Climate, Energy and Environment Committee - Tuesday 13 February 2024, 2:00pm - Speakers Tab - Start video at 0:57:45 - West Yorkshire Combined Authority Webcasting

Climate, Energy and Environment Committee
Tuesday, 13th February 2024 at 2:00pm 

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  2. Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council)
  3. Cllr Jenny Kent
  4. Jenny Cooke, Advisory Representative (Environment Agency)
  5. David Owumi (Private Sector Representative)
  6. Ian Holmes, Advisory Representative (NHS West Yorkshire Integrated Care Board)
  7. Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
  8. Ariba Rashid, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
  9. Louise Allen, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
  10. Kate Thompson
  11. Mr Jason WIllis (Northern Gas Networks)
  12. Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative)
  13. Cllr Sarah Ferribly (Bradford Council)
  14. Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council)
  15. Joanna Oloan, Energy Savings Trust
  16. Noel Collings, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
  17. Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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  8. Cllr Sarah Ferribly (Bradford Council)
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  10. Ian Holmes, Advisory Representative (NHS West Yorkshire Integrated Care Board)
  11. Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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  16. Cllr Jenny Kent
  17. Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership)
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  19. Ian Holmes, Advisory Representative (NHS West Yorkshire Integrated Care Board)
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  22. Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council)
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  25. Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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  27. Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council)
  28. Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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  30. Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council)
  31. Cllr Sarah Ferribly (Bradford Council)
  32. Ian Holmes, Advisory Representative (NHS West Yorkshire Integrated Care Board)
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  34. Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative)
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  36. Ian Holmes, Advisory Representative (NHS West Yorkshire Integrated Care Board)
  37. Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
  38. Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative)
  39. Scott Patient, Chair
  40. Jane Atkinson, Deputy Chair
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  42. Ian Holmes, Advisory Representative (NHS West Yorkshire Integrated Care Board)
  43. Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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  6. Jane Atkinson, Deputy Chair
  7. Joanna Oloan, Energy Savings Trust
  8. Scott Patient, Chair
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  12. Joanna Oloan, Energy Savings Trust
  13. Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council)
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  17. Joanna Oloan, Energy Savings Trust
  18. Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative)
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  22. Gordon Watts (Energy Savings Trust)
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  7. Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership)
  8. Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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  11. Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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  12. Jenny Cooke, Advisory Representative (Environment Agency)
  13. Ian Holmes, Advisory Representative (NHS West Yorkshire Integrated Care Board)
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  16. Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council)
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  20. Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority)
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1 Apologies for Absence

Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:00:01
to the to the climate Environment Committee this afternoon. Thank you for coming along the reason why I'm talking first and we're not, we're not livestreaming, yet is that Councillor Scully and has given her apologies for today, and whilst we are welcoming Jane Atkinson as our new Deputy Chair will do some introductions in a moment, we didn't feel it's quite fair for her to to chair the first meeting of her attendance, so if it was or if he's all right with yourselves, we've asked Councillor Scott patient to chair today's meeting, but if I kind of need agreement from for members to be able to say That's OK, so can I have agreement that Councillor patient chairs the meeting, otherwise I'll be looking for somebody else, so that's a
they said
we go to all in favour, thank you very much, OK, Councillor Scott, thank you very much for taking on the role of the Chair, we will livestream and stop meeting to consolidate support.
the rule book OK.
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:01:02
thank you very much, there's one for him and welcome everyone to is making a calm energy are committed, I'm not Councillor scorn, as you can say, but I am standing in for on this occasion, so we'll just get some of the formality bits of the way first before we do introductions and stuff.
so can I ask if we have any apologies for absence?
apologies for absence, Chair had been received from Greg Dodd, Richard Goodfellow Councillor Jack Hemingway, Councillor Jenny, Ken Councillor James Golton and Lee Stuart.

2 Declaration of Disclosable Pecuniary Interests

OK, thank you very much Miles, and it's agenda item number 2, any declaration of disclosable pecuniary interests, so please can members highlight any declarations of interests.

3 Exempt Information - Possible Exclusion of the Press and Public

4 Minutes of the Meeting held on 24 October 2023

not seeing anything, but, if anything comes up as the agenda progresses, then do feel free to stick your hand up, and let us know that's fine, we'll do ad hoc number 3, exempt information and possible exclusion of the press and public, there are no applicable items during this meeting so going forward number 4 minutes of the meeting held on the 24th of October 2023. I'm not sure if anything needs picking out through that, if, okay there we go Graham
yeah, just a quick one, as a couple of places in it, where the language seems to be a bit loose or missing words, so for instance item 7 at the last bullet point we talk about greenhouse gases were considered as well as carbon I don't think it's meant to be carbon dioxide or something else but are just not quite sure.
if someone else is reading what that actually means and is a couple of others where it says things and as just feels like there is another word needs to be on it, just the clarity of people.
OK, if that's something we can take Oregon own, perhaps in the other one, the other one, in particular pictures on was 8 on the first power, where it just says combined and natural England think it was meant to be Combined Authority.
anything else.
thank you again, the HRA will make sure those changes are made and then, thanks for picking them up, I am not seeing any more and or not, so I'm gonna take them as read and just ask members of the Committee to review any Greek deal on either hands in the situation or just a general and indeed disagrees.
year, unless the disagreements that thank you very much.
moving on number 5 actions from the last meeting.

5 Actions from the Last Meeting

OK, so at the last climate energy environment committee, several key points highlighted for further action number 1 B, and that Members emphasised the importance of engaging youth and proposed various methods to do so effectively. And that's gonna be picked up later in agenda item 16 about the Mayor's climate chat. Hopefully we have an opportunity to pick some of that up, and concerns were also raised about energy efficiency and new constructions and defining fuel poverty or measuring environmental impacts. Hopefully that should be picked up in agenda item 7, and it's an ongoing issue
future meetings now reflect it as something important to the committee.
I'm just gonna work through these quite systematically out that's all right, so do bear with me there's an inquiry into projection and plans for achieving green energy targets, as well as the call for comprehensive strategies to address all greenhouse gases, so this is gonna be picked up as part of agenda item 13 and also at future agenda items on the carbon emission reduction pathways refresh.
which is coming down the line and suggestions made to expand projects to neglected areas, utilising Section 106 funds for biodiversity and ensure sustainability and mass transit through ISO standards and regular updates again that's gonna be picked up as part of agenda item 17 and at future meetings.
I'm wondering who did this one, but issues regarding loan affordability and the installation quality for the better homes hub were discussed, just to say that those issues identified in the minutes that are being taken forward it's a procurement for the loan provider, so hopefully that's helpful.
in regards to EV so strategies for managing electric vehicle charging infrastructure and improving air quality monitoring beyond transportation emissions were also discussed and picked out, and that's going to be picked up as part of agenda item 7 and also tracked our future meetings as something important to the Committee and additionally the viability of projects, particularly carbon capture and storage and the need to address equality concerns in green skills promotion were highlighted as important areas to and that's gonna be picked up at future meetings in agenda item 15.
so yeah, a recommendation being that the Committee looks forward to us tackling goalies, and hopefully you'll feel they've been adequately addressed in the agenda as it progresses, but everyone's OK with that.
okay, moving on OK, so.

