Climate, Energy and Environment Committee - Tuesday 28 May 2024, 2:00pm - West Yorkshire Combined Authority Webcasting

Climate, Energy and Environment Committee
Tuesday, 28th May 2024 at 2:00pm 

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Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:00:00
Thank you, Chair and listen to.
Director of policing environment and place at the West, Yorkshire Combined Authority.
Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:00:56
Justin Wilson, Policy Manager, Environment and infrastructure.
Cllr Scott Patient Calderdale Council - 0:01:05
Picture Scott, passion, Deputy Leader, Calderdale Council, and a portfolio holder for current action on housing.
John Clark, I'm a private sector representative and I worked for Cummings.
John Clark (Private Sector Representative) - 0:01:14
Chris Davies, policy manager and transport decarbonisation.
Roseanna Brett-Davis - 0:01:20
The global research and intelligence team and the Combined Authority.
Kevin them with a policy of certainly Net Zero and energy team.
Andrew Thompson Lanzarote, Cub, manager of George Walter and representing Adam Ashman today.
Sara Brook - 0:01:40
Sarah Brook programme manager for retrofit at the Combined Authority.
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:01:48
Getting Richard's private sector member from consultant purpose limited.
hello Jim Caldwell, head of energy systems, pulsate Northern Powergrid.
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 0:01:56
Jenny Wilkinson, engagement lead for Northern Gas Networks and
Jenny Wilkinson - 0:02:02
covering for Neil Worley, head of climate sustainability.
Good afternoon everybody, Councillor Katy, Di from Leeds.
Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 0:02:10
Adam Hunt, Committee Services Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:02:16
Often Hunt's Committee supports Jane Atkinson, CEO of opinion.

1 Apologies for Absence

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:02:20
The other side.
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:02:29
all right I will press on with the agenda, then folks are all very welcome and apologies for absence Adam.
Apologies for absence had been received from Councillor Oby,
Adam Hunt, Committee Services Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:02:42
Councillor Cooper, Councillor Hemingway, Councillor Hance and Councillor Rock of us will have private representatives, Richard Goodfellow David Rumi, Rebecca Stewart, and family advisory of apps Adam Ashman, Sandpiper satisfactions management Thompson matter him broadcast.
Greg Dodds and representative Charlie Wilkinson, lean patterns.

2 Declaration of Disclosable Pecuniary Interests

thank you, Adam and of course it is half-term and some of you may
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:03:13
actually have young children at home and I'll be skipping from them and some s some may not, but and thank you I'll move on to Item 2 which is declaration of disposable a disclosable not just possible as it says in my briefing disclosable pecuniary interests can Members highlight one thing where they think there is a particular within these papers and the things that we're noting today any particular interests, particularly pecuniary interest, skiing,
Don't think there is, but I'll just mention that I do have a renewable
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:03:51
energy consultancy company, sorry for wind and solar, so I do want to make a point when we took by E bees about that, so I'll just there has no Barry well.
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:04:05
Will make a note of that, thank you Ann, and I'll move on to Item 3.

3 Exempt Information - Possible Exclusion of the Press and Public

Exempt information and agenda item 12, the EV infrastructure strategy contains some exempt information within the meaning of schedule 12 to the Local government Act 1972
And officers have looked weighed that up and considered that the public interest in maintaining the exemption.
Outweighs the public interest in disclosing the information, and you'll be familiar with this where there are commercial considerations, particularly for the reasons that are outlined in the report, so that's acceptable move on.

4 Minutes of the Meeting held on 13 February 2024

and we'll take a look at the minutes of the last meeting, which was the 13th of February, and although it doesn't say so in the notes I've got here, I was read the minutes thoroughly and I was delighted to notice that Gideon had picked officers up on acronyms and I was delighted to see that because we all fall into the habits of our own professional acronyms and is very useful to have those there's clearly laid out, there were some action points from the last meeting this do you want to just go through those
sir, thank you sorry, we particularly talked last time about IPC
Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:05:26
standards and I know Peter in the work that you've been doing you'd be looking at.
at this particularly for works for new buildings, which I think you've mentioned in the report kind of coming up, so we can discuss that in more detail,
When we come to your agenda item, so I think, as noted last Committee, we think that the inclusion of convergence with the within the IPC figures for new dwellings help explain some of that the residual proportion of new dwellings that fall below the IPCC so human breath we have this conversation and recognise that was quite a number of new buildings so we we thought of new buildings not reaching that standard so that the team have looked at that and we will continue to to do what we can with the information that we have, but that's what we have but that's kind of where we thought,
we also there was, there was some questioning around state of the region, and the indicators that you have asked us to look at the state of the region is being reviewed at the moment, so it's something that we can, we can think about going forward about what information is is both current nationally and locally accessible.
And I think we also had the conversation about indicators and the pathways work, and we got a private session at the end of this meeting to get a bit more detail into the pathways work, so I think the I think that is a bit of an ongoing piece of piece of work but please let's pick that up I think when we come to the t to the private conversation later,
there is also a questions about the flood alleviation schemes, I think particularly giddy and need ask some questions and officers have been back in touch with you directly, sorry, I think that's been picked up, it hasn't been resolved, thank you, thank you better neighborhoods you asked us to see a list of the projects and that's been circulated to my understanding contained some notes that that's hopefully happened.
and we also asked about the the big climate chat, and this is on the agenda under item 9, so hopefully it's either picked up in agenda items or has been dealt with directly with the members as needed.

5 Chair's Update

thank you Liz, and thank you for the comprehensive minutes in terms of
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:07:47
cherish report, I will certainly we've had a local council and combined authority elections since then and we're in the middle, of course, of a general election period, and so I would like to ask the elected Members who are here just to to hold back on the
political statements for for this meeting, perhaps.
Really congratulate Tracy Brabin on video, very handsome when I in the election, and I think it's really important that we have a mayor who is committed to addressing the climate emergency video. This committee will be lobbying and pressing her from different directions in the future. I've got one or two other things just to mention as part of my cherished report, the first is, and you will remember, I hope, the discussion that we had about the schools, audit of understanding that we come from different backgrounds, with different levels of knowledge in different areas, and the skills audit was carried out with members of the Committee and three actions from that schools, audits have been identified
The first of those is that a number of committee members talked about having assurance training in terms of the combined authorities assurance process, and not simply the sheer length of time it takes, but actually understand the different stages of the quality assurance process of the combined authority goes through. This is public money scandal to the Treasury and, I would argue, is also accountable to the good people of West Yorkshire, and so it is important that we understand our bit as the climate committee in relation to making decisions where money is being spent so that training to be arranged, and if I could just pause there,
I just canvass opinion in terms of timing for a session on the assurance process, Liz, do you want to just say something about the options?
10 m, so we are in them in the middle of updating some of the
Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:09:53
assurance process, we have been taking feedback from from partners, but we think we can either do something in July, so maybe hold a private workshop with yourselves or wait until the autumn 2 to do that so.
the kind of if there's any particular preferences so either be before the summer holidays or or some time after, let us know if, if you don't know true or choose one of them, but if you've got particular preferences then the opportunity to say,
any emerging thoughts, July or September, time any strong feelings in the room.
John
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:10:30
I would rather have it in July rather than September,
John Clark (Private Sector Representative) - 0:10:34
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:10:38
Yeah, I would prefer Julie gets very busy after of the school holidays.
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:10:42
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:10:48
Nothing MD, saying absolutely not so, rights officers, thank you go ahead.
the second of the three actions that came out of the skills audit was about identifying options for carbon literacy training list. You want to say something about the offer that we've had yeah, so maybe be aware that this will be called the north-east and Yorkshire net 0 Hub
Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:11:12
they are and sponsored by by government, and they have offered carbon literacy training. I think we wrote, we did right round actually to two members, it was a little while ago now about it, so they have offered some training. I've seen some looks which might suggest either we didn't so we didn't get to you so so sorry letters. Let us re remake that offer
I am also within the Combined Authority and we are now ourselves actually looking at carbon literacy, training and thinking about developing something which we can get, which can be endorsed externally, but we can be delivered internally, so there might be also an option to roll that out to members of this committee as well as internally within the Combined Authority as well, so why don't we take an action to redistribute the York and the north-east and Yorkshire Net Zero hub offer which you can take up directly all this, like I said, is an alternative in terms of thinking through something internally but that might take a little bit longer.
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:12:18
Thank you list, members, content them to take up the offer as as phase 1 stage 1 really, and we can develop and mature that the next next phase and the third action from the skills audit was just a bit of an update about the brownfield housing fund and that had come up I am very hopeful that whatever our political complexion, the new government has at the good to be masses of money into this, but we shall see Liz just quickly update us in terms of the brownfield housing fund.
thank you, so the question was asked about the number of homes that the fund is delivering and the sustainability of those, so if I may,
Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:12:59
read than the numbers, so to date the programme has 26 approved schemes that will deliver over 5,000 homes of which we are expecting 1,770 to be affordable and then in terms of energy efficiency ratings, all schemes will have UPC rating of C or above with at least 3,600 expected to be rating of A or B so that's obviously more about and accepted in terms of the the stop the standard which is a busy C.
Joe so.
We're expecting 3,600 homes to be a ruby, but obviously re the actual confirmed IPC ratings aren't available until homes are completed, but we're obviously hoping that that's what they'll reach, and the majority of homes is obviously still under construction, so we will wait to see that come to fruition, thank you Chair.
the
Thank you, Liz, and I attended the UK reef.
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:14:01
Property and Placemaking conference in Leeds last week, and I think there were about 13,000 people attending there on that question of retrofits and focus on our focus on West Yorkshire in relation to that was a really really strong, strong item, but we'll come back to that later on the agenda.
Actually, I think that's all from me in terms of highlights, if we could press straight on then to item 6.

