's air changes per hour

we're hamster people but make you about the performance of the property

that's it, that's an important thing.

at the energy advice that's been offered.

so a lot of this stuff is not just about fuel poverty or

what it's about general poverty, and if there's somebody going into a home,

then the ought to be able to provide a wide range of advice and access to.

services and benefits, advice,

debt advice or at least be able to signpost people to that, so I'd like to see see that that that person going to that home is as useful as they possibly can be.

in terms of getting involved, I'd really be interested in what it is they they do when they go in and understand what it is they do, Easter Easter, manage a visiting local energy advice service so

that be interested in comparing that and seeing what

what they did so there's appeals

think Andrew Luck over there Scott.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:38:05

I thank you leader, and then I mean I agree with much of what you said there, especially pieces and stuff that's a.

ongoing battle, I am actually going to be fighting of years, but.

Cllr Scott Patient - 1:38:20

I think success looks like, and it's easy to centralise these things, and I appreciate this is no disrespect that a lot of these projects are probably going to end up happening in Leeds by nature of the fact that the only success to me once like stuff happening everywhere you know

I mean just just going back to agenda item 7 it shows data shows that a few polite polite poverty, households with lower energy efficiently and flood risk and collate all and how they compare sort of. I'm not just picked with all the data, so please show you maybe a tiny very

but I think it's important because you know we were when we all got very different sort of geographies and we've all got lots of different sort of processes going on in houses built around hearts and and that sort of stuff so it would be demonstrative projects that make the most of their various various places and I think the other thing really is

making sure the like are registered providers and other people tell people about the work that's going on so it not just being essential I spot where all this information has been disseminated out, that we make people take a little bit of ownership of the agenda I mean environmental groups like X are one of the first things is tell us about it, so let's do a little bit of that and make sure that our partners are really speaking in one singular voice.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:39:37

dot am looking to take marching and then lie at.

first of all,

questions now make if you could, you explain a bit more about

where the

Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership) - 1:39:51

area-based

demonstrators are up to what sort of?

ideas and patterns are emerging from that because I don't know that I'll go to what Scott said about variety and and spread of of initiatives in terms of scaling up to demonstrate its are really important, because people need to have confidence in that things work, there's been far too much, far, too many false starts for a variety of reasons, far too many things have gone wrong with retrofit in the past.

Even two weeks ago, the Sustainability Institute did its

feedback on its deep project and said there were significant variations between internal insulation and external relations, it was in for excellent wall, insulation in terms of its effectiveness, so you know we're learning all the time about this stuff and it's not surprising that the population at large is is worried and sceptical and even cynical about about the and therefore not likely to invest their own hard-earned cash and rather go off on holiday instead.

in terms of scaling up,

we need long term plan, we need long-term finance, we need to invest in boots on the ground early doors because you cannot do this without having people on the ground effectively selling the stuff to to to tenants and residents and homeowners and stuff and that applies in housing organisations and local authorities and whatever I don't have the resources I need in my organisation to do what I need to do yet it's an ongoing battle because,

where we were pulling all sorts of different directions, and that's that's you know, we're a microcosm of the problem in the public sector as a whole,

so the challenge is huge and we're not even

scratching the surface yet.

thank you.

Gideon next and then Katie.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:41:45

I should do.

I'm sorry, pick your pardon, I think I did last time I wrote down your name and then didn't call you and this time I haven't even written do you know, I apologise, I just I totally I just wanted to sort of come

Leah Stuart (Private Sector Representative) - 1:42:04

back and what Andrew said about the level at which you do houses and one is it. We need to work out what the right level is. Is it that we do few houses amazingly brilliant, but what delivers the most long term? What level of

doing up or improvement delivers the the against our climate targets long term? So is it

fewer fewer houses at 90% of you know, or is it more houses, 70%, or is it loads of houses 60% what actually delivers most for people and for against our targets, so we've got to find that level as well haven't we I think so you can I don't know,

Gondry.

I think it's really about,

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:42:50

because the amount of money that we've got is actually quite small compared with the the the the job as a whole.

so the question is, this is not necessarily what we do here, I don't think it's gonna be are all achieving the targets in themselves, it's about the skills, it's about starting stuff or puts it now, it is about providing that capacity and capability to be able to move things on.

so I wouldn't say, well, you know that there was that much carbon saving that delivers that I think that that's maybe not voice temperature or we

need to find out early on.

one thing I said bang on.

it supports the objectives for this.

project

Syndicate, I think it's that it was just me, but

she's mainly by now.

Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 1:43:41

it is monitoring how much that's going against that.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:43:51

thank you, thank you earlier, I will try and do better in future.

Gideon next.

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 1:44:00

thanks. just comment first of all about E PCs, yes, the rubbish,

however

they are actually being worked on that moment at a government level, there's a lot of work going on and one of the people who is leading on that happens to have come from passive house trust so you know fingers crossed there is actually some people who understand what's going on and maybe E PCs can. can improve dramatically,

but let's start not talking about E PCCs, please, because that seems a bit of a pointless exercise and will have to go back and redo it all again.

OK, so yes, we need to understand what we're getting bang for buck, which I totally agree there,

and it also needs to, I think, have some KPI, as with this, how many people are we teaching or are gaining skills that can then go out to others and I think that's sort of what Andrew is hinting at well as well, I think there's a real big opportunity for

hubs panel

a mentoring schemes and they don't have to be, they don't have to be financially financed once we have a lot of people out there as in a meeting recently.

for community buildings who yeah would be up for learning, how to do the basics of the of the initial assessment, and if we get you no wonder if we get 10 doing that Nos 10 do 10, suddenly we have a very big opportunity to do initial scale screening of all of this, so I think I'd like to see that, been considered and how we would do it. I'd like to see an advisory panel for all of this, so, and and an oversight panel

for these, because there's so much within it, it would be useful to for us to be able to keep on a track of what's going on and actually yeah just probe and question the other thing I've got is, and it's across the whole piece really is, can we have a sustainable procurement strategy for all of these things? Around standards out there for sustainable procurement said ISO 1

and out there at the moment, but we need to start putting in place things that say whoever is delivering, you know, it's gonna do Stanley if they're going to drive around to all these houses in a diesel car, an old diesel car, you know how does that work in relation to what we're trying to achieve so

that's that's why input thank you.

thank you good in Katie.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:46:53

yes, at this point I think I will struggle to say anything original Vic, it's everything I've got down on my list as as as kind of thing

Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 1:47:07

covered, really it is absolutely vital that we get demonstrators right right, I was also that the UN report and there were some horrific stories of where retrofits had gone wrong.

and if it goes wrong, it's completely and utterly pointless in in terms of carbon saving and all the other benefits that go with it, so I think you want one of your viewpoints is in terms of scaling up, I think before we scale up we absolutely have to get demonstrator projects right

and then everything else.

upset about long-term plans, Scott skills,

trusted information, that's another really really important, one of I think, that's a huge barrier for people having any any work done if, if the you know it's gonna be kind for the able to pay market, where are they going to get that trusted information from, I think, is absolutely key as well.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:48:03

thank you, thank you very much, I think there are some analogies just to link back to the previous item. with discussions we've had and first flooding committees in terms of property level resilience, property level protection, enormous amount of money was wasted post 2015 grants for doing things to your property, though the flood doors and one way flaps and pumps, and so on. and we've learned a lot from that experience actually, but money was wasted in terms of the property level protection, so would agree that in terms of

information, trusted information and the one-stop shops and getting getting that flight, I think the other thing that we've got responsibility for is

this we're talking about here in this committee. as well as the wider issues, is what you spend public money on, what's appropriate for a public sector invention, because these are taxpayers Council taxpayers' money that we're spending and we know how hard it is with cost of living crisis in terms of some people finding the money to pay their monthly standing order for their council tax and here we are saying well OK, this is money that has to be used and shared in a collaborative way.

and one used for the scheme, so I think we need to be very careful about not wasting public money in relation to this, and I think that's why some of what's been reported already in terms of

making decisions about where some of that public sector intervention money is spent in terms of those most in need and least likely to be able to have their own money to spend on it.