6 Chair's Update

this is called the chairs update, I'm not gonna do the big introductions for you, I think you can adequately introduce yourself, we have a new co-chair vice-chair here, I'm not, I'm not sure what they're not sure what it is Deputy Chair, I think that it is a sign OK, thank year, so I guess if you'd like to introduce yourselves to the committee and then we'll go round and say who we all are. Thank you, I won't remember everybody's name so
thanks yeah, my name's Jane Atkinson and chief operating officer of a company called in Finham. So I runs for energy from waste plants and we're currently building two at the moment. Two of them, you've probably will know, are the to Ferrybridge energy from waste plants, and also we're building one at Skelton Grange just outside Leeds. So in principle, really I take, we take the black, your black waste, black bin waste, and we make electricity and some of our assets we actually sell the steam as well to industrial supply, and so thank you and thank you for the welcome and you are very welcome. And it's always good to have women in STEM. Yes, absolutely I'm a chemical engineer by trade sounds amazing and for those that I haven't met, Councillor Scott patient and from Calderdale Council, and I'm the cabinet lead for climate action, active travel and housing and currently planning at the moment, but hopefully not for much longer
OK, I'm gonna, move around the room if that's OK and start with the miles.
I'm not a larrikin Committee Services Officer.
hi everybody am Katie Dyer, councillor for Killingbeck and Seacroft in
Myles Larrington, Governance Services Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:07:48
Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 0:07:50
Leeds, and I chair the climate emergency advisory committee in Leeds.
Cllr Jenny Kent - 0:07:57
hello with real Martin British, he representing the wish or charging partnership, which is a partnership of main social housing providers in the region.
Good afternoon, everyone and Jenny Cook, our work for the Environment Agency, West Yorkshire flood risk manager.
one day we will be prohibited from member and secular economist.
Jenny Cooke, Advisory Representative (Environment Agency) - 0:08:16
David Owumi (Private Sector Representative) - 0:08:24
Ian Holmes, Advisory Representative (NHS West Yorkshire Integrated Care Board) - 0:08:27
hello Peter cover recession, intelligence at the Combined Authority.
afternoon RIBA, a shared project manager on the Hunslet programme.
Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:08:33
Ariba Rashid, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:08:38
I am bulimic again and will thus trimmer in Rotherham's hub without looking at everybody.
Louise Allen, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:08:44
although Kate Thompson head of economic implementation at the Combined Authority.
lough Arizona, Bette Davis policy manager, transport, decarbonisation and the Combined Authority.
however, for this day, so I am happy to mass-transit place and contents that the Combined Authority and here to present the sustainability strategy for mass transit.
Jason Wallace are representing Northern Gas Networks.
Kate Thompson - 0:09:09
hello from Jim Caldwell, head of energy systems, policy at Northern
Mr Jason WIllis (Northern Gas Networks) - 0:09:13
Powergrid, and AM John Clark and I'm a private sector representative from commit.
hi there, my name is Adam Ashman, I worked for Yorkshire Water, he says, and I'm Head of Strategic Planning, nice to me, although I'm getting Richards and one of the private sector representatives, and I have a consultancy sustainability in Coakley's I Andrew Cooper a Coakley's Councillor.
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:09:42
Councillor Sarah fair about from Bradford Council life, the portfolio
Cllr Sarah Ferribly (Bradford Council) - 0:09:45
holder for health people and places.
Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 0:09:52
hi am godmother tenant commander energy saving Trust, and I'm leading the programme of support that we are hoping you with than the performance hub.
I am trying to have an awesome energy saving, Trust and squatting on
Joanna Oloan, Energy Savings Trust - 0:10:04
the same programmes.
as we know, no Cummings, I am policy manager for net-zero and energy here at the West Yorkshire Combined Authority.
Noel Collings, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:10:14
thank the North already mentioned Liz Hunter director of policing environment in place at the Combined Authority, and this is my usual plug to use the speakers because it goes to livestream and make sure
Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:10:25
that it pitches you as you're speaking by sorrowfully using it, so thank you very much for doing that and just to note that we welcome genuine Ian in your absence at the last committee but welcome see you in person thank you.
thank you all and may or may not be pop quotes.
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:10:45
thank you so much, I'm just going to as Liz if you're able to pick out on the Committee skills audit pace, that's OK, yes, thank you very much, so last year the team or you asked for a skills audit you asked
Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:10:57
to tell us and where your skills needs where, as a committee, so thank you to those people who who filled in the Sky skills training audit that we circulated, we had eight responses and there's a number of things that you asked us for.
so there was particularly a number of things around the combined authorities assurance framework that you wanted some more information about how we make decisions, you wanted more engagement with the Committee, as we talked about this before, and making sure that the things that other Committees are seeing you see as well so it's really great to have this for example skills on today's agenda and will continue to make sure that we cross bring cross cutting features to this committee and you also gave us you you asked us around,