6 Monitoring Indicators

I am monitoring indicators and that's over to you, Peter, thank you Chair. So the purpose of the paper is, as usual, to present new information, that's become available, available against the selected
Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:14:43
indicators since the last meeting, and also to revisit some of the points that were raised in the last meeting to provide clarification, and that's mainly around the BCS, and this has already touched on some aspects of that. So the first area to update against would be publicly available. EV charge points, electric vehicle charge points at the latest figures show continue to continue progress in the rollout of devices, in fact, there has been a 35% increase in the count devices in West Yorkshire in the latest year to April 2024 alone, it should be said that growth has come from a low base, so we have around 11th of devices in totaling West Yorkshire and the ratio per head of population is somewhat below the national average.
just a quick note on the source of the information, because it was a point of discussion last time, so the Department for Transport or Department for Transport figures that we use are drawn from a service called ZMapp which offers real-time data it claims to provide 95% coverage of devices.
and certainly it's the most comprehensive source available on the salt locations and publicly available charge points. So the next area to go on to ESA and energy performance certificates. We've included some further analysis of energy before energy efficiency performance, based on our own in-depth analysis of the PC data at 1.00 of the items we focused on is the scope for improvement in energy efficiency ratings. And what we find from the data is that four fifths of dwellings with a rating below C have the scope to be raised to a rating of C or, in addition, the potential to reduce carbon emissions from dwellings with an APC is estimated to be 42% through identified improvements. Now the key caveat here is all these estimates are subject to the technical issues and limitations associated with the PC data and the way in which the assessments conducted. But we think it is still a useful
benchmark,
Leeds also mentioned about the discussion regarding IPC performance of new dwellings.
Just to confirm that the information that we looked at last time does relate to new dwellings rather than some recently launched certificates, and the key question was about.
What is included in the residual residual 7% of new dwellings that fall below the rating of E PQQ and these already mentioned that building conversions are included as new dwellings are categorised as new dwellings, and we think that has a big impact then actually flagged as a separate category within the BBC data but we know that but they are included and we can see them through visual inspection of individual properties and see that they didn't make up parts of that category.
the other point to mention is the analysis we presented covers all IPC lodgement since 2008, the further back you go, the worse the energy efficiency performance of properties tends to be so, although that the classes of new dwellings that relates to monuments going back to 2008,
And the final sets of figures that will include is around fuel poverty, this is based on this relates to the number of households that spend more than 10% of their income after tax and housing costs and energy bills, and the figure at latest figures that we have show that 280,000 households or 29% of those in West Yorkshire are in fuel poverty.
But we need to update those figures again to reflect the more recent announcements around the energy price cap, but teacher.
Thank you, Peter, and the Committee are being asked to note the headline.
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:18:40
I note the analysis of the indicators and Peaches pulled out a number of issues for us to look at the EV infrastructure, the whole question of retrofitting IPC we've touched on already and the question of fuel poverty are there any particular things that members of the Committee want to comment upon I'm going to take sorry I wasn't sure you were indicating yourself to get in?
thanks for that.
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:19:16
just a couple of things or one correction on slide thoughts on number 38, you've got zone floods on tunes flooding to just to pick up on that one up just as a typo and in terms of the actual fuel poverty I understand the why it's linked to,
to your urine cup, but we need to look at this in a different way in some respects, because we need to look at it in terms of the actual energy that's use, as opposed to how much they're paying, so a lot of people on the on the lower end of the income scale.
If they're on meters, they're gonna be charged higher anyway, so there's a there's a distortion there in some of this that it would be nice to understand underneath that what we're actually talking about and what difference it will make if we could actually get the energy efficiency measures into those properties and then see what happens, I don't know if there's anything we can do with that tool from the government data, but it might be helpful if we could look at something in a survey of some form.
Thank you Scott, Councillor patient.
Sorry.
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:20:28
to authorise yet just really a question and the 42% savings or reduction in carbon emissions that you refer to, how do we correlate
Jane Atkinson, Deputy Chair - 0:20:40
that back to the better homes hub and the numbers that Liz was talking about, it would be really good to have a carbon emission reduction percentage that could be related to that.
I will address that second question for this, so I guess through the evaluation and the Sutton Farm monitoring exercise we can look at the the sort of improvement in terms of emissions that the the retrofit
Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:21:07
activity generated, it might well be higher than than 42% because that's the that's the average across the the housing stock for which we have epilepsy data but obviously with the caveat I mentioned around the quality of the PC data which is you know a subject or a subject of some debate but which you know we could like something that we could look through sort of post-doc evaluation.
Of the of the improvements that had been made.
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:21:38
and we might come back to that later into his ace.
ditto yes.
or a yearning in response in response to the first question, we do have the information from PCs around the sort of the energy side of things, and I guess we could look at areas that we know are deprived and where incomes are low and try and target.
Target in that way look at the the extent to which more deprived neighbourhoods for Ian or face a big a big gap there in terms of in terms of energy prices.
Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:22:13
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:22:17
Kidane, yeah, can we maybe see if there's anything in any A and people
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:22:22
might hand that national Engie?
Action, thank you.
They might have some better data on these kinds of things as well, thank you.
Thank you.
Noted.
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:22:40
One genuinely high generate emad worth to the fuel bank foundation as
Jenny Wilkinson - 0:22:46
well, they might feel, bank foundation might also have some of that kind of prepayment piece or whether that will fuel poverty and people claiming that extra top-up that we have got another source.
Just to mention that in when calculating the data and using the
Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:23:06
the sort of energy price calculation. We do use the prepayment sort of threshold rather than the sort of from the direct debit threshold, but let me just make a big difference to the values, but something we do. Thank you Christian from me really, and maybe it's for something for
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:23:21
us to pick up a bit later, but I'm conscious that we have now got combined authorities, more of them spread across the country and I'm wondering about compatibility in terms of what data is being collected in those regions and sub regions that can actually give us a degree of comparability in terms of data
That and are we are working with the same, with the same monitoring information, really, so it's a general point, not for this meeting, but to think about in terms of the future, before you come back, I'll take Councillor yeah, thank you Chair.
I guess just briefly on the beat thing, it was written in the news
Cllr Scott Patient Calderdale Council - 0:24:02
that West, through a report by houses, was so much Yorkshire has got the highest amount of heap eaves, requested from 2019 to 2023 behind Outer London in Greater Manchester. So that's something to be shout about, you know and and really push us to drive that infrastructure up. I just wonder, chair as part of a new sort of yeah, if you will then a new Soviet year if there's the possibility to for the committee to take a more thematic, deep dive approach in terms of monitoring, you know we do this, the H meeting and perhaps where there's indicators on certain themes, we can progress updates on projects relating to that theme. I'm saying this because I know that frequency of these meetings is reducing or were as well, so perhaps is the opportunity to do that. It might allow a bit of a deep discussion of what current work is expected to deliver and maybe a better reflection of whether the work meets the scale and pace needed as well. So
I guess I guess there's a final bit, I might also spot productive discussion on how local authorities and Wickham.
Best collide and do some of that work just really on Gideon's point, really sort of sparked a thought around, there's always variances in these things isn't there in these unknowns in how we are strapped late, some of that data, so just don't out there check,
Thank you, and I saw one or two nods around the room in terms of
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:25:25
thinking about and seems or deep dives in terms of some of the things before this committee, I should say that future frequency of meetings is something that will be discussed at the Combined Authority on the 20th of June rather than something that's been decided but certainly certainly saw around the room a few nods in terms of thinking about a deep dive into some of the specific areas because we are,