I think in terms of retrofit we all know that this is, this is literally a drop in the ocean in terms of the sheer level and scale of of challenge that some

that facing us, and I think the point that somebody made or can't quite remember earlier about homeowners of what the levers are in terms of getting them to take an interest in the was Andrew, not not taking a foreign home holiday but actually spending some serious money of their own money rather than the public sector money that we're charged with here. I think this also useful point came up about,

as well as things like sustainable procurement. So there's a useful point which has a link to the next item on the agenda, which is about skills and about green skills. Absolutely crucial. Get in you wanted to come in here

yeah just just wanted to to

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 1:50:46

highlight a government

programme gold each home,

every home counts, which was a

it was done Band

8 years ago, I think you started

and it was

looking

at, it wasn't any comfort, each home counts and it was.

looking at what interventions we could do and what measures could be developed and it went through, I was involved with it quite heavily.

and it went through a very torrid

time and they were trying to do things it never got off the ground, but there's some interesting reading within the report of what actually was happening, so things like insulation programme up impressed, and it went horribly wrong and created a real down on insulation and things like that, so I think there are some lessons to be learned from that but not on what they did afterwards.

thank you very much.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:51:49

no logic enough as anything further, you want to say on that item, I think in terms of that, you've got plenty of material there, and members are asked to to note the contents of this report, anything further to say no out is going

to come back on matins ask around the the very best demonstrator so conversations are ongoing with each of the local authorities to really

Mr Noel Collings, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:52:11

put some flesh on the bones in terms of what those look like.

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the team are looking to bring at least two of those forward for consideration

10 Better Homes Hub

in the autumn, so there'll be at least two of them

to give you an idea of what they look like, one is

related to an integrated package of measures.

for cost effective systems that can be funded by grants, such as Eco sign, reading of so apologies if it feels a bit stunted this.

targeting Cardiff inner city Victorian town terraces. Looking at the right-to-buy side of things, look at internal wall, insulation, it look at innovative technology such as wonder I'll read in panels that type of thing, another one gives you an idea of the work is about hydrates hybrid solid wall candor project. One is which looks at internal wall, insulation to the front external wall, insulation to the rear elevations, and it could look at room in roof, loft insulation, underfloor insulation, those types of things that gives you a flavour of the type of thing that's coming forward and this has been done collaboratively with the local authorities,

Martin's gearing up round back on that

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:53:23

my initial reaction to that is disappointing as only two, and

Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership) - 1:53:26

it's a bit worrying that they sing from what you said that they seemed to be taking a technical approach as opposed to a people focused approach,

the barrier here is not the technical it's a bigger one and the technical has to be fitted around the people.

so yeah area based to me means community

doesn't mean imposing a technical approach on on a group of properties.

so I said I'm very shaken, very had a snapshot on the no, put, no one

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 1:53:59

swap,

certainly in terms of the

work that we've done with a local housing association and where we.

had a new build and improved the Houses of the,

private sector owners some rented some owned on

just alongside so that we didn't have a two-tier housing development and just the personal experiences of the people in those private housing who had just transformed their lives rates, it's actually very moving in terms of the amount of money they've said the current level of comfort they feel in their homes, it's you know, it's it's life transforming ready for some of those people really in your right that that human aspect and committee aspect to something we must and must not lose sight of,

OK are Members happy to we've had a good discussion around that are Members happy to note the contents of the report and I think officers feel they've had some things to tick away

if we may then move on to Item 11 and it's on to skills and create schools.

Over to you.

thank you, Chair, thank you.

so the paper provided an update on green skills and plans for future

Michelle Hunter, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:55:27

skills programmes and the investment in digital skills. Green skills and support for employees were prioritised by leaders in February and you'll see from the interventions outlined in the paper

that they have been developed to support employers, individuals, education providers, to attract and retain talent them to address the upskilling and retraining needs and that move us towards more sustainable path, a neutral region. So we we've outlined in the reports of the demand and scale for green jobs, green skills and how this is projected in the needs projected needs. We've developed recommendations through the green jobs task force that look to address the scale of that need,

particularly how will support young people to feel more inspired, agreed skills, but also how will support businesses and adults as well as positioning West Yorkshire for future funding

so outlined in the paper

we've just done some extensive

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consultation with our committees, being jobs, task force, members and local authorities. and the Combined Authority bod approved 7.5 million pounds funding from gain share and also the committed funds to our existing employment and skills budgets to develop programmes complementary skills packages that will be developed between September delivered rather between September 23 and March 26. the skills packages that we've outlined are built on the success of our previous programmes and address some of the market failure, the idea is that the skills packages will add value and align to a regional wide activity and also address skills gaps and and funding gaps where future funding cannot address so the programmes outlined are interdependent and interlinking and have been designed in in collaboration with partners that cross cutting and have the ability to support progress in aligned to the programmes such as the better homes hub electric vehicle strategy and the business sustainability West Yorkshire programme.