7 Monitoring Indicators

training around digital infrastructure, carbon literacy and some of the environmental legislation around the environment. So we are looking, therefore, from what you've said to us to do three things. So we'll arrange some training around the assurance process so that those of you who are less familiar with the decision-making process can have an update on that. The team are looking at options for carbon literacy training and we'll come back to you with what might be possible, recognising that you are busy people. So we'll find something that can be done to in increased knowledge without taking a lot of time, and also we're looking at training on the environmental legislative framework which we might be able to do in house, but again we'll see whether we can find somebody external if we can't do it in-house, so I'll leave that with us and we'll come back with you with those
options for the for training, probably workshops outside of the continuance.
OK perfect that's really helpful home, just just move it on and I'm
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:12:35
not, and I think this was agreed last time, that we thought it might be helpful for members to be able to give us a little bit of a flavour about what's happening in their authorities in terms of climate work or anything adjacent to that wow thank you so much to York and to Wakefield who provide very thorough,
responses to the, because I'm just planning to be giving people 30 seconds to a minute around the room, but also I think this is going to be available for anyone else to have a look at in a very comprehensive, so maybe in future we'll do belt and braces and quick update and if you want to send a full report that the the absolutely very welcome, so I guess it is all right, I'll I'll just move around a local authority, members in, as I've said, just a brief update. If anything, you feel is noteworthy that the committee might want to know about. Shall I move to you first, Councillor Dyke,
hi, yes, that's fine, and I have made a few notes. So if you want anything circulated and are happy to do so, and I've just taken a
Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 0:13:32
snapshot really of some of the things that Leeds is doing, a lot of the things you'll be familiar with and but I just wanted to kind of a homing on some Leeds examples, so the first one I was going to update on is that the progress that we've made so far with the home upgrade grant work in Leeds, so we've been really successful actually in terms of getting people interested and we've got a number of householders that have signed up and are ready to have their homes assessed and we've already booked some installations in for that. So I think that's quite positive, because one of the things we were worried about was whether we will get enough sign up for that and be able to use the whole of the available funding in terms of district heating you you hopefully aware that Leeds has a district heating system called Leeds pipes, and that's going from strength to strength. We've had some applications to to the green heat network fund.
successful in terms of supporting the expansion of that and will also look into rollouts or another.
12 kilometre network that will connect to the pipes and we've had interested in that as well, so that's all but all looking good, we've got some funding secured for improving our EV charging infrastructure and hopefully that will lead to a number of public charges in Leeds significantly increasing over the next couple of years.
you will all be aware of the Community Grants scheme, we had 29 applications to that invasion, 10 of those were successful bids, and the second wave will hopefully pick up on some of the unsuccessful bids and look at how we can turn them into success we've we've done a lot of work with the applicants on that so I think we'll have some some of the same people who who didn't get past the post in the first round.
successfully been allocated funding in the next round and then just another couple of things, the private sector decarbonisation scheme, we were moving onto the next phase of that and we've got 18 more school and corporate buildings.
have an air source heat pumps and PV and hopefully that will all be completed by this spring, and then you should probably all aware of the active travel working in Leeds and the changes around Station Larin and other areas of the city which are making a difference in terms of the way people are able to get round we've got the bike scheme as well which is hopefully going to be more successful as the weather improves.
I think that's everything I had on my list is that the kind of thing you were looking for was fantastic yeah, that's an absolute
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:16:21
whistlestop tour, and I presume that's Armenia Rye, really good, to get a flavour of the things going on not just behind the scenes but also really visual for people coming to eat OK, thank you.
obviously, Councillor Cooper.
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:16:37
so quickly he has got a wide range of projects which is pursuing Huddersfield district energy network, so that's something that councils are being pursued for many years, but hopefully we're going to get there shortly, 1.7 million for the commercialization stage in 2025 and 7.2 million for the construction going through to 2026 so it'll be great if that happens and there's a number of buildings around the Ring Road in Huddersfield including Councillor non-Council buildings which could take at.
to make use of that he.
we've got to eat decarbonisation plans, 100 k funding from the wicker net 0 regional accelerator, some money like yourselves for electrical vehicle infrastructure from the levy funding, as part of the so part of that 16 million plus bidding for more EV infrastructure funding we, like many of us, have also been
applied for the community grants were climate projects, so we will see what comes with that Huddersfield, narrow canal towpath that's and something else you, I'm really care about, because we felt we currently blocked off due to an issue along there, but there's 2.3 million pounds worth of funding that's been amended made available to sort out a towpath and make it a useful space for active travel.
yeah, Paris line railway improvements, that's the line between Huddersfield to Sheffield at low speed one, it takes about 1 1 hour and 20 minutes to get to Sheffield from Huddersfield, which is bizarre. I suggested that they have a of a sort of, but he'd call it suspended animation service on the train for people taking so long to get there, but that is that sort of consuming some useful money there, which will help us get faster trains, because there will be passing points along the line and that will make it easier to have more trains going along there as well, plus other improvements so that that should make a big difference. So Sheffield's no longer call from Huddersfield, roam ecological society as provided Kipnis Castle, with an award for impact first Councillor, the country to do so. So the council is very pleased about that. Plus also
the CDP aid is a CDP a listed city, but Kirklees isn't a city, but it's got one of those awards anyway, so well done to those folks,
Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 0:19:12
natural flood management, we've got a feasibility study going on on that work and also work going on around climate change adaptation through a different funding and something which is getting a lot of community engagement is the woodland creation programmes part of the White Rose Forest work and,
it is one of the things that Kirkley does, is it allows it staff to go out and do volunteer time, so I've been out with loads of Kirkley staff, who've been out and about planting trees and lobby in the ward I represent, so we're really pleased about that so a lot of good work going on in Kirklees.
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:19:48
that's fantastic, so it's a good thing about that work and you need to trademark low-speed one, because I think that's a travel UK sniffing around that as we speak low speed 1, thank you up-to Councillor for
Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 0:20:01
cash, thank you yes in Bradford. Likewise, this energy will know we're
Cllr Sarah Ferribly (Bradford Council) - 0:20:06
installing a district heat network pipes, and then you will know it's based in Bradford it recently will know that there's quite a lot of work taking place, the councils carried out a procurement exercise so we're looking to connect the building such as city of the labyrinth St George's
up to that system as well as
the university and lockouts are also looking into a district heat network.
I'm also told that the paperwork has been led across much of the city centre, it is expected to be operational by 2025 26, so that's good news on that front, because we've been waiting a long time for district heating network, another project is I Bradford and that's a low carbon nitrogen production and refuel facilities on Bowling Back Lane which is a decommissioned gas works site.
and that's the council has been working with a engine that's of non gas network, Adrian buyers, and that's part of the Bamford group.
to develop the skills of hydrogen production facility.
this bi-monthly.
implementation Board meetings to coordinate the scheme and delivery the government announced on the 14th of December that a Bradford programme would receive letters of 0 9 0 hydrocarbon hydrogen funding for delivery of the largest androgen production facility in the UK.
that can produce between 25 and 35 megawatts and the I Bradford is the only production scheme in the UK producing vehicle great greenery, hydrogen for retail, it's it's capable of fuel in up to 750 up to 1,000 lounge and buses a day.
and the scheme will also produce a renewable oxygen that can be used or local in the local health authorities, as you know, we are introduced a clean air zone back in September 2022 and we're already seeing the benefits in a reduction of one or two levels.
since monitoring began the 36 stations around the District that monitoring one or two levels.
and we're looking to reduce transport emissions by 150,000 tonnes as a minimum, so that's very positive Barney and Bradford are undertaking a clean air zone health impact assessment, and that's the informations are currently been verified, but we're already seeing that a small birth weight in babies, cardiovascular disease, asthma admissions etc are around reducing,
and also we're working, looking at BT, the boxes at the roadside, looking to use those as chargeable vehicle charging points for electric vehicles, so that's in the early stages and that's a pilot programme.
I mean, that's a jaw drop moment, the the the healthier they'll sort
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:23:35
of put stuff that you've just mentioned, I think we really need to dwell on that for a moment because I think we all know that born in Bradford a sort of internationally recognised sort of health health review organisation that you really lucky to have in Bradford so that's that's that's really cheering say those initial outputs and it would be great to see their regular monitoring of that.
what brave move have you to make, I imagine it wasn't very easy, but more power to your arm.
so just I'll just very briefly be very brief in terms of some of the work that is happening in Calderdale and just come this morning from planting sphagnum moss in in upon Ogden, more just above we Yorkshire Water's asset which is soaked in water, I think we're the first in the UK that's not got private equity behind us that successfully managed to work out how to plug one one and utilise vacuum must to do large scale peatland and more than restoration so we're gonna be keenly monitoring that.
I know we've had another four or five local authorities and private and public set to look at the work that's being done so
with volunteers this morning in Treacy, which was which was really really good, just be successful in getting some money, and this is an association with Kirkley is actually this called a cold landscape, recovery money to do natural flood management work in and around our water tributaries thinking about removing waste and stuff like that so we can allow fish and biodiversity movement forest creation or that sort of stuff, so that's going through at the moment, which is should hopefully be really interesting, briefly touch and innovate, UK and some money that we're lucky enough to.
I managed to bring into the Borough specifically around the idea around retrofit in stone pre 1919 stone homes and with that money would hope to do the first Citizens' Assembly in the UK specifically on retrofit that's hopefully going to happen later this year and we've got an officer in place to help us with that just briefly around the climate action partnership which isn't a function of the Council but the Council is a key partner in that recently passed its own full plan for the next three years.
they've got a number of different theme groups that works around their just, not a dwell briefly well, until current NFM on the London lecture aspect, that's kind of been picked up by our ecological emergency officer and he's created a new partnership cowhide wider cull wild at Calderdale. They're already doing a little bit of work around prioritising the work that they do in terms of his nature. Restoration in terms of natural flood management in terms of habitat mitigation and and and and stewardship, so saying that work forward and hopefully will happen. Ecological emergency action plan that can work in tandem with the climate work, so that's kind of wants to watch. I'll I'll I'll I'll pause there, though, because I appreciate we've spent a little bit of time on it and nothing from its so-called day about the work enough authorities, but really good to hear from everyone what's happening