Covering a range range of subjects, and I think a number of us would find it useful ready, I'd like I'd like to explore EV charging strategy in Dundee, I know nothing that tenement blocks often often are often had easy charges sitting outside the tenement blocks serving a number of parking spaces nearby and of up who knew who knew you could have EPI charges but tenement blocks, but I just throw that in a
Are our thoughts in terms of some of the things that we can look at, where there is comparing compatibility across borders or getting good
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:26:30
on the last bit, can we have a road trip plus I've been meaning to go for a long time, everyone talked about other about the just go back, though, to the eaves and EV charging, I think we talk about it in terms of residence and per 100,000, and we're doing quite well what we have to remember, though, that there's a huge amount of the EV charging that is about people coming in and going out, so whether they're working or they're on the way through to somewhere else, and we really need to make sure that we get the right balance and the right mix of everything in terms of 12 times actually can have a huge influence on a on a town as well since some of their so the other thing that I was going to ask to go with this is to go with the deep dive. Is there any way some of us who have a particular interest in things can get more involved with the with the discussions on the way through as well.
Might be helpful
thank you for that, I'm not expecting you to come back at all of these
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:27:33
things, Peter, but that's that's very helpful, thank you.
Our other committee then content we've given the that a bit of a discussion members happy to note that particular report.
Thank you,
Kay we'll move on then to item 7, the better homes hub.
and it's at Sarah's at you that say to us, thank you Chair, so I won't
Sara Brook - 0:28:02
go through the full paper, but I'll just pick out the highlights just to give you an idea of the work that's been undertaken over the last few weeks, so this is just an update on the better homes retrofit programme.
Firstly, the programme responds to concerns that were raised by the respondents in the mayor's big climate chat, which I think is in item 9, particularly those relating to their home, the chart shows that a major barrier to reduce energy use and carbon emissions in the home is cost 69% lack of confidence in companies and tradespeople 39% and the level of disruption in their home 26% so the projects that,
I'll give you a quick update below directly consider and address some of these issues. Firstly, an update on the One Stop Shop work is now ongoing to develop the business case with the intention for this to be submitted to the Combined Authority for consideration at the September 24 meeting, subject to approval, contractors will be appointed to manage the profit provision of advice and the installation to residents in November, 24 is anticipated that the One Stop Shop will launch in 2025 after a short mobilisation period, so there's good progression of work on their. The second update is on the low interest loan
and this is the 1.5 million low interest domestic retrofit loan.
Lendl dodgy, an FCA regulated contractor, has been procured to administer the loan and they'll do that on behalf of the Combined Authority and a loan will be launched in June 24 and the marketing agency has been procured to develop the marketing campaign.
the loan will be open for applications until the end of March 26 or until all phone funds have been lent.
The third third scheme is the area based schemes.
Basically, following the approval of the business cases for Calderdale and Leeds, work has been undertaken in drafting and finalising the legal agreements and delivery on both of the Area based screams is forecast to commence in summer, I think someone's gonna be very busy fracture of it.
discussions on the Area based schemes are still continuing with remaining District partners, Bradford Kirk leaves and Wakefield the areas that we are looking to focus on is the blending of finance, which is partly gonna be tested in Leeds, but we need to do more work on how we bring the finance together and on customer communication and support had we helped the customers through that journey.
Fourthly, as the social housing decarbonisation fund, Wave 1 delivery has been complete hit and Desnoes have confirmed its completed, 916 properties have been retrofitted, Wave 2 is in delivery, with 542 properties retrofitted to date, with a potential of 17 100 Moore to be completed by September 25 dizziness have commenced consultation on Wave 3,
And we think they're gonna start to launch the bid again in summer this year.
I think we can give him more details so that at the next committee meeting, when we know more ourselves, next, a quick update on the solar collective buying scheme following a procurement exercise, the Combined Authority is looking to deliver the solar together West Yorkshire scheme. This is gonna be a collective buy-in scheme aimed at promoting the app adoption adoption adoption. I think I've said that correctly of solar PV panels battery storage and electric vehicle charging points. The Combined Authority is spending a direct marketing campaign to approximately 161,000 West Yorkshire household subject to the uptake of the scheme. The scheme expects to result in over 800 installations by March 2025
The contract is anticipated be signed in May 24, with installations projected to commence in September 24, and the launch is due for June 24.
And finally, the West Yorkshire Housing Partnership scheme, so this basically is a project working with the social housing providers.
The installations are projected to commence in August 24 and it could enable the delivery of solar panel installations of up to 1,500 social homes in West Yorkshire.
The CA is contributing 5.4 million to the total costs
and basically once implemented, it is estimated that the scheme will enable up to 915 tonnes of carbon emission savings per year.
Based on the economic appraisal, there was a potential revenue income of 282,000 pounds per year, which would be for roughly the life of the panels, which is 20 to 25 years.
and I think that really is an update of where we've got up to one-bed homes Hub any questions.
Thank you any questions or comments.
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:33:05
Katie
Thank you, and can I ask a question about the loan, it says it's going
Sara Brook - 0:33:13
to be launched at June 2024, so what form will that launch take?
how are we going to ensure that anybody who is interested will be able to find out about it?
Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 0:33:26
Yes, apologies I had asked for those details, I haven't got the details of the marketing campaign, but I will again, as soon as we have something firmed up, I'll get back to you.
Sara Brook - 0:33:37
Apologies, yes, could you?
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:33:42
I was wondering what the lung rate was in terms of trying to low-grade.
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:33:46
Doesn't say want.
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:33:55
I think 3 point to 6% is some Councils low in these last decades, really quite low.
Can I am abuse my position as Chair and come back to the Area based schemes, because I wanted to do undertook plug Goodale in relation to that.
You remember at a previous committee.
called the deal committing as an early adopter of our fabric first scheme, and I just want you to see a little bit about that. Because of course, the old cold stone buildings, the P 1919 buildings that we have so many, often in West Yorkshire and really cannot they're solid, that can't be fitted with cavity wall insulation and residents. Really, these are often quite small houses, they don't want the disruption of the internal insulation and, indeed, moving your kitchens and bathrooms fittings and things like that, so it's a real challenge, but it's a challenge we have to actually meet and address in West Yorkshire and the demonstrator scheme. That's going to happen in Calderdale, I can't say precisely where at this moment, especially looking at external wall, insulation these are these are. These are terraces
that we're talking about, looking at external wall, insulation for the homes, secondary rear elevations and the big gable walls. Of course, a lot of heaters lost lost through them and of course often they're in conservation areas, heritage areas, so the look of these things is really quite important.
And we did rather hope that they might be able to be done through permitted rights, you know where you don't need to go for planning permission, but it is looking like we are actually going to have to go for for planning permission.
And without giving anything away,
In terms of Calderdale, we're very far on with it and we've looked at obviously environmental data and we looked at deprivation data to identify suitable street the preferred target street is a row of 30 pre 19 stone-built homes all in private ownership of course in a particular area and the streets divided into five blocks with six homes in each block terrace and the blocks are separated by short, narrow alleyways which some of you who are Yorkshire folk or have lived here a long time like me at Guinness or Snicket's depending on your precise or jetty sometimes.
that runs the length of the terrace that is going to need a 100% sign up from the owners in order to have that continuous wrap-around to get the benefit in those terraces and but it comes back to a point that was made when Gidding was fishing for a site visit to Dundee outrageous that actually we'd be very keen actually for this committee to come to Calderdale and have a site visit once the demonstrator project is up and running so the ROSSETT code at all I mean come on.
so thank you, thank you for indulging me.
yeah, just to say that I would be really keen to take part in that,
Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 0:37:06
because it is something that I have a whole stack of probably very ignorant, but also technical questions about how you how you deal with that kind of building, so yes, please sign me up.
Yes, I can or will arrange that, once we have all the residents signed up, there might be a bit suspicious if we all stop.
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:37:29
before that, but certainly will organise something okay.
Sara Brook - 0:37:33
thank you, and of course there are lots of things to look at in Leeds
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:37:37
of site visits to Leeds in due course in terms of.