the packages are made up of two two programmes, the first one is workforce development and growth, this includes two projects. an impartial regional offer to employers, including specialist support to enable businesses to access green skills support. This aligns really well to the Merrill pledged grit 1,000 green jobs but also supports businesses to access skills funding to to help them reduce carbon

and the mouse. The second project is the mouse semi graduate programme. This is a place-based approach. This is designed to increase the uptake of graduates in SMEs, whether a specific skills demands around green skills.

The second package is called workforce for the future. that includes three projects, one is focused around digital inclusion. another one is focused around regional careers, engagement and inspiration, this is really aimed at how we engage a young people and adults and help them understand what a green skills opportunities are available to them.

this will involve a procurement of a provider to engage with primary with primary children in crime activities, to raise awareness and help them feel inspired about way future jobs and careers will win,

and then the third project is an FA Development Fund, this will be part phase 2 of the project and will be delivered from January 24. this is a really innovative opportunities to help a fee providers to build capacity, to respond to where skills needs will be in the future. We've been working really closely with colleagues in Whitehall housing partnerships to get some steer on where they smile, where we might be able to test pilots to work with the fee set to respond to needs. We've also visited, where Manchester Green skills academy are took to consider how we might present options to do a similar West Yorkshire-based model, so there's a really ambitious opportunity

throughout these programmes. There are multiple objectives that we've outlined in the paper

that will focus on a responsive and in solution, focused approach to really addressing the needs of the labour market, both individuals and businesses,

there are some opportunities that require development, one is the PHE development programme and how we might work with businesses skills funding and how we might develop opportunities for employers to tap into that,

and we'd really be interested in this committee to help provide that steer and to support us to develop those, so I think that was all I wanted to say in terms of the summary and then just to open up you know discussion around. how this committee would like to be involved in that going forward,

thank you.

thank you Michelle, can I just think you were here for the earlier

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 2:00:33

discussion that we had in terms of relationship with other combined authority committees and, in this case, the employment and skills.

committee, have they seen this paper, they already bought into it and are content with it?

yes, they are, and we also have our employment and skills committee

Michelle Hunter, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:00:58

meeting this week as well, but we can update

on this again, but there they fully endorsed this approach.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 2:01:08

thank you, the committee here no doubt have had very similar papers in the past, I confess I did struggle with this ready, I did struggle to make real

and I could really have done with some case studies from the perspective of,

the young person, this prospect perspective of the FA provider,

the perspective of the small and medium sized enterprise.

and and.

I struggled to make it really if you asked me to do an elevator pitch.

on the on the often very lovely the different packages, I really did find it to make it practical in a way that I could as a as a member of this committee and as chair,

what what do I see in terms of how this will make those different people's lives better and what we're doing and it's a lot of money you know if I was to write to pressure lies about this. and the importance of it. I would really struggle to really make it make it tough, but maybe the rest of the committee's got got this and it's just me,

and so I'm going to go to get in first don't tell me what I need to know get in,

nor to chair, I'm going to say thank you for saying that because it's

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 2:02:30

sort of a prelude to what I was going to say. Thank you Michelle for that. I had a lot of words. I'm from a private sector point of view. I'm not

sure what it

really means to us I overall nationally, we need to do 600,000 heat pumps a year in

in West Yorkshire that equates to acute if I remember rightly 100 and 30 odd thousand a year, we know that the whole country is only doing 69,000, how does that relate to actually upskilling all those people and what target we're getting for the number of people who can deliver a home in the proper way, how can they assess what is the same with PV the same with all the other technologies we've got and everything else that goes with that you had sulky about the year the advice centres if we go for all of that advice, then yeah, we're gonna need a lot of people to be able to do that, but I'm not hearing clear understanding of what that's going to deliver, and that would be really helpful to me, thank you.

thank you and good state Martin first or Michelle, or we're not

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 2:03:45

shooting the messenger, we're just struggling to struggling to manage some of this agenda in our own heads, so Morton first.

I'm gonna, make an and ask him an offer.

Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership) - 2:03:57

so when the West Yorkshire Housing Partnership, very broadly speaking, I estimate we need to invest over 3 billion pounds in our stock as 180,000 homes,

if we have to spend 20,000 pounds 20,000 pounds property on two thirds of those that adds up to 3 billion plus

we're already starting to think about with the potentially the support of the combined authorities but homes programme.

how we collaborate to bring together our collective investment pipelines over the next 10 to 15 years. to give us a

I lost out to the manufacturing industry, the installation industry, so that we hopefully like that, can respond to meet our needs in a strategic way and equally we shuffle our programmes around so that we're not all trying to fit thousands of heat pumps in the same two year window that actually respond in that programme.

at the same time, with a bassline conversation with Tiesi on help it on them, helping us to align our own workforce development programmes because, as well as that, looking to the industry to support us, we actually need to get our own house in order and upskill our own people.

so the asking the offer is, can we in the same way that we collaborate and we know this team on

the the the kind of investment side of things can we collaborate with you guys on the workforce, development and skills side of things?

excellent.

to put new next and then Katie.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 2:05:33

and I would play them what a green job is.

Mr Neil Whalley, Advisory Representative (Northern Gas Networks) - 2:05:40

them. what green jobs and the green jobs that we need, because we're a few people have talked here about. then

heat pumps and solar and stuff like that,

but the the breadth of green jobs is minimised in transport engineers, designers at sea, or so I think

understanding that the that parameter is quite upon.

I thought you would tell me what a green job was actually, but.

and Katie

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 2:06:09

yeah just come in on that, I think, didn't they had partnership, do

Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 2:06:14

some work with schools about that, looking looking at same, what what green jobs specifically, and I can't remember what the outcome of it was. Nothing just about anything could could be a green jobs. I think was the outcome of that piece of work and I think that's probably a message that we have to get across to young people, that it's about their careers in the future in a future where we have a changing climate and surely that covers everything really

anyway, my question was a specific one relating to the FA Development Fund, can you go into a bit more detail about that would that involve creating apprenticeships on new qualifications or anything like that?

thank you and goodnight before you come back, me, shall I'm good to

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 2:07:03

take a couple of other questions comments and then let you respond Scott,

thank you.

Cllr Scott Patient - 2:07:12

it was only a brief one, really, I think it's on the green jobs thing and

maybe inclined to get a bit messy with that and get bogged down with what is a green job, and clearly we could have a roundtable that lasted all day long with various differences.

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but I think there's two things isn't there, I think that is about transformation of organisations and how people within the workforce work differently to make sure sustainable practices are achieved and whether that's a care worker, you know travelling within her own neighborhood rather than across huge boroughs and thinking about chat travel and transport and

or actually where we've got specific skills gaps and we can regret where they are in terms of you know, renewables in terms of transport and all that sort of stuff feel like two very separate bits so we probably need to be cognisant of that we're never going to get anywhere.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 2:08:07

just keeping an eye on Lee and just in case she indicates I missed it.

Michelle

some response from you, perhaps thank you, thank

you, I think, in terms of bringing tomorrow, absolutely we can do

Michelle Hunter, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:08:22

that, we've had quite a lot of consultation with businesses. and

you know partners, but that hasn't is not it's not ended, so I think we want to continue with with that consultation piece, but I think if if case studies would help us scenarios, our ideas options, you know that kind of thing definitely something we can present to this committee absolutely to to make that more tangible, more real,

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I think in terms of you know, making it more practical and real, we are in the stages of developing this and we we were really keen to get thoughts on how we how we should do that and the project team is in place from September, so I think there is work to do.

on getting that right, really that offer right

and taking on board your your

feedback, Guardian on the kind of you know, what does it actually mean to businesses? It's a very crowded one skip and we know that the vast mucked quaff has outlived just what we managed to see a, but how do we actually feed those in and make meaningful for businesses, and that's really what we're aiming to do through this, and it won't solve all the problems, but we want to kind of have provide that clarity of that one skip through this, and if there are any any ways, you know that you think that would work best would be absolutely open to a conversation about that.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 2:09:50

thank you, Michelle, and certainly new achievements chamber

various points that you've made and we need to come back, we need to come back to this issue and we also need to talk to the employment and skills combined authority committee getting