OK
so the next item is Seb is number 7 in its monitoring indicators, and I believe Peter Glover is going to be presenting this so over to you pizza, thank you Chair, so as part of agreed monitoring arrangements, the Committee
Ian Holmes, Advisory Representative (NHS West Yorkshire Integrated Care Board) - 0:27:01
receives regular reports against a set of indicators that are relevant to its remit within the current paper does offer a threefold purpose. So first of all to update on the latest available data relating to the indicators, second of all, to respond to the comments raised by the Committee at the last meeting and then, thirdly, just to highlight
Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:27:25
some data quality issues with HRA in respect of energy performance certificate data. So first of all, looking at the update on the latest available data, because we only report by exception. I you them look at at new data. There's only one indicator that we're updating against this time and that is in respect of electric vehicle charging infrastructure, and you can see from you can see the the key findings within the paper and the appendix
Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:27:55
basically we're seeing rapid growth, albeit from a low base in charging infrastructure. Although the prevalent prevalence of charging infrastructure in West Yorkshire is lower than the national average. At turning now to comments raised at the last meeting and there are a number of those, first of all there were queries regarding the access to green space indicator. We we set out in the paper an explanation of what those anomaly anomalies are and really they arise from the specific nature of the indicator that we use, which we've adopted from the work of natural England, and what I would say about that is that we're reviewing state the regional indicators in the next few months we've had representations from Kirkley, for example, saying that they would prefer a different indicates a different measure of access to green space, because the fear of the current one is quite difficult to influence through practical action through direct action. So we're taking that on board and we will bring back proposals for for any changes to the indicators at a future meeting. The Committee also expressed an interest in measuring electric vehicle miles at the last meeting, and as set out in the paper that we're looking into the possibility of using MLT data to look at that submitted multi decorate relating to vehicle mileage and fuel type. That's a possibility there and then also we were asked about monitoring of air quality and there's quite an extensive range of activity happening around that which he set out in the paper then. Finally, the third element was just around energy performance certificates and the data quality issues that were identified with develop data.
and the fact that we've revised our monitoring approach to take account of those issues and are now using our own cleaned data to do that in combination with U&S data, so that's everything from me about teacher.
thank you so much for that, hopefully addressed a lot of things from
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:29:58
the previous meeting through the and a couple of colleagues mentioned, the LA LA Levy funding that were open to access, hopefully that will start stateless on our journey, about getting a little bit better in terms of that roll-out, but rather than me waffle on, is there anyone, any members or anyone gidea, I'll start with you,
yeah, thank you for that and thanks for the update on it.
and in terms of the the challenging, I wonder if we could have another look at data and it says for Kirkley that this height rapid charges, or above what I know of at least 9 characterless bonds, and there are others in the area as well, I'm sure we're missing some of them and I'm just wondering if there's something we can do looking at in a slightly different way as well.
maybe maybe we could use the Zermatt data of some one night at, because that's always up to date, so I think I think the figures were presenting.
are actually the number of charging devices per 100,000 population are right, sorry, it's not just the, if not the total volume of charging advice, sorry, so we do have the figures been actually in the chart, but we can we can share the the absolute figures as well.
Ian Holmes, Advisory Representative (NHS West Yorkshire Integrated Care Board) - 0:31:14
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:31:20
yeah, that'd be helpful if pop, if at all possible Martin, I think I
Cllr Jenny Kent - 0:31:26
saw you I met, thank you, it was made, it kicked off the discussion about ipc's last time and I'm afraid I want to revisit it because, as was noted in the minute, obviously thank you for going into all that research and fascinating what in fact had
Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership) - 0:31:38
as recorded in the minutes last time, the discussion was era, the other data was presented in relation to LPCs for new-build homes.
but maybe I'm reading more into this in the race, but this tie in the appendix this time it's wry, it's presented as new ipc's now new IPC's could relate to existing homes, which would explain why less than 90% are about s or IPCC or above.
I remain incredulous that we are, if, if, if it really is, this data
Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership) - 0:32:19
is really related to new-build homes that one in 10 new homes we're building is below ipcc, so I I just want to clarify is the data about newly registered LPCs which can apply to all housing stock, or is it specifically in relation to new-build, because I think it has an important difference and would help understanding? Sorry, it's in
Ian Holmes, Advisory Representative (NHS West Yorkshire Integrated Care Board) - 0:32:42
relation to new to new dwellings, definitely in relation to the that's what Bolivia
I remained unfounded.
Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership) - 0:32:48
OK for food for thought, there are.
Councillor Cooper
year.
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:32:55
I am similarly dumbfounded.
Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 0:33:00
one questioner I did ask.
the Mayor, actually it was about what the standard was very PCs for new build.
for a sustainable homes, the 5,000 homes and I've got a message back from an officer.
who said that the standards that they operate to for a sustainable West Yorkshire home Josh James?
was APCC
which that that that, but also made me rather than founded, because if that's yeah, practically every home, I would imagine should at the very least, create an E VC of C, so I'd have thought the things that we build ourselves to a supposedly highest standard should be better than C but apparently not.
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:33:54
I would have thought round that's what things we find ourselves, yeah Peter anything to say on that.
Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 0:34:01
well, Ian on, I've not been I've not.
Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:34:07
not been involved in those discussions, but I back Andrew has confirmed that we are looking at new dwellings within the data, but that was my understanding.
list.
it's just that.
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:34:20
Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 0:34:24
and throughout the main programme that we have is brownfield housing fund that we have from government and I wonder if it is worth is bringing back to the committee next time an update of of what we've
Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:34:37
managed to achieve through that we haven't them because of the way we work with the private sector and the conditions of the fund.
we have so much leverage, but we have worked with some developers to do some, quite hopefully interesting things around some of the buildings that are that work that we often do, albeit a small part of our funding, goes towards them, so I wonder whether we should bring back something which just explains a little bit about what we are doing in terms of the housing peace flow that would be something the
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:35:05
Committee indicated there'd be very interested in Councillor fairly.
Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 0:35:10
Cllr Sarah Ferribly (Bradford Council) - 0:35:13
yeah, I am just wondering if that is the information about all new, builds a private development, or is the information solely around, or any council or local authority bills, because my understanding is that this, a government standard of which housing is to be built and I thought it would I even say I could be wrong.
so it is all buildings with an EPI C, so that would be the full gamut I understand.
Ian Holmes, Advisory Representative (NHS West Yorkshire Integrated Care Board) - 0:35:42
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:35:49
OK, I'm not seeing anyone else indicating on there, but it sounds like Les now I am give you sorry, I'd just wondered if we could deny maybe isn't the right time, but a slightly broader sense in terms of the the
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:36:03
monitoring and the indicators. We don't seem to have K P eyes in there and we don't have timescales in there and it might be useful to see how they link to what we're trying to achieve and what outcomes to actually deliver as well, and I'm just wondering if there's something we could look at in terms of that there was something else convention a bit later on, as well as with
yeah, we have these indicators, but does that mean we're doing well, not where we are actually targeting to be, I would talk about 2030 2038, but there's nothing, let's say, where we need to step down to on these on the way through.
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:36:45
part of me feels that the opportunity for some benchmarking and KPI is along the way would be would be helpful if that feels like something that's doable pizza.
first of all, I mean the main benchmark we do is for the is for the
Ian Holmes, Advisory Representative (NHS West Yorkshire Integrated Care Board) - 0:36:56
emissions that sort of headline emissions indicator.
and of course, we benchmark against the national average, for example,
Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:37:04
but there is a potential to develop targets. If, if that's what you have in mind for set timescale, I suppose if it could just follow on from that, what I'm trying to get at is how much benefit, are we
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:37:16
getting from each of the different areas we're looking at, and what's that contribution? You contributing to the overall reductions because we might find that actually we want to focus on some areas in more detail because we're not actually delivering what we thought we were going to in the first place.
it's an interesting comment, exactly summing up as well on the West
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:37:41
Yorkshire Low emissions per capita, I made a comment about what's different about Bradford and now hearing what you were saying about the clean air zone now wonder if that's why 3.9 is your emission
Jane Atkinson, Deputy Chair - 0:37:52
petrol emission intensity so I think it's a good watch what should we be aiming at what does good look like and how do we get on when we know what's Bradford and differently to get there?
so I think it's good comment.
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:38:12
okay, but thank you everyone for your contributions looks like an answer, sorry, visa, now I was just going to flag the carbon emissions
Ian Holmes, Advisory Representative (NHS West Yorkshire Integrated Care Board) - 0:38:17
Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:38:20
reduction pathway. Study is probably the authority to force on the different the contribution from different parts of the economy to lead to the achievement of the
the overall emissions target.
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:38:39
yeah, I'm just just concerned about that night when we were developing now.
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:38:44
and when it was being developed, should I say and we were looking at it, there were a number of concerns in the way that data was developed and I'm not convinced like hopefully with the with a review of it, we'll see how that looks but I'm not convinced that Isis authoritative as we think it says at the moment and I did make comments at the time so.
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:39:09
doing a double glance around, and I think that feels like wait for it with when we finish at that item, but we've got some actions and reporting back that we think that we can take on board thanks all for your contributions on that one.
moving on to
I don't know whether I need to do the formal note, the record, the headline analysis of indicators, but I have looked there just for the sake of it.