8 Local Transport Plan Update

A number of schemes actually be very good, okay, shall we move on then were asked in terms of that report to just simply to note for the Committee to note that reports of Members are content to do that we'll move on to Item 8 Local Transport Plan update and we did ask as a committee to make sure that where we're running,
Law was in parallel, but sometimes converging in terms of keeping on top of the importance of transport to this climate committee.
So I think that's Rosanna.
Roseanna Brett-Davis - 0:38:14
yes, thank you Chair, so this paper is to update on the progress with the Local Transport Plan, so a bit of a background to that is that them and the local transport plan is a statutory document setting out the vision, objectives and investment for transport for the future. We are so we're following it actually process to get it in place, we're looking at adoption some time in 2025. The plan that's in development is built on a range of other strategies and policy work, including the West Yorkshire Plan, the mass transit vision, bus service improvement plan, rail strategy and the climate and environment plan.
we are looking I to stage a quick consultation and engagement programme with the first of these two stages coming up this summer, that this will be on the vision, objectives and principles of the new Local Transport Plan, with a full statutory consultation later in 2025, so this work has been developed in co-development with District partners and looks particular focus on what is required to support better buses through bus franchising as well as mass transit.
so yes, is that it is the first stage of two stages we are looking at holding it's planned for the summer to run alongside a mass transit consultation, obviously with the recently announced election there'll be a slight delay to this, but we're hoping it's a very minimal delay and that we're waking up a new programme Abbott at this very moment and this programme will include district Ward Councillor briefings and events as well so that we pledge opportunities to engage in in what we're developing and what's coming forward.
and we're hoping there will be a revised programme very shortly, we're able to share,
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:39:58
thank you Rosanna any points that people have had from the reading of this consultation.
Scott
Cllr Scott Patient Calderdale Council - 0:40:08
thank you, and thank you as Hamlet for the report. I'll I'll I'll I'll say the same thing that I said at Transport Committee and I'll say it verbatim too, so it's not Watson another four or so here we go. The LCP needs to make sure the required step-change in road space reallocation and reducing car dominance through increased uptake of active moments in public transport if we fail to agree on the strategic principles and be bold and ambitious, and it will constrain our ability to meet our climate change, economic, social and environmental objectives,
I'd say it is vital, and this is further on in the room that Members participate in the process, so concerns can be raised and considers when they, as the LCP progresses I might call that Scott's active travel ramp version to point out, sorry they've been delivered in a public forum so thank you Chair,
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:40:58
thank you, Scott Gideon yeah, and I just wondered if we could have
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:41:00
maybe a bit of a thought on what's going to happen with the public transport and electrification of it, hopefully not hydrogen.
Going forward, but electrification of it, and where that's going, thank you.
That's a good point, it would be of particular interest to think in
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:41:23
terms of on this committee, in terms of just a bit of a focus on that, perhaps at the next next meeting.
And of course, I we've been talking about EV strategy and we have not been talking about, which is very much part of the overall transport plans in terms of mass transit, the LTP.
road road sharing and so on, but things like.
Given that the Mayor and the Combined Authority have agreed to progress the option for bus franchising, you think of all of the parts of the process of getting towards where say Manchester is Greater Manchester, as at the moment you think about debt EV strategy for depose, electrification of the bus fleet and all other things in relation to those things this committee has to really have or have a hand approx all of those aspects actually so, yes, thank you for that. That's very useful.
Roseanna Brett-Davis - 0:42:24
yeah very happy to be able to direct him on this effects of interested it to the committee, I very much agree that them all are electrification of the bus network was 0 emission vehicles of public transport is very important, we are CO, we currently have a programme under the under bus which looks at electrification of asset,
fortunately, the fleet were looking at how that works and the bus franchising now the ownership model may or may not have changed. We definitely bring more detail with that one on the hydrogen question. These are the were the because we've invested in growth from this point have all been on the electrification side, because that's where the technology is and we don't have hydrogen refuelling as yet in West Yorkshire. However, we're looking at the best technology for the bit in the right situation for West Yorkshire, and there is other work going on at this moment in time in hydrogen, which is informing this question, so it's a bit of a work in progress
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:43:19
Thank you, Rosana, I'm Members content them to note that reports and to keep transport really high up our agenda.
Good, Ian, yes, sorry, can I just make one further point on this, I'm
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:43:32
concerned that, certainly in smaller areas like Coakley's
And on not not speaking for the Council at all, but you know we end up by getting the older buses moved out to us if we're not careful how do we make sure there's an equity in terms of that we all get a share of this and actually yeah so it doesn't come into Leeds where there's a big hub or Bradford or somewhere else with these big pubs and we actually get to see the benefits of it.
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:44:06
You are speaking the language of Wakefield Kirklees and Calderdale at which officer wants to feel that yeah, that me them under, so we're
Roseanna Brett-Davis - 0:44:15
hoping that franchising helps to address this problem. Under previous bus funding models, where the government ran a programme called 0 emission bus route and area zebras will have an acronym which essentially said that they would provide the top-up funding. It was a competitive process. They would provide the top-up funding, 75% of the cost difference between a diesel bus and a net 0 emission bus, so it required operator investment and the operators were always going to want to invest, whether in the most commercial areas, in which case we had less influence about where these vehicles were going under the new system and the bus, French and chasing they should give us much greater control about how and where this money spent. So we're hoping to overcome some of these previous issues. We certainly found in the past Scott
thank you to them.
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:45:00
I'm not sure I'm not really good to, I just remembered something that was probably worth mentioning to this group, so this is related to so on the 27th of June 0 and again quick port for Calderdale active travel England out Howson ambition even at Todmorden Town Hall so I much and some of the stuff that probably going to filter through the LTP will be relevant there and Chris Boardman is during the during a
Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:45:25
talk I am we've got other people so perhaps an opportunity to bring
Cllr Scott Patient Calderdale Council - 0:45:30
some of these discussions together especially on the actual thank you
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:45:34
and I think it's one of the challenges for us as stir numbers cancers for that sector and different organisations involved in this committee in terms of the general work of the Combined Authority and ensure that the same Thomas were running a big programme that's about last transit and future I'd like see transcend Colsterdale please sir sir the later ideally for Leeds and bank for unrealistic and at the same time as were looking at the LTP working or franchising where looking exactly the same bra and and decent fleet of electric buses an hour having the money that the money coming down from central government in these different parts of a trying to hold that altogether for West Yorkshire for all five districts vary and isn't easy to get your head around all of these different funding pots and funding streams and that's why I think we do need to emerge engage with this particular consultation coming up mature that everybody on this committee knows about and has the opportunities but also that we keep in this committee trying to pull out those threads and to use our own lobbying and soft influence as much as we can be to put those issues at the top of top of the agenda
that sum is not easy
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:47:02
members content or to note not that I progress update on the LTP including the plans for this engagement in the summer
thank you and we will move on I to the Mirror's big climate chat and that's Rizzi over tier Izzy