Michelle Hunter, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:10:06

a just say happy to help his up on, give you some details later.

thank you

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 2:10:14

thank you, and can I offer one of my my absence of pet things? I keep seeing in different forums, hoping that somebody will take it up is something that in coded all we have actually the highest number of startups, start-up businesses

in West Yorkshire look quite know why small micro businesses, but majority SMEs within the borough

and it be really helpful. People said to me, could you just say to small businesses, what three things could you do that are really going to make a difference and do that through the Chamber through the Federation. You know, actually, people do want to engage with this agenda, but they want very practical things. What three things could we do to make a start as she and these are businesses without HR departments and policy departments, and so on, actually very practical things that the small and micro businesses could do

those kind of things, I think would help tremendously, so I iv offered that again since.

Good you can just

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 2:11:25

pick a one one thing on the digital side of it. Those comment made to

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 2:11:28

me the other day that the the level of entry to get access to some of the school side of it is too high and a lot of those organisations content and you can't get digital sport because, and I can, I don't really know the terminology properly, but it was at a a for in their own year to two or something, and so we need if we can look at that in terms of where we pitching and any support would be very helpful. Thank you and just to say that I totally agree with you. It was only examples

Michelle last word from you

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 2:12:09

on the digital side, them a matter who've spoken to a colleague,

Michelle Hunter, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:12:13

Marianne Hewitt, who leads on digital for the Combined Authority, but there is a piece of work on digital inclusion that there is around exactly that what you said so I'm happy to provide details if that if that's helpful and she'll be able to talk to you about how that programme works for businesses.

thank you very much Michelle, I hope we were asked to share views and

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 2:12:36

comments on that report, I think we've met the brief. slick, thank you,

and

moving on to our last substantive item, and that's the climate pledge

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 2:12:48

update and there is a lot in there

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and assuming that.

the paper can be pretty much taken, as read there's quite a long list in terms of updates of things have happened, lays over to you.

thank you, I think we given how much

there is in this paper, I could spend the next half

Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:13:12

an hour reading through its I probably I probably won't, and we're more than

happy just to take questions on the specific elements of

it if that's the right time.

in a pity.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 2:13:27

can I ask 1

am the zebra or, as we said, Scots, zebra,

the zebra bus things, Is there a commitment to making sure that this gets rolled out to the other districts, another was an application, particularly for Kirklees, and pointed out, I think,

and possibly Wakefield, in terms of the next trunks of and low emission buses, etc is that still on on track?

it's a good question shouted many from the Transport Team with us now,

Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:14:08

but my understanding is that the that's his very much the case because the zebra money from governments, we then put our own Combined Authority money to that to enable the formerly in for Coverdale and Co these two to be rolled out

and my understanding is that

still happening back in

if that's if that is not correct I will correct myself

applying,

getting

OK, so a few things I've picked up picked upon

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 2:14:38

in terms of business and sustainability, I am sick to death, of

Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 2:14:42

walking down the high street and seeing those left open or gaps in the in around doors where heat is leaking out yeah there's things there that we could do quite low hanging fruit which we could,

talk to two businesses about a thing or offers or for, and that small and large.

so that was one the electric vehicle infrastructure strategy can we can we see that please?

and can I maybe ask if we can have an input into it,

it's talking about guidance in here on 2 16, about guidance, the charge points, there is a lot of stuff going on at the moment there have been.

New standards developed 1 8 9 9 for instance, be a standard on charge points, there's a new building regulation which isn't great, but is there,

but also there's the likes of charge safe, a new organisation that just started up that are actually going around and looking at all of the different charge points with us with an assessment system which will actually help with that and I think those kinds of things we could do fairly easily very quickly.

go back to the point of the commercial sector as well, being really important in this, and I think that's not something that we need to think about, especially from electric vehicle side of it as well.

who are at that one in terms of the 0 emission buses and Dr Andy Palmer

is very, very influential in this area. he,

he's part of a bus company, not so millions of miles away from here, making small electric buses have we engaged with them with them on it, and him, like he's got a wealth of experience on this kind of thing yeah so I'm really concerned that we're going to. reinvent wheels in saying we need to do another pilot to look at these vehicles for West Yorkshire because we're hilly, while there's a lot of other hilly places, done this, including Scotland, so I would hope that we could learn from them rather than trying to do it again, thank you.