8 Better Homes Hub - One Stop Shop

moving on to a which is the better homes hub one-stop shop which is a really important?
report that I think, Noel you're gonna, be presenting for us, thank you very much Chair, so there should be a bit of a dual effort between
Noel Collings, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:39:46
myself and Joanne Issa and just as a kind of introduction to this, because you've all seen the purpose I'm not intending to kind of go through that, but this is really about giving you a little bit of an update on the options assessment work that have been going on to to look at the One Stop Shop.
such just make sure people have in their minds as we're kind of going through to annesley Joanne is leading you through, is just to make sure that.
as we reflect on what what is being said, how that relates to the current provision of retrofit advice within each of the districts.
but also and to provide your views as,
based on what you hear in terms of the way forward for the region and the One Stop Shop, so I will. I will hand over to a shared. Thank you know them, yeah, so that a lot of the detail isn't that, but since we
Joanna Oloan, Energy Savings Trust - 0:40:33
will publish that report, we have now completed our options assessment report and submitted. So I just wanted to do something. That's somebody here and then leave open to questions and potential concerns that you might have about such a service. Just as the way of a very, very brief summary to summarise what that report has shown, veterans have vision is that everyone in Yorkshire left in a warm low-carbon home that they can afford to to keep away, and I quote that that the statistics that's always quoted as the 80% of housing stock that will happen 2050, which is the UK Government's next annual target, is already built. So there's a huge focus on retrofit not that any belts, not important, that retrofit is kind of a sizeable, an issue that will really tackle market to deal with that current housing stock, and the reason that we're not achieving that Bedhampton provision right now is the quality of that latter housing stock. The access to some of this new domestic retrofit has a number of barriers
the first time people are proposing no schemes to temporary retrofit. A one-stop shop is a service that's being supported by a number of European governments and countries in both the regional and national level in order to help manage some of these barriers. With just about your staff to cover domestic retrofit and we've been commissioned to have a look at the potential options for different one-stop shops. There's not a blueprint service that we can unfortunately copy and paste in and pop into into the West, Yorkshire Bats, but we can't do is learn from all these other services and there was report by the EU horizon project them could innovate, and in the report they studied the 60 or so m one-stop-shops that were active, looking at their success and their failures, and what we can learn from for each of these and how these updates them and they kind of feed these into different models. One facilitation muddle on the coordination model. One, the inclusive muddle and one is at years see what muddle now we've excluded the model, that's very much for big flattering visions, big building where you can guarantee savings at the end of that, given the nature of individual private domestic sectors, knowing how everyone's energy behaviour is quite different, we think that's just far too risky and option 2 to model your exposures after huge financial risk and probably not that much value to the householders at the end of it, but offering an all inclusive service would offer great value to a number of of citizens across West Yorkshire that all inclusive model would help that person go from an enquiry about retrofit all the way through to installation and a quality service, and
and aftercare services supports and after that's happened, but there's also recognition that not everybody is going to want to fall through with no inclusive service. Some people just want advice and popped in the right direction. They want to do their own research, they want to work out what's best for them, but we don't support excluding those people from accessing somewhere to get that access and advice in a partial voice in the kind of decision around retrofitting at home and choosing something like an expensive heat, pamper insulation requires a lot of thinking and you do want that trusted voice to talk you through that. Who isn't there to sell youth product at the end of the day, which does remove some of the trust when heeding the advice from other bodies like supply chain actors. So our proposal is very much the
that has established a one-stop shop has established it's built on over years. We don't think going out straightaway is its best thing to do, particularly with the need to ramp up skills in sector in the area and make sure that we've got the workers to do the job. That's going to be a manual for there's a lot to install at a lot of of retrofit that needs done, but we want to start that. There's no better, really them, and you'll face that happen within five years, having a fully fledged one-stop shop that's able to offer the facilitation model to people in the right direction, the non-coercive model for those who want to need it in that service
opened the fourth any questions, really.
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:44:01
thank you so much Joanna and I'm not sure, if Gordon nor anyone else wants to answer that no, I'm just gonna, shake your head,
but of O2 panel.
really interesting work and I'm seeing Councillor Cooper.
so what this is happening and that I seem to remember of quite a few
Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 0:44:17
meetings back, we were suggesting that the interstate interest and what was going on in Scotland might be a model that we could follow, and so it's good to see that that sort would follow through a thing so I'm I'm pleased by them.
it was interested to see the stuff about Ireland interesting stuff about friends, I think we should do more looking at what's going into other areas and trying to modelling and see what we can do along those lines, Scotland I think it's a little bit ahead of England in him in lots of areas, dare I say probably due to the excellent so I'm not going to start talking about the green policy don't worry.
but so there's there's some good stuff to look up there, I mean I think I think he is doing a bit of a gap, analysis might be a good idea to actually look at, was offered in some places and were where what what makes a difference so we can actually look, it seems to see if we can emulate.
I think some best practice in the are going on in other places, I think that's important, I think it should be a standing item on our agenda, not not every meeting perhaps, but but this is gonna develop over years, hopefully as we develop office that can go out to people and people could engage with it and and at some point we probably do not want to see how,
how people who engage with the Hub are satisfied by what they get in terms of a service, because you can imagine somebody ringing now and going Well, I got in touch, but they gave me scheme some general advice about things I could do, but there was nothing there really that I could engage with in terms of finance or in terms of installers in in a big way and so I think having an idea about,
about what the customer experiences and seeing that develop over time, I think it would be a lot of value in them.
actually I'm not sure there's a separate question for me to the town center, but maybe to stay and because of the point it's great to hear your enthusiasm for this approach. I think you know it's great, it's only going to work with the successful kind of buy-in from everybody. So expect to hear that you have the supportive words and
Cllr Sarah Ferribly (Bradford Council) - 0:46:20
encouragement, and I think monitoring and evaluation is a big part of what we've said here in that you are not there. It is a huge amount of stock to retrofit there's a huge number of different people in that
Jane Atkinson, Deputy Chair - 0:46:30
we're all expecting different things from the service. Are we meeting
Joanna Oloan, Energy Savings Trust - 0:46:33
their needs? Are we doing that in the most efficient way? Thinking purely from a process point of view, but also from that householders sitting there is my house better now because of the work of the one-stop-shop it and how we monitor that aims. I think that's a really crucial point. The monitoring evaluation strategy, baked into how we do that and not be afraid to go back to it and adjust to if, if we think it's not capturing the detail, we need to be able to make these crucial decisions and I think particularly what might be challenging them around. The monitoring and evaluation strategy is the work that is going on elsewhere. The one-stop shop I hope, will be a really valuable asset to to everyone in West Yorkshire, but it's not gonna be the only thing delivering retrofit change in the area. There is going to be a lot of local advice, demonstrator projects and smaller projects, Nest, amenity groups supporting or a group of people here. How do you monitor what One-Stop-Shop is doing without necessarily thinking around the valuables, all this extra work? So it's a challenge for sure, but I think that's something that's really important to get right and make sure that we're going to make testing that
aim over time, so I I think that's really important and one, and not just because you're in the room, but really because we've got so much
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:47:35
worth doing that Clive size and put I, I think there's a, I think there's a big space for local authorities to help you do some of that benchmarking and gap analysis so where you are delivering stuff and stuff's happening on a quite granular level how those relationships work and look like,
no Councillor scooping up maggots regards if I go making sweeping changes, but I do think there is a room for tablet, regular reporting, I'm not suggesting every time, but you are so high yearly sort of monitoring about how it's progressing sounds like a positive idea.
I'm sorry, I'm just perhaps enough Councillor Cooper's comments re me,
Jane Atkinson, Deputy Chair - 0:48:13