9 Mayor's Big Climate Chat Update

thank you and how we might have had a good bank holiday they get the rained on yes we so we've got some stats in the update so he found
Rosie Hughes, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:47:33
that interest Interead I thought was particularly interesting was the fact that out of the 1 thousand 483 responses we had a 75 percent here were worried or very worried
about the climate environment emergency and 80 percent of people said they were prepared to do their bit so I thought that was quite encouraging there were a few written comments that people put in the free text boxes which I thought might be quite interesting for some myth-busting exercises and people say things about swipe hasn't quite got across and to the public properly and a few message that we can use like we've already said in it for the better homes hope in terms of fee using the messaging to overcome those barriers so people have told us yes needs to be more affordable sets for the low low interest loans and the list of coined trusted contractors could come in
and also some data from that main a big climate shot survey has also gone to the local nature recovery strategy team and to help there's a section on on Cabinet resilience in there
and also the separate service for young people as well when we had a an 11 week engagement period for that survey I am almost 400 surveys completed and from there you see concedes 66 percent of people though the young people that responded felt that tackling the climb environment emergency as important or very important
37 percent for I'd like to learn more 66 percent weren't sure what a green job was which find thing I don't necessary know what one is even so that's quite quite normal owes the might recently there we could do a skills and with them and and yes yes but the rest of some some stats there in in that report that I hope you'll find interesting so our next stages will be to look at the climate if I'm plan I know we have to really good focus groups with some some people fast and really good really good idea this he's got so really good ideas brought forward so whether we can go back to those thankful perhaps and to to really use people's expertise to write the next version of the Plan
and also and yet for this next behavioural change campaign as well because it's important not to stir you know to keep not to stop just to keep going and see how we can reach people and go through this we thought that may be was a survey bit too long but what 50 minutes if to answer it, so that is asking for quite a bit of people's time, is there a better way of reaching people focus groups I thought went quite well, so whether we do more things face-to-face.
and for the young people as well, actually going, we actually it went into one of the colleges and spoke to some of the pupils face-to-face, and again that was quite a nice way of engaging with people. So again I'm hoping this. This will help us with the next stage. You know what we learn from this round, so maybe you know not just the survey or if we do a shorter survey just to try and get more people involved and what pups opinions cause
this affects everybody, don't have to be interested in climate change to to want to answer and be involved, and all of these things is not just about the client, but it helps with air quality and quality of life and you know hits them with different things so yeah, what we can do going forwards, but I mean if Members here do have any ideas of something that you know you might think all this might work, you're very interested to hear if there's anything that we can consider
We are in our next steps as well, be very happy to hear people's ideas.
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:51:11
thank you any comments on the survey or run suggestions for further ways of engagement John
John Clark (Private Sector Representative) - 0:51:18
just a pork, really, the second to the 4th of July is stomp fest in Bradford in the life centre, whether the about three and a half thousand schoolchildren coming through, so in terms of engagement with carers at home.
I just think it'd be a fantastic opportunity to do that.
Get in first one and then J.
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:51:45
A couple of things have been doing some work internationally recently
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:51:49
on environmental, social governance, and one of the things that was brought up for us was that some organisations are now using competitions and gaming to actually bring out these, and particularly in China, actually they've been using it very effectively and it's just like how you create these competitions internally and externally and how you create these games, so maybe you got to have a chat about that afterwards.
And the other thing I wanted to say was yeah, there's a lot of things coming out recently about where we sit with the the 1.5 2 or worse, which is likely to be worse and a lot worse.
yeah, I think we need to get start getting the message across to people without frightening all out everyone that actually this is real and it's it's got some significant impacts of people, and we need to start thinking about this really seriously how we get that messaging across without touch it, as I said, either switching people off and they give off or that we you know, we give them and get everyone into do miss a month or whatever, but I think it's really important as if we're talking about as Stephen to the X secretary of energy in the EU, in the US said we took about three and full degrees that is hugely hugely significant. We're talking about 200 million people for
The migration because of and things like that, so there are massive things that we're gonna need to tackle going forwards, and we need to start thinking about how we're gonna get those messages across to drive some of what we need to do.
yeah, I mean there's some amazing data.
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:53:43
And that's why it's really good news, but my Mackie question I asked asked myself was somewhat, how are we going to use this data, how is it gonna shape sort of the policy, etc and then the other thing for me is?
you know especially humpy, I didn't realise how how indecisive some of our young people are. They seem to have picked a lot of the middle of the road rather than go and just can continue getting more data. Are we better giving them a variety of solutions and saying How would this address this actually get some data that will you know, then we can show people when we're delivering these initiatives. You know you ask for this and this what we gave, rather than just keep going and asking
Roseanna Brett-Davis - 0:54:21
more questions about what's worrying you, etc
Because otherwise we're just collecting more and more data, and we're not being seen to be doing anything with it.
Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 0:54:28
Thank you, yes, yes, sorry, yes, so yeah, so now we know we have the data. Yes, you're right, maybe let's not think about another data collection exercise, but I know there was a group with her with the
Roseanna Brett-Davis - 0:54:43
Mayor, some young people, and they came up with some solutions. You know it was like if you think of a policy, if you can think of
Rosie Hughes, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:54:47
behavioural change and of course you get some incredible ideas, and so maybe there, that is, that is more of the way forward with this for young people, yeah, but Rosie, how do we feed that back into the
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:54:58
Committee because if we're talking about the transfer plans, we're talking about everything out, how do we collect that data that the youngsters have given you in that survey and embedding it in
Jane Atkinson, Deputy Chair - 0:55:08
because if we do have some room in the climate Local Plan
that that would that could be something battle in that we can use for
Rosie Hughes, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:55:16
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:55:21
it to actually feed into now you do refer within the report to an behave behavioural change and chances specifically education in relation to young people which picks up some of the points that good in was making so I think this Committee or saying we'd like to actually see some of that please
sculpted you wanted to come in yeah thank you and and and and thanks Russell Road Russ answer it was really good to be part of though I
Cllr Scott Patient Calderdale Council - 0:55:47
think in-depth conversations and we got some really rich they are out of them agus that'd be good at the end to see the stats displayed a bit more visually no tables and charts you know they're always helpful and accessible for people to look at erm I do wonder though like I think to the data shows that Local Authority led consultation this own can be met perhaps a bit more significant just in drawing in that drawing in the people that they know and knowing their Patchell of it better I know that's probably got some important implications for future consultations if engagement is with the Combined Authority's goal make sure that works properly I'm just think about ED I as well erm slightly unsure as to how how workers approach to call in diversity regarding the engagement and if it's done that
top tip just just really about it you know how to manage that much probably a key question to make sure diverse voices are heard we know it's always difficult and we do in our climate action Plan engaged from outer electorally go to schools to pull out of it because we know young people got voice but then so hot on filling forms in the don't blame them nor was I at that age so yeah a few bits there are just some just some just some net P Nick nip picky bets about erm the stats and called Elvis is Wakefield versus wicker MOT response looks like I'd say that if you add call it else in person workshop attendance that Ops the stats as to what we got that's less important actually than the rest of the stuff I mentioned though thank you it's not a competition cancer patient and good teeth Gitmo kit he then Gideon
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:57:30
than entering Katie thank you I wanted to pick up on the on the green
Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 0:57:34
jobs thing I it's something that we we discussed around this table before haven't we and the idea of what exactly is a green job and does it matter if young people know what a green job is or not as as long as they presented with the information to be able to have a career in in green jobs rarely so I'm kind of less bothered by that then where do we go next were there in terms of engaging with young people in terms of careers fairs and places where young people get information
there are places throughout the papers for to today's meeting where we talk about skills shortages and the things we don't need in terms of Evie's in terms of yeah heat pump some things so how can we use that really to get at young people kind of where young people are but with the information that allows them to make those choices because certainly in Oldham a lot of young people's careers information doesn't come from people who have that knowledge that comes from that their peers or their families or teachers who were behind the time so I think that's that's something that's really important so you know the game to the STEM first going to careers as getting at places where
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:58:58
where young people are and then one more points that I've loss of last
Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 0:59:02
how much climate information young people get from TikTok but it was a frightening amount of
and you know there is there's some very dodgy science around on on TikTok and I think that you know there's something that
we really do need to be aware of me getting the point you made about the the changes come in our way
how many young people are aware of that I certainly see an increase in number of not just young people but people who are kind of anti the the climate science that surround which I find is really worrying and so you can we is there anything we can do to kind of work across that
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 0:59:49
really thank you catty and good to take Gideon Andrew and then and good compactor Rosie and possibly Liz to wrap up thank you thank so
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:59:57
I'm yeah I think I minute think I am an agreed job but it to it because I really don't know or green jobs' either and I think it's an a really important part voids and think about this. These jobs that are in a green space may be would be a better way of putting it. I just want to pick up on something that Councillor patient said, and that is that not all councils are good at communicating and especially when it comes down to consultations, I have to say that my own is poor or during this maybe put it that way and we have that battle all the time I know so many people and we did that when they did. The E V
Consultation, no one knew about it, they were going to do an event, no-one knew about it, so if we're going to do these things, we need to make sure that everyone knows where to get the information.
Thank you for.
also coming back to the the green jobs question, so I said on the the Yorkshire and Humber steering group of Iemma which leads to Environmental Management and Assessment and there's been a lot of work done within the Institute and other bodies over the last year looking at green jobs looking at the value looking at the average salaries, et cetera this is a tremendous amount of dichotomy, this huge diversity and what a great job is so I think reaching out to some of the institutes.
I am a f r I sit, I see R S and others you know I went sigh when they will, they will tell you there's a plethora of green jobs out there, I think the the interesting thing I find from the survey responses is pretty much indicative of the way I feel with conversations with people around climate change.
people have a broad understanding of the issue, but their depth is very superficial when it comes down to that sort of response to the question on green jobs is an indicator really to me. You have have deep people's knowledge goes. So if you take that as a sort of an area where you need to drill it and do more education, and they start to share more than I think it's really important, then coming back to Councillor patient's point on an idea, I think, encouraging ag STEM getting getting STEM education into schools really really critically important. There are lots of jobs which are going to go by the wayside, and I will work in a particular sector which is there are challenged, as you will all know, at the moment, and encouraging people integrate jobs, and we probably have, I would say, 50% of the jobs that we have in our sector are green jobs, we have biodiversity specialists, we have people who are river, health specialists, et cetera, et cetera,
Tremendous amounts of opportunity, but they need to be promoted and encouraged, and that that is a along and rewarding ultimately wrote to with the travel pocket of that, thank you Chair.
Thank you, Rosie do what you can to help.
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:02:57
Respond at this moment, thank everybody, a really good points them and yeah especially, I'll take away the immediate question as well, because I think that's that's a good point and thank you for for all of that and yesterday to take away with and yes some some graphs are coming soon.
Roseanna Brett-Davis - 1:03:15
Thank you, thank you, Chris, do you want to add anything, thank you I I, as Rosie said, the the team worked hard to get to put the results in this area, so they are the kind of kind of hot off the press once
Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:03:25
they will be finessed, I'm sure in the final report and Rosie let's send round the link when the reports published to the committee.
ahead of the ahead of the next meeting so that you can see it presented, I think on skills it's a really useful conversation to have we haven't got a skills update or in today's agenda, but maybe we need to come back to that or at the next meeting says we have discussed it before. I think there's a lot we can do to help people understand the skill sets that are required to go in and whatever whatever green job looks like is quite broad actually, and there's a real opportunity
to convert the Year 2 to infuse can of young people and and others making career choices.
because as well as we talked a lot about young people, but I think it's also about people throughout their career and being ready to retrain,
Etc so let's come back to skills if we make a and at a future meeting, because we are investing and funding into it, as you know, so let's get an update for where that's going, thank you.
getting what you indicating or simply gesturing.
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:04:36
the chairs notes here I say that committee to consider the results of the survey, I think we've done that to note that indeed, as I mentioned, they inform behaviour change campaign will grow from this following the analysis and to endorse the proposal that there is a review of the young people engagement approach on this topic with possible development of a climate education programme and some nice offers from around the table. so Members content those thank you very much, thank you Rosie.