thank you good in Leeds.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 2:17:23

them, thank you, if we haven't we will, with Dr Palmer, will pass that on to the

onto the team

Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:17:31

and the intention is that we would be able to share the EV strategy

we haven't Nolan, I will just messaging our colleague to see if you get a date for you, but she hasn't come quite come back to Jesse she's tipping, forget date before the in-commuting.

thank you Scott.

thank you Chair,

so I mean that this is a really good update and it's good to see it so

Cllr Scott Patient - 2:17:53

compiled in one place actually, and I think a big big victory from all of our local authorities probably follows through another suite of what's going on I'm sure I'd be interested for all elected members if it's not happening already and I'm sure it is.

I would just like to pitch to see a really good come strategy around this, it's bit proactive in showcasing to help people see the work that's going on and the impact of it as well into the work on net 0

making sure that's done right is really impactful and really easy to sort of disseminate you know with perhaps a 3 2 thing infographic to start with a bit more detail and then for the nerds quite the so adeptly stuff would, I think

be a really good way forward.

maybe all of us.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 2:18:41

thank you, thank you for that. It was actually going to be one of my questions ready

Item 12 is a bit of a roundup of things that have happened that are related to this committee and what I don't know was how the communications work within the Combined Authority, and clearly we have a Mayor and the Mayor as the spokesperson, but what comes from this committee that goes to the mayor, that then goes out. The best is that this, this particular committee, looked at these things, move these things on words raised these questions and look at Item 12. These are the things that are

either in train or having been completed, and I wondered where that goes in relation to communications and the Mayor

Cllr Scott Patient - 2:19:28

thank you so good, it's a good question so internally, from a planning for these meetings, we have outcomes, colleagues in the room, and we try if there are things of note when the papers are published and to actually do something, particularly where your weather's the things that we want to draw attention to the conversation that you're going to have, we do a press notice at the point of that point so then, if colleagues on the press would like to do this, they can and they know some of the things that are going to be talking about and then comes

Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:19:52

colleagues again after the session today,

we'll often do something which which presents back at the core of the conversation so Chair now now you're in your role as Chair. I was expecting OK on comes, colleagues, to liaise with you

on that

metadata and I also liaise directly with the Mayor on the agenda, so the mayor knows what's happening on the climate committee's agenda and to when I think chair there's hopefully going to be something after this committee that you're going to do with the Mayor. around some of the agenda items, so there's certainly things that we try and make the most of, but again, as always, we can do more.

thank you lots,

Cllr Scott Patient - 2:20:33

let's keep those things going John.

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 2:20:37

I was right to note about the air quality piece, there was a point in

Cllr Scott Patient - 2:20:41

on 2.4 2, whereas about the new strategy was anticipated in autumn winter 2023 will that come back to this committee to to be reviewed and updated?

thank you, yes, and

that's also very good timing, because my colleague has got back to me on one of the EV strategies are similar times timeframe, so I am wondering and kind of subject to what you think Chair there might be something where we have a bit of a workshop around some of these items.

but we'll come back to you on on the on the timeframes of on whether it's at the committee or there was something around that

alongside the EV strategy, which is similar, similar time temporary.

For Information

13 Date of the Next Meeting

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 2:21:29

people happy to note that reportage ban, and that brings us to the end of the agenda for the meeting, and the next meeting will be untutored the 24th of October.

less one thing to say just before you finish, sorry, if I may Chair

Cllr Scott Patient - 2:21:45

right back at the start of the meeting in the minutes, there was an action around writing around about Huddersfield bus station,

again it's handy having a laptop colleague has said that we did do that on the 23 of March but just to confirm that we are looking at Huddersfield solar panels on the Huddersfield Bus Station so, just to say

thanks.

if you look at it, if you look at your e-mails because of the keeper from the 23 of March Owen set out what that what that looked like

so, unfortunately,

but yes, I'm looking e-mails if you haven't got it, let me know, but sorry to I thought it's helpful for the minutes,

thank you. That's what I call very responsive officer officer work so

Cllr Jane Scullion, Chair - 2:22:27

next meeting October cannot say thank you to everybody on the committee, thank you for such a good discussion and contributions and thank you to the officer as for keeping us on the straight and narrow especially me, and I just thank you for your company and I look forward to October