I struggled with the three examples to compare and contrast, because I couldn't work out how many had prompts capacity that you know. Scotland have installed more islands installed moths. I couldn't work out what the best solution was, but I I love the idea of a one-stop
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:48:25
shop. But for me the really important things. While this lifecycle analysis, I mean you read the savings on the e-mail on the IPC, banding and the brilliant, but the costs of installing a heat pump versus the cost of installing solar is very different. So will you provide that lifecycle as well as at pathway yeah so I think
Jane Atkinson, Deputy Chair - 0:48:45
one of the important things stop barrier to retrofit is not just
Joanna Oloan, Energy Savings Trust - 0:48:50
impartial advice, but better tailored specific to your motivations, your needs, your budgets, your personal circumstances and one challenge as well, as is how well do we maintain that relationship with that householder throughout their life, because we while we would love retrofit to be on big one, go away and you go on holiday for two weeks, you come back with your household redone reality, as that is not how home improvements work. Rightly, you get new heating system, there has been a distress purchase because the the boiler has gone kaput and you need to do something now or you need new windows because you think I'll make your house no more valuable. There's lots of reasons for doing retrofit, and there's one-stop-shop needs to be able to offer that service, no matter how that person's interacting with it. So the ambition for the one-stop shop should be very holistic. It should be from somebody just thinking. I can't afford my next energy bill next month. Yeah, what support is that I just need for? I'm in crisis any financial assistance. What who's out there to support me and it might be the combined authority or it might be hang on there, someone there's something happening in your local authority, that's better supported chatted to yard, or there's something here to put you in the right direction, all the way through to somebody grand designs. I would completely be do my my whole house and strip all back and do all of this. There should be support for no matter who you are in that that journey suits. It's very much no, it's for all citizens in West Yorkshire should be really debt.
and and it's really cheering that we're talking about climate and social justice as well as just net 0 like while we're wherever we are having this discussion.
I think, Andrew, I think Councillor Cooper went first and then give you so I I think we need a universal offer at some point and we can't come soon enough, but we were on the back of house values but 222 point I think we've got to have something there, which is about early adopters, people who don't go, what's my payback period on this? No, no no, I want all the stuff you know, I wanna have the super insulated house, I want to have passive house in my old Victorian house, I want to achieve all those things and I want to have all the gizmos everything
and and and we need to, we need to, if you like, get to be nice to those early adopters and make sure there is really up to the doctors enable other people to come through the door as well, so.
Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 0:51:00
yeah cost benefit. I think for some people that's not going to be top of their list and we we've got to embrace that to allow others to come through the door, so I agree, I think my question really was more
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:51:09
about you know if, if all of us at different times with the energy savings shows what we all get the advice, we want, whether it's
Jane Atkinson, Deputy Chair - 0:51:14
payback, whether it's early adopters or not, that was really my point. I suppose that
yeah, but I understand we do need early adopters.
career.
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:51:29
thanks to this, I'm not sure I've seen the published report, sorry, I
Joanna Oloan, Energy Savings Trust - 0:51:32
don't know if that's available to us that would be helpful to see to see that.
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:51:38
a few thoughts for you one.
timeframes here if we're talking about five years before we get them running, that's already one year before 2030 yeah and we're not we're rapidly heading towards 2038 at the moment, so we need to think about again back to the KPI is back to this in assessing how are we going with it, it's really good to see that you're thinking about skills and appropriate es t before in a number of different past lives.
and one of the things we're thinking about in with groundwork Yorkshire at the moment for community buildings, is whether we could do a mentoring scheme, I'm just wondering if there's something in terms of skills, where we could actually do a twos two-stage thing so could get fast hits on very more general stuff and then more detailed going forward to help speed that process up.
so it was just a thought for them to just address the report thing and it's going through a feedback phase of months. I don't quite know,
Joanna Oloan, Energy Savings Trust - 0:52:48
we're not equivalised for everybody, but it is close, I would say, by a guesstimate, with the disagree a bit yeah premature for for that, but yet please do expect them somewhat soon, aim to address the second part around partnership. I suppose this is what you're saying. That is how to be engaged, that sector there. I mean it's a huge part of the report of when you see it, you, your them see the number of pitches that it takes up is that partnership working
we realised that the one-stop shop cannot on its own achieved the retrofit aims and it's going to need. As you know, these services can compliment each other rather than compete and I think, sharing best practice, shading the information that is going on there, realising that not everybody not when they want to put on solar panels thinks to call one-stop shop the MOT, despite the best marketing efforts might do it because our neighbour has done it and how did you do it? That was the installing of minutes, I'm gonna call him and and get that installed to make sure that that best practice is shared amongst the pitching actors amongst community groups, amongst other local authorities and anyone working in this area and thinking of the One-Stop-Shop as that hub for that, so people can get referred or signposted in
formal or less formal ways mechanisms, but just to support all that and I think partnership this is really an important part of the structure, just just one quick one in terms of the Oscar Moore
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 0:54:02
Councillor Cooper set as well, if you look at what happened in the EV heat pump,
S and an electrical sector with the renewables there has been a very fast uptake and there has been a very fast decarbonisation and and energy efficiency of those buildings because of the technologies they want to, it might well be worth looking at that as something that we can spring up as well.
Joanna Oloan, Energy Savings Trust - 0:54:31
could I can. I just make a comment on following up on your her
Gordon Watts (Energy Savings Trust) - 0:54:37
comments about the bit for five years to be having a one-stop-shop functioning. What I would say is the intention isn't to actually nothing happens for five years. This is a year you start your scaling up to a fully functioning one-stop shop by year 5 and there's there's a there's two parts of this as one is creating the demand from the households. The other part is the ability of the supply chain to cope with that demand, so there's a danger if you go out too early with, although whistles and bells that you overheat the market too quickly and you end up disappointed households, so you watch, and then you actually reputation becomes poorer, people walk away so often, although with that they've promised all this great stuff and it's not happening so it's
it's a ramp, I guess what I'm saying.
Joanna Oloan, Energy Savings Trust - 0:55:25
thank you, you can see Martin Besart, it seems that I ever ever to go.
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:55:30
Joanna Oloan, Energy Savings Trust - 0:55:35
the three examples that you've cited Ireland, France and Scotland, so obviously Ireland and France are complete different nations, Scotland got devolved policymaking in this area, what are we lacking in England in a policy framework that helps that would help us to get to where they got to and scale up to their levels that we don't currently have?
Joanna Oloan, Energy Savings Trust - 0:55:57
the big question them and a national policy them and national policy that supports advice in it, but that's not the patent in English the bit in England they do have it in Scottish devolved government and they do they have a policy to to support households retrofit them and a lot that's funded through their service supplementary Scotland but it's the international cohesive framework.
M Ireland is well backed by national government, supporting the veteran for targets to retrofit a number of of housing stock to get there and supported that with advice and France. Similarly, it should be noted that France does operate a bit differently and that it started Venus penalty, so it started on the regional level. Then got brought up, so that's maybe something to challenge here is that what is the power that we could do something regional to show the replication that this would be so much more powerful if it had the backing of national governments at the moment, there's not a cohesive
policy framework that's available for for England, and even Wales's is doing more in the city than in England is because of some of the hub hours.
sounds like we've got a manifesto for preparing for.
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:56:58
okay, well, thank you, everyone in and thank you, colleagues, were anxious to interest us re really helpful, and I think we've got a lot out there in some thoughts for the future, an outturn management benchmark, so hopefully welcome you back in future meetings.
OK, thank you all, moving on to 0 number 9, which is the better homes hub area based schemes, what I'm really looking forward to, and please do correct me if I say your name wrong, Arriba Arriba.