10 Local Nature Recovery Strategy Update

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:05:16
the next item Local nature recovered the Corporate Strategy update and that's over to Justin thank you Chair again I won't read down the
Justin Wilson, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:05:26
phone all I am just to recap a few points, so if looking at its recovery strategy and this is the third about,
that the Committees have on the Eleanor S, and that follows updates in March and October last year. Just very brief background. We align our system is a new mandatory network with special strategies for nature, with the CIB, nominated by Defra as responsible bodies fascinate, essentially they're gonna. Delete offer West Yorkshire working with our supporting authorities, which includes the West Yorkshire districts, the PTC, national park and natural England. It tells us what it will include.
It will include a
Opportunities for habitat improvement and restoration, which could improve ecological networks, and also map proposals for a specific action and to drive nature recovery forward.
Will also identify opportunities for wider benefits that's including health and wellbeing and air quality, flood resilience and access to green and good quality green space. The Government's not confirmed this year, but I think we're looking for Eleanor, has to be periodically updated. It's broader between 3 or 10 years and that'll be refined as we move forward, and I think it's important to note that, Eleanor asked of allocate land formally, they're not like a local plan. They're essentially opportunity maps that will identify areas where action can deliver the most benefits in terms of nature, recovery and thus wider benefits. I mentioned before, and Elena s also have an important role in terms of biodiversity, net gain
and that's broadly the mechanism for offsetting biodiversity loss incurred through new development.
in terms of the West Yorkshire programme broadly, we're equally in engagement mode which I will touch on in a second, and we're looking to consult on a draft version of the of the strategy the winter around them, December February this year of 78 February early early next year with a summer publication of the final local nature recovery strategy so just briefly in terms of progress since the last update in March,
a lot batsman walks around the governance and resourcing, and also the engagement elements with the of the programme, so a steering group is now being set up, which includes a membership from local authority partners and key stakeholders, and their role is to drive collaboration with our wider stakeholder network and also highlight potential risks so we've got the membership of that group in Appendix 3 I believe one day in the pack.
in terms of resourcing we've reallocated resources across the for the service area asset within and also my team and we've also dedicated we've got a dedicated role now looking at the the digital mapping so that's a GSS officer geographical information system analyst and some of the early work from officers post as been included in the pack at Appendix 2 at 1.00 and 2 for information providing a bit of a snapshot of the baseline scenarios that's a known site with an ecological value within each district house will build from that as we move forward and identify further opportunities financial recovery,
and mentioned earlier, engagement has been one of the main phases of work for us, obviously we've sat to put pen to paper, but generally we're in that kind of knowledge gathering finds at the moment with focus on hard to reach groups and also our local authority partners, business and commercial groups, young people and key ecological organisations that will be driving it forward again after the general election period.
one highlight that I would like to pull out from the report and have a bit of a discussion about today with them catering committee members is we are engaging with hard to reach groups and so sickly on the farmer landowner side of things, so in November last year we procured and getting specialists street space and nifty sustainability.
To lead our engagement with this group with a bespoke from the Combined Authority officers, and this is on the basis of the findings of a series of Eleanora pilots, which will run nationally by Defra and the identified farmers and landowners as particularly with some of the hardest to reach groups in this in this setting is a lot of kind of backstory and and rationale for that but isn't the seasonality they work, the variety of them and also I think over time is a bit mistrust in terms of some of the programmes and projects that have been put forward in those areas and maybe haven't had the desired outcome in some cases, in terms of the engagement that the consultants developed. It was under the participatory democracy approach geezer, that correctly and in essence this is moving beyond traditional consultation. Were you going out asking questions and feeding back, but it's about meeting people in their everyday environment have a meaningful collaborate collaborator discussions and incorrect and co-creating a vision for change, and so you get the best consensus view from that cohort that you're engaging with
And I think in terms of being good for the farmer and landowner kind of cohort over four months, we engaged with 280 people over 11 established events and over 30 interviews, and it included will say innovative, but new and interesting ways of dealing things, so we did a winter framework and we also hired a young farmer.
To work within a consultancy team, with our with my team, essentially to be the advocate for the the, because some of the messaging that we're pulling out and some of the questions that we're asking of a trusted partner effectively.
so in terms of the
discussions that I would like to try to have today is in the pack, so page 83 we've pulled out some of the key principles from the farmer landowner engagement we should like to kind of test with you, and one can highlight intended some of the findings that we received the quite interesting I think some of them.
I mean difficult to argue with in terms of the the thought process behind them bobsleigh we have the week goes into the unrest strategy itself, which has its own rules and regulations siren voice, in terms of what he can and can't do, and so I think well what we're asking for, especially whether, conversely, you disturb the some of these principles and and opportunities that have been flanked by the farmer landowners correlate with your understanding of that community within your your districts and also do you foresee any issues in terms of driving us forward in terms of the Anonymous itself and certainly Broady where I kind of pass back to you Chair and see if there are any
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:12:18
Justin Wilson, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:12:21
any questions. Thank you, Jane, yes, and the six principles ready. For
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:12:24
me, one to four are practically the same, and it's about in good surveys, about continual engagement without hard to reach audience and ano celebrating success. A lot of us, and I am I'm not very good at celebrating success and trying to inspire others ha how did way beyond the Alan you know, they they the plan that it produced him, which is
Jane Atkinson, Deputy Chair - 1:12:48
three to five years, updating. How do we keep the energy and the continual engagement up with this because it will fail if we don't
no, thank you for that, that's a really good question.
one comment, so I think, as I touched on earlier with the way we did
Justin Wilson, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:13:05
this with our fans, landowners, it will be sensitive because we have had that in the past where various tools, from different areas of government of have been and gone happened and left a bit of collateral in some cases so we're keen to start them on this journey and then take them take them with us, so obviously all Harris's partner.
But we're also trying to do now is think about the wraparound CAMHS service from an it's recovery point of view that we need to engineer around the so some of that. This will touch on the latter item in terms of climate environment plan, of some of his outside of the look there on Earth itself, but then needs to think about how we deliver that inaction as well. So we've got to look an action plan, delivery plan, where we want to call it alongside that, and I think that's where we get those networks established and we've got some really good contacts now in that community and we take them along with us and equally through these initial phase of engagement, we're trying to programme in phases where we do this that feeding back that he said this, and this is how it's affected the effectively the illness and, in some cases wild manga work. Mako might be a local authority issue might be something that we maybe have engaged with central government on to kind of push or maybe a wider change, but he's that kind of,
communication. Just keep not going all the way through. I think that's the main thing that we said and an equally to show in delivery at the end of it, not just during the strategy and then leaving it
for other people to seek to deliver. Can I just ask about some of the
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:14:28
things that we, as the five district authorities, are already doing, and you'll know about this already Justine in terms of the engagement that we've had around flooding and
landowners and farmers in terms of much of the land which, in West Yorkshire, which is at risk of flooding, is not in public sector ownership but actually is in private sector ownership, and we can begin to tackle some of the flooding issues without those so there's really there are various programmes that we take part in in terms of working with farmers and riparian landowners to make sure that they are on board and taking part in those schemes and understand the benefits, etc the second strand or arm, I thought was worth mentioning, which is the
stand by for some more abbreviations, UK SDF Fund, which was in the news this week because it was talking about shifting that from what is funding at the moment into the new idea about national service, but I will go into that.
But the UK shared prosperity fund, which is a replacement for European funding directed into combined authorities and councils, some of that money was particularly earmarked for levelling up in rural communities or semi rural communities in terms of promoting diversification for those engaged in agriculture and in terms of land improvement etc and there's a little subcommittee.
Which helps advice on that, which has got a number of very good local, you know, and if you various Rural Commission, etc organisations return, it seems to me we could join that up a bit in terms of what we're doing, luckily as the five districts on the flooding agenda but also what we're doing with rural.
blunders and and people, occupiers in terms of the diversification and, in some ways, the splits, with some of that diversification of activities going into the future. So that was slightly rambling, but I think that those two those two points, so it's two streams we could actually bring into this agenda and I have to learn to say or you said it so beautifully and fluently, all n r s yet another abbreviation to get to grips with
Thank you, yet no one really good points.
Cllr Scott Patient Calderdale Council - 1:17:10
just just following that, and I know it's gonna be challenging, but I think it's in the project dates is gonna be vital, you know it's next summer, isn't it for everything to be done and every effort really should be made to try and hit. Those are nowhere in a state of flux at the moment, but I think I think you in good stead to I'm sure others round the table, will be really happy in how you've convened conversations so far and talking about you know bringing a young farmer on sir at children's books about the I think we know the item before likely doing it already keep doing that kind of stuff that's brilliant in terms of bringing those voices on and we'll have an opportunity to map. Don't we in Calderdale as Councillor Scully and certainly really good for us to have some of those that we've done on? You know natural flood management and sustainable drainage to allow them to a bit of teeth. So I thank you
Katie
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:18:09
thank you, I just wanted to come in on the principle seen as he had
Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 1:18:13
asked for some feedback on that and I yeah, I'm
happy with all of them a little bit hesitant about six, although I can I can see the sense in it.
but particularly to the the work from the bottom up and be flexible, I think, especially considering the comments you've made about issues of historical distrust and and so on, I think that was particularly important.
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:18:42
Thank you, you, nothing, those thus comments Justin.
Members, content to note Lubetkin, and also to give further thought to the question of farmer and londoner engagement for their ideas, John Quicken.
John Clark (Private Sector Representative) - 1:18:55
I guess it just you know thinking about landowners and farmers, and you know one of the ones that seemed to be missing is the economic benefit to them. Is there an economic benefit from one of the principles that would help that engagement because that will genuinely drive quite a bit of engagement from them,
Justin Wilson, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:19:15
yes, as I think in terms of I'll say, we're not allocating on directly through this, it's Isaac say it's an opportunity to mark, and I'd say repeat himself, but.
I think it will funnel investment into these areas, potentially so given the that's CAP, not the carrot and stick, but the opportunities for that community is engaged with this give us a clear view on what your priorities and opportunities are and if we can then map them alongside some of the other opportunities that could funnel I mentioned bad with badass net grain expenditure yr before and that could have a cow benefit in terms of delivering nature recovery but also improving flood resilience on areas of flood family land, floods,
kind of cannot resilience agenda as well in terms of tree cover Bramley have been calling for livestock, potentially so a lot of the opportunities that we can hook him that actually deliberate bend net benefit to those areas rather than it would be seen as something that has been thrust upon them as a another ask on the end of the piece,
my reason for the comment was more about trying to emphasise the
John Clark (Private Sector Representative) - 1:20:16
positives rather than the that the stick approach, but is to be able to just articulate how they might get benefit out of it economically. Thank you yes, and will touch on this again when we talk about either
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:20:26
of our city net gains, I'm I'm very conscious that many of the some are some of the launderers. I'm not farmers but are organisations like Yorkshire, Water who or much of the upland rural area in in Calderdale and we have very good relationships in terms of talking about mutual interest and mutual areas of concern. So Members content to note that particular report. Thank you