9 Better Homes Hub – Area Based Schemes

okay, right yeah, that's fine, obviously, over to you then to thank
Ariba Rashid, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:57:38
you, thank you. So the purpose of the of our report was to provide the Committee with an update on the Leeds area based scheme, which is part of the better homes hub programme. Leeds have an ambitious, innovative retrofit scheme and will be delivered in an area of high deprivation which will involve insulating empty carbon. Isn't up to 100 back-to-back Victorian terraced properties in Armley Leeds, investigating the challenges in decarbonising this property type which have traditionally been expensive and difficult to improve due to there being little space for measures to be installed and bringing together and blending different government funding sources and into one delivery package, which will reduce the overall cost to the residents and the combined authority and provide learnings on how to
Bella Mkrtchyan, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:58:21
manage different pots of funding to help inform how the future retrofit schemes can be
enhanced, seeking a say in seeking a solution to providing low carbon heating in the area by introducing a shared network ground source heat pump to terraced properties which will achieve any one at 0 retrofit standard, so that's a very short overview we are assuming that Members have had the chance to read the paper and given the type agenda and timescales we would welcome any feedback and questions and ones obvious. Thank you, thank you Paula
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:58:55
open and opening it up to gritter members, if anyone's got anything burning lots of cover.
sorry, I've got, I've just got the question, you talk about shared groundhogs, source heat pumps.
we are at the back of your report, page 54, it says local councils will have legal agreements in place for things like future
Jane Atkinson, Deputy Chair - 0:59:20
maintenance, but is there a recognition that needs funding as well, you know, you wouldn't want to put these in one and then this the schemes fail because they can't afford to be funded.
yes, all or as part of.
Scott Patient, Chair - 0:59:36
Bella Mkrtchyan, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 0:59:39
part 1 of the scheme will its starting pad, one that crosses over into part two, we will be conducting a feasibility study what Leeds will be conducting a feasibility study to investigate the viability of the ground source heat pumps.
the financial and legal implications.
commercial implications, so everything that that's the whole point of the feasibility study, which quick that the additional costs for the feasibility study have been calculated and as part of their business justification Case 0 yeah, the that will be covered by the feasibility study, which will hopefully will give us all those learnings that we need to apply to power to any party will be hopefully insolvent as ground source heat pumps with everything that we learn in the physicality study.
thank you.
matter.
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:00:30
thank you, Chair, I mean first of all there is reflected by my background in private sector renewal work years ago, I'm a huge,
Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership) - 1:00:37
enthusiastic, hugely enthusiastic for area-based schemes, I think they're absolutely critical for.
tackling retrofit in mixed tenure areas so yeah, you know, it's really good to see some of these pilots coming forward and looking forward to seeing the pilots from the other three local authority areas to.
I just point out the rest of the research I've seen indicates that a very significant part of the overall cost of a retrofit project is actually associated with doing.
maintenance work that the site, something like 40% of the overall cost of the projects and maintenance work.
and that can often in itself, be a barrier to participation by people who are having to contribute themselves. So I think that needs to be factored into the those projects as well, but it's not just about insulation and heat pumps and other things. Actually you know some of these people need new roofs and windows and doors and another basic maintenance essentials that that I am and in some of our older neighborhoods. Actually, I think we should be looking at this as more of a
an opportunity to realise those neighborhoods for the next 100 years, rather than just thinking it was energy efficiency project.
and I think thank you for your comments, just takes our extra strain.
just to give them Members.
Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:02:00
a bit more comfort is as part of this scheme and with the other
Ariba Rashid, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:02:03
area-based schemes. We are upwards Tin in a disrepair package of work, so you know if new roofs are needed, we will cut the budget to go and do that because we recognise that there could be structural issues that we may not necessarily realised. Illness were in the house they compound, so there is budget for disrepair, and just to also clarified that, once the works have been installed in a in a property, there is a defect period, so within 12 months, maybe a bit longer. If works need to go in to maintain the works I've already been delivered. There is that there is a pathway for residents and it goes to Gosport
I'm just gonna, take Chair's progress. He reflected from a before over
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:02:43
other people were and just just wonder about how how this get scaled up. You know are a barrier massive, I didn't look at Calderdale being picked out first and then lots of that as a good model of how it's been applied, and especially in communities that need that work. But how does it? How does it work in terms of looking at a post and during
Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:03:07
one one and then sort the sort of ramp up really so radical question, and it's something that we've just initially start thinking about the
Ariba Rashid, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:03:12
way that I see at work needs to be gathered. All the learnings be typo we gather the deliberately parentis but completions black Holland and will look at how we can effectively scale that them across the regions, but it's something that was we've. We have started thinking about something we need to consider a bit further, but it is on our agenda
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:03:31
thank you so much, I think it was Gideon and then Councillor Cooper
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 1:03:36
yeah, thanks for that I think it's really positive.
couple of thoughts, one Scandinavia just been doing this for quite a long time, and they're combining it with the likes of heat pumps and combined heat and power plant, and things like that, so combinations of which I think would be really useful to look at how we integrate these things together and baseload is important and that's where I think the local authorities will come into into their own on it but,
we've found with. As with district heat schemes in general, the baseload is really important to make the economic case for it, and also you then need to provide the confidence to people that they're not gonna get the there are the costs jacked up very quickly. You know when someone takes it on and it will just have to put the gossip. So we need something around all of that side of it to make sure that we understand it. Maintenance is is an important one as well, but also to go with that is training of the people who are using it in those properties, and that might be a rolling thing because people will change as they're going along, so that's it. Thank you
thank you get it over to as Cooper.
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:04:55
couple of things I, I wonder, if would get the most learning out of
Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 1:04:57
out of this project because he's gonna be about learning, isn't it to extend, then I guess it would be useful if the five local authorities dealt with maybe different types of situations, so it's not all about the terraced houses, there's some of them might be a 19 70s, build leaky house or whatever, so I'm just wondering there's any opportunity for us to look at different archetypes and find different ways of doing that, so you know I'm terribly sorry Coakley's but Calderdale got the terraces first.
Hello, you've gotta, go and find some 70 s houses that I guess the other question is is outcome outcome Wakefield and Bradford and Kirklees haven't got anything yet is there is there a timescale by which time they've gotta Getty, I see the Calderdale schemes 1 million or so the Leeds schemes, about 3.800 million is are indicated, some that they go forward as they just come to you with the project and you go yeah right
often.
Peter Glover, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:05:59
in response to your first question, we are trying to diversify the area-based schemes, so look at different property archetypes and try
Ariba Rashid, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:06:03
and find different innovations that we can test up. So there is a possible at that Barclays we may look at added on modern builds at adult. It just depends on what the officers come back to us. And, yes, with your second question, we are working with our partners in each district and currently scoping up their area based schemes and its if Coakley's come to us with a project scope with an X budget. We will work towards that, so at the moment we have indicted we allocate 1 million per area based scheme, but we know that the cost of coming in higher, so we are trying to find ways in how we can
and support each district with their proposed eBay scheme.
hopefully one.
so.
it leads is so it leads.
it is an indicative budget of 3 million, they are bringing in so much funding, which has helped lower that cost, but if say, please do come up with this with a larger budget, we are able to come this match funding and you know if it is a very innovative scheme then we will try and commit money to that, but can't make any promises just depends on how the scoping exercise goes.
thank you from some corporations, though, which was good.
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:07:22
it was always thus that Leeds got.
but no thanks, thank you, thank you so much for the report re really good, to see some of that work already sought from the stocks and working through, and I am sure that different local authorities will be provided different things so it can monitor its progress.
and thank you so much for that, okay.
moving a motion, I believe I have to just note the contents of the report and we are where we endorse the approach, so I'm not seeing anyone saying now, so thank you so much.