11 Climate and Environment Plan Update

have good press on then to item 11 climate and environment plan update and Kevin. I think that's you, thank you, Chair yeah sorry, I just say that the purpose of the report is to provide an overview of selected activity, delivering against the climate environment, plans that have not covered elsewhere in the agenda, and just some key points to flag within that. So 48% of actions within the comedy environment plan are complete or remain on track to be achieved by the end of 2024
with a further 45% of actions in progress, with significant progress expected to be achieved by December, and that's an increase of 7%, based on the previous progress reported at the last meeting of the Committee.
Some additional points, the solar on schools and community building work stream is no longer being taken forward, as the market failure which the work stream was seeking to address, isn't it is no longer apparent, so either market is able now to deliver the project without the need for CA funding and other delivery models have been been identified.
and another point to flag is around our private sector partnership, so for private sector organisations, Centrica Dyke, in SSS, E and Sustainable Building Services have been appointed to the first West Yorkshire Strategic Head of climate and environment partnership.
so basically, that partnership has been established to enable close working relationships with the private sector and to facilitate an increase in the delivery of schemes in order to tackle the climate emergency, so basically under that partnership, the selected organisations and CA, as well as the districts work together to accelerate the deployment of schemes that contribute to our common environment objectives.
so those are just the key points that I was I've been asked the highlights over by teacher.
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:22:49
thank you and you've pulled out, particularly the number of actions that are complete or on track as those that are in progress and generally continued steady progress, the solar issue in relation to schools, which I suspect will certainly I and I other committee members, might like a bit of a further unfolding of that issue and the work with the four private sector organisations to help.
The work to go forward, could you possibly just touch a little bit more on the store on schools and community building, work stream no longer being taken forward because there was there was a gap, there was a market failure.
The public sector, in the shape of the Combined Authority, help to fill that, but those circumstances no longer prevail. Could you just unfold that a bit for the committee,
yeah, I believe it's it's para 2.13 of the of the report which speaks to that, but essentially there has been a new delivery model that's been identified, which allows all EIS to take a portfolio approach to the installations, so proportion of energy generated and sold by schools is being used to repays at a capital cost of installation so essentially it allows.
the approach in our smaller schools to be subsidised by installations at larger schools, so that the element of of cross-subsidisation there, I think.
and I think we have the CA has updated partner councils and some support is going to be provided on transitioning to that portfolio type approach,
before the scheme is closed.
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:24:39
Okay, thank you for that I certainly wasn't aware of that since and certainly if it is as described then support in terms of the transitions thinking about rural and semi rural areas across the whole sub region in terms of smaller schools and larger schools, I know the pressure that the education sector is under really and certainly support from the Combined Authority through that transition seems a very valuable thing to happen getting.
yeah, I think I'd like to know more about this one, because energy
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 1:25:12
supply contracts, which effectively this is, is for the schools.
I have, typically in the UK, not being very effective and I'm talking about back to 2004 when I started looking at them because the cost differential on them, so I'm just wondering how that's really gonna work, especially with the academies right it's all well and good if this school is under this new account the local authorities.
remit, but if it were an Academy and most are now how that works.
yeah, just to say, I don't have the details to hand, but I'm very happy to take questions back, basically and Kevin thank you, I've just
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:26:00
asked for this to come in response. Thank you. Thank you. I'm more than happy to you know to outside of this to give you some more detail, because we did do a market exercise to try and talk to
Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:26:10
suppliers, so the team had done that and this is based on their feedback, but we can provide you a bit more of that information. I think the challenges is that when you put in public money in, it needs to be a viability gap, and I think what's come back is that that gap isn't where we thought it was when we initially launched. This is something we thought we wanted to do
the focus has, though, been on those buildings within the public local authority public ownership, so it wasn't a scheme that was set up for academies in the first place it was, it was focused on thinking about the the assets in public with other public authorities that local authorities are within their remit so we haven't looked at academies because this is the scheme was for local authority schools but that's that is the information we've had back about that.
it is been, it was difficult and to be able to make a case because the viability gap just wasn't wasn't coming across in the way that we thought it would be initially, and you you all said, let's do this and we said yet greater lending, we've got the information back and that's what it's come back to us, so that's one,
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:27:10
thank you, Andrew, and then getting religious thought about the pursuit of the comments we've had as a bit of a golden thread running through about the collective purchasing power, and I guess the more we can bring into the sort of the mix to you know to buy to buy panels to deploy systems. The people have the Chief of hopefully the prices get so, I guess, taking that thought away. Bringing in the private schools, the academy schools as well, bringing in other non-school into the sort of purchasing collective but then having yourself focus on on on the public sector schools as well as a sort of a
The target seemed to be important, but that collective purchasing seems to be something we should be really leveraging as much as possible.
will be certainly buying on solar panels ourselves over the next the next 5 7 years, so conversations also welcome thank you get in.
Yeah, I think I'd really echo Andrew's comment that
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 1:28:11
I think I know from my own experience talking to academies that they are struggling to find a way to do this, you know they'll wants to it, but it's at capital costs and how do we actually make some something worthwhile also we've got a huge amounts of organisations who are not-for-profits who own buildings and are struggling to keep them going as well now answer.
All communities in Kirklees, we have a community energy programme that being looked at, and you know, we've got huge amounts of of organisations, 400 more saying we've got these buildings, we just don't know how to keep them going because they're usually on leaky.
And all the rest of it, so how do we know how could that be supported with it as well, because they are benefiting the whole of the communities, so I think if we could look at it at a bigger, broader picture on this would be helpful
well, let's asked officers to just go in and think about that, and I
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:29:19
know also within the framework of that, the rules of the combined authority and whether there is any useful practice elsewhere that we could steal, or rather recycle and reuse purpose as we like to do.
anything else to add Jason, or is that sorry I've lost loss of the we must swear, I am Kevin supplied as there was a question you asked her about the the partnership with PB or private sector organisations, so
Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:29:53
I think this committee knows and you've been suggesting that we have before to greater relationships with the private sector.
So we had an expression of interest in I'm going to say April at
where we we we talked about in Nice special interest anybody he wanted to enter partnership is not a there's no money changing hands so this is not a procurement exercise in the same way this is recognising that if you're going to enter into partnerships and wanted to be open about he might be possible in entering into that and it's really about or here we can work with you is investing already or will be investing in the region and how we can work together to shape that investment in thinking about where we might be able to count think things like showing information through that partnership so the team are working at the moment on more specificity about what an MOU between the organisations might look like and were happy to share that in channels we have that with with the Committee and a bit more about the detail of what that partnership would look right but this is the first step towards doing more and there are partnerships in place at other Combined authorities you mentioned Chair we are we looking mentioned any about looking at other Combined authorities and the West Midlands have a happy partnership with the S E and so we've been talking to them and trying to to learn lessons from that approach so we can keep the Committee updated but hopefully is like says is something that you have you said to us in the past about trying to forge better and closer working relations with the private sector to this is the first
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:31:32
step on that thank you and thank you Kevin the will note the contents of that report will look forward to further actions being completed very soon

12 Electric Vehicle Infrastructure Strategy Update

thank you I'm I'm with a pleasing symmetry Item 12 are the towards the end of the formal agenda and we do have some informal
part of this meeting afterwards with a pleasing symmetry we have electric vehicle Infrastructure Strategy update so back to Evie's Rosanna yet and thank you so this is a them an update on where we are
Roseanna Brett-Davis - 1:32:06
with the EV strategy so we have brought their the principles of this to Committee for but just a bit of background behind this government published their electric vehicle images of strategy in 20 22 which set out the government's approach to delivering totting but instructed 20 30 and that the focus here is about removing barriers and accelerating pace particularly around addressing market failures so this strategy highlights the critical role of local government and particular local transport authority such as the Combined Authority and is looking at a even a consultation about making such an stretches as the electric vehicle infrastructure a statutory in the future so that's the kind of context behind this so in the West Yorkshire climate environment plan there is set out commitment to accelerate the deployment of electric charging points and with a focus on equity provision so that is a starting point and the idea behind this strategy it will become one of the at dot documents in the Local Transport Plan so you're sit underneath and be developed as part of that that piece
the strategy itself has been long work-in-progress developed in collaboration with district partners F across West Yorkshire and the the idea is that it's supposed to be evidence led and particularly let them led by experts and data sources so we worked with University of Leeds among others as well as Northern Powergrid and other actors in this space at the document provides investment principles and design guidance for charge provision to sure that what we are delivering meet that it meets the needs of those who live in live in and working with Yorkshire and again the focus here is on Act equity of provision were particularly looking at filling market failures so am in terms of the overview of the strategy itself the the goal of the strategy is to develop a network of charge points which are reliable safe and easy to use and accelerate provision
and overcome the barriers to uptake of electric vehicle infrastructure
I won't go into the stats pieces Peter so calmly over that previously so it the document itself sets out the investment priorities that we're looking to kind of cover here and the two are in line with the national strategy the two key areas were looking to fill the gap is about them residential charging for those at an actress' can I just
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:34:29
ask you to because they're from Ormond because officers have reminded me that the detail in the appendix 1 is in fact an exempt item on a so in terms of not going into the detail there and if members wished to discuss that are then will have to go into private session in relation to that stuff correctors don't so Rosanna field feel free to give an overview without talking about the annex if people have been
Roseanna Brett-Davis - 1:34:55
questioned about the annex we can then for items you say and we can cover that so just in case you about to advance we have given the nod
Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:35:02
savers off into the live stream so to for you said to be from the strategy just wanted to have mentioned that, no, that's absolutely fine, I'm only covering what's in the paper yet and look forward to it
Roseanna Brett-Davis - 1:35:11
in the appendix that's fine, so the the strategy sets out investment
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:35:14
principles which can be found in the paper.
Roseanna Brett-Davis - 1:35:19
Yeah and so the plan with it, so that the strategy itself, as the exempt appendix has been just covered, so the idea is, we're looking to and a consultation on this strategy between July and September, which is luckily just after the general election, so shouldn't be impacted too too heavily the Amber. The idea is to consult on the strategy itself as well as the local electric vehicle infrastructure programme, and the idea is to consult on these together so you can see the journey between the kind of strategy and principal approach and how we can deliver this in practice.
we will consult on the broad aims of the strategy as well as the views of what the the local electric vehicle infrastructure programme is trying to deliver, I just pick the we have covered this in the past, but just an update on what that programme is that this is some government funding that was given to West Yorkshire to provide electric charging infrastructure to them support those who don't have access to off street parking in West Yorkshire so that's what that's for, so I'll stop there without going into the exempt appendix but you are happy to take questions.
Thank you for your resolution and sorry sorry to interrupt you in full flow though Mike my fault entirely.
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:36:31
Clearly, as a result of services, an 8 week public consultation stakeholder consultation exercise in July, after up to the election on the draft strategy.
and our members are, of course invited to engage, engage with that any particular questions on the public, the covering report, first of all
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 1:37:02
yeah couple of things that, how are we going to tie this with renewable energy?
so that was one example I mentioned because there seems to be a mismatch with we can put loads and loads of infrastructure in, but if we don't think about the the renewable energy side of it and the load on the grid.
Then there is a mismatch there and we are losing an opportunity, I think and I didn't see anything within within it, that sort of covers at all, and my other question is why is this so private because I read through the whole thing and there's nothing that's new there really in terms of what's been said unless I've missed something but it doesn't feel like there's anything there that would really make me think this should be a confidential document just a thoughtful,
Thank you Gideon, I'm going to come back to this before being
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:37:52
children.
Them, it is a good question, I think we were thinking, it's it still
Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:38:04
to have your kind of comments through it, I think, and can I have, as I might correct me, if I'm wrong on this, but certainly it could have an influence
we were thinking there was the certain degrees of China, where it can have influence and just wanted to kill off line up, so it's not in the public domain in draft, but we can't go with the version which has kind of comments in because of what it's saying about where we're trying to kind of focus, our investment, Basel good challenge and happy to have another look at that for future, certainly food for
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:38:39
thought, and it is always difficult to be honest, particularly where there may be commercial contracts to be negotiated or memorandums of understanding, and you wouldn't necessarily always want if you procuring something to to put everything you are thinking about into the public domain, but it is, it is difficult, a slight freedom of information, request sense of what is in the public interest to know and so on, but I think officers will take that away and give it give it further thought in terms of what we have. That's exempt of good taste Jim to come in now, yeah, thank you. I'm gonna start with the
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 1:39:13
comments that were made a good start, once when we give you this question before redundant years ago, to if that's OK, but my comment was I think it's a good piece of work and it also the right questions.
as you recognise with one eye, we've already been dealing with yourselves and contribute to that. So long may that continue, because that's a really important part of that sort of consultation with ourselves. If you like us, as we look at the grading and things we are coming to give you support, I think one of the areas given where it might be able to help is where I think this is recognised both in this work and work. We've seen from others doing similar work is in particularly rural areas of the grid, which might need more sprinkling. It might be actually the most cost effective way to strengthen the grade might be to twine the new electrical demand on the system, the electrical load with say, a storage or regeneration solution known to help with that, and I and I know this, is some sort of occuring there, as I might have said the same thing, but just from a grid perspective that's how we see and I guess the more we have the the upfront.
conversations with the Combined Authority and the and then the different districts, I think we can talk about those kind of things and share experiences from other people as well.
It needs looking at the front surgeons, thank you.
thank you, and you will be taking part in the week public consultation
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:40:36
exercise.
Thank you.
Singh O'Neill's zaha, any thing to come back on nothing, Jim mostly covered it.
and, of course, as well as the infrastructure, we need to think about generation of electricity in West Yorkshire, but that's maybe for another agenda,
members happy then to note the forthcoming consultation exercise in relation to this and thank you Rosanna.

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13 Date of Next Meeting

Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:41:06
Cllr Jane Scullion (Calderdale Council) - 1:41:14
that leaves me then, for simply the date of the next meeting, which is on Tuesday, the 30th of July 2024, when we will be passed the next election and into the new Parliament, the new Parliament will be sitting.
so as but that's dependent on the approval of the calendar of meetings that's coming up other combined authorities and your meeting on the 20th of June very shortly, so thank you for your engagement and on participation is really nice to be back after five months away you've been very kind and I think we've now got a phone private session Liz if you want to say something about that the livestream is being switched off. Thank you.