10 Project Approvals - Flooding

moving on to flood risk management projects approvals, and there's some decisions required in this one, and I believe this is going to be presented by Rob Chapman, who's way down there.
welcome, thank you Chair.
Ariba Rashid, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:08:12
excuse me and presenting three flood schemes to today at the first one is Albert Street flood alleviation scheme, which basically comprises
Rob Tranmer, Officer West Yorkshire Combined Authority - 1:08:29
of two pipes, either side of the River, which is additional to the drainage college, the problem first there is that the when the when the river does flood and the overtops they it puts the existing surface water drainage scheme.
and basically that can't cope so basically the properties flood, so the proposal is to create two new large pipes either side of the river.
which will take the floodwater downstream and into the river again, so this is not really a flood protection scheme in that it enhances the existing protection because there is no capacity to do that in the middle of the the town, it is about mitigating what may happen anyway and that will be to divert the water further downstream where there's a weird and the advantage of that not only is that it it not only protects the properties, but it also takes the water away from a sewage treatment works which is downstream whereas if it goes into the existing,
surface water gullies stripped down to the sewage treatment works, so it forms two functions and it increases the standard protection from 1 in 25 250 for these properties in the area that are involved and it will reduce the depth of water more quickly when it does come over so it will get it away quicker and that will enhance protection to 28 businesses which previously flooded in February 22.
so it's not, it's an immediate benefit.
the scheme will be constructed or is expected to be completed by July
Rob Tranmer, Officer West Yorkshire Combined Authority - 1:10:02
25, so those benefits will be felt fairly quickly.
it's been developed by Copley's Council collaboration with the Environment Agency and will provide an economic benefit of just over 1.2 million pounds when you take into account all of the impacts of the flooding that it's gonna, prevent the scheme will achieve an estimated net carbon reduction of 41 tons over a 50 year appraisal period and it delivers a BCR of 2.3 to 1 so is considered time value for money.
and the decision sought today is that work commences through the assurance process Toots Vaughan West, commented on activity 5 delivery and the funding sought is 526,176 pounds investment and that will be 100% funded by the Combined Authority from the single investment fund investment priority 3 gainshare allocation,
the further recommendation as the Combined Authority enters into a funding agreement with Coakley's Council and that future approvals are made in accordance with the insurance pathway and improvements, approval, route and tolerance is outlined in the report.
soak up, not 20 minutes got any questions.
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:11:10
OK, thank you so much for that because that would take place individually, so we vote to the Coakley's Carrickfergus, so thank you reducing the ward I represent. So back in February 20 to 2022, I was
Adam Ashman, Advisory Representative (Yorkshire Water) - 1:11:22
Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 1:11:25
directing traffic away from away from the Brook Queensway road, where where which was completely and utterly flooded, and and I guess I should declare an interest, because the Star Inn public house which I go drinking in was flooded and goods kept out of business for for quite a while, so I'm quite pleased that that that's occurring that the there is a question wi, which is
further upstream, the in Armytage Bridge, there's concern about that area as well, and I'm just wondering what the opportunities are for combining LA.
the River Home, other issues to be able to.
maybe address J get additional funding or whatever is required to address the same issues at the same time as if you deal with it upstream, there's less issues downstream.
yeah, the this game is being dealt with in isolation simply because
Rob Tranmer, Officer West Yorkshire Combined Authority - 1:12:20
it's a quick win, and it's it's urgent to be honest, the Environment Agency are progressing on a much larger scheme.
but we are not working with them at the moment, it's a longer term scheme requires quite significant funding, so I'm not sure if it's in further phase, but maybe in further phases of our capital programme, but at the moment which working up the allocation of funding that we've been given so far.
Graham
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 1:12:47
yeah, I've got a couple of quick questions actually man, I'll declare an interest that it's an area that I know well and also has got a lot of biodiversity within it, and also is now further downs slightly further downstream.
is being developed by revamped connections and and other groups to make dinner an attractive walkway and down there if you're putting pipes in how big a day, and how does that give effect further down, like I don't know quite how far your planning on these pipes going?
Rob Tranmer, Officer West Yorkshire Combined Authority - 1:13:23
that's that sounds OK, as long as we can still approve the project
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:13:52
today, which is the input important thing, yeah, OK.
can we look too, I mean, firstly, thank you so much for the for the report on this sounds like a very, as you've said, or a quick and easy win, but really impactful at the same time, so can we agree the recommendations that Robb set out please absolutely today that for a show of hands from Members please yeah fantastic OK, thank you Rob moving on to the next one.

11 Project Approvals - Better Neighbourhoods

10 Project Approvals - Flooding

okay, the next one is the Sheepscombe Park refurbishment scheme, which came in late city centre, I'm not sure if anybody familiar with it, but it's the Sheepscar, Sheepscar Junction Street car park, runs from Meanwood right down through map gate into the city centre and discharge at the river.
the the scheme is quite an historic scheme, which is a channel which flows between buildings and it's very constrained, it has a series of culverts under roads, and its canal connects in its nature and is in a
Rob Tranmer, Officer West Yorkshire Combined Authority - 1:14:50
very poor condition.
the the failure of the channel walls would lead to blockages in the channel and the culverts and an increase in flood risk to 51 residential and 255 commercial properties.
the Council development the Councillor Mowat
reactively remove blockages, but it's getting to the point where it really needs a full refurbishment.
the scheme has been developed by Leeds City Council in collaboration with the Environment Agency, and it can provide an economic benefit of 32.796 million so significant the scheme will achieve an estimated net carbon reduction of 2,439 tonnes over a 50 year period.
one scheme delivers a BCR of 7.9 to 1, which is exceptional.
and it would expect to be delivered by April 2025.
the signal sought is to proceed through decision point for full business case work commenced on delivery the funding sources 620,104 from the Single investment Fund investment priority fee gouge allocation towards total scheme cost of 1,563,401 and that scheme will achieve match funding from the Environment Agency of 943,297 so the combined authorities contribution is roughly about 40%.
they come back, and the recommendation is that Combined Authority instance into a funding agreement relates to the Council and the further approvals are made in accordance with the Assurance pathway and approval route and tolerance is outlined in the report so again or in fact up now to question thank you Robin though those numbers are
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:16:27
pretty impressive BCA so that officers can only dream of I am assuming that Councillor Dow you're going to want to speak on this.
thank you, yes, I just wanted to pick up on a couple of points in in
Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 1:16:39
the report. The first one is where it talks about enhancement of the local environment, and that's clearly going to be an important part of the scheme, but also in terms of a of ongoing maintenance. So you talk about build-up of vegetation of they bring in in situ and at tree roots growing through, so just wondering about the ongoing maintenance of bats and the funding of that, and then another one underneath is again a really important point and it says improving understanding amongst landowners about their responsibilities and clearly part of the reason that the lots of the the the the build-up of debris occurred as is because people have not been looking after the area and just wondering about what does that involve in terms of improving people's understanding and commitment once the scheme has been as being completed
yeah, it's a very complex position because there were over 100
Rob Tranmer, Officer West Yorkshire Combined Authority - 1:17:43
landowners in the area, so actually getting the landowners to to do the work is quite challenging because of multiple land ownerships I mentioned, and also the fact that these ownerships can change regularly and a lot of tenanted tenancy so there's a very complex, long position down there.
the Council had gone through an engagement process of engagement with all landowners, and part of that process is not only to achieve the
the ability to get on the site because, although the Council do our statutory rights to go on there and can do the work and kind of force the way and if you like, but obviously they try to do these things with consent, so they've had a constant dialogue over the past few months with with the landowners to to explain what we want to do, why they want to do it, and all all of that will be also about raising awareness about the fact that they have a on an ownership and a responsibility to to maintain it. The challenges that, as you can imagine, it is is the the the actual ownership position. He's not 100% clear every time. Sometimes these are not clear on the Land Registry. The other issue is that
because the channel, maybe in two ownerships, either side of the Channel who does what bits you know, it's it's a very complex, complex position and historically the Londoners have not generally been aware of any responsibility they have so that in itself will be beneficial to raise that awareness it the the awareness will result in them, hopefully making sure that things don't get fall into the canal.
et cetera, and create some blockages, or if something you know things on their land or walls which are in disrepair, what may fall in, but the whole point of this project is to give it a full refurbishment. So when it talks about amenity in the area and improving amendments, say some of that will be about removing things like broken down fencing and walls and replacing them with good quality, better quality, better quality products. If you like, from a visual perspective, so the Council of are also aware of the fact that some die. Whilst this channel is hidden, there will be some areas where
the current boundary walls and fences are very prominent from the roadside so that they are aware of that and that there was a an ongoing Mabkhout regeneration in that area, and so the intention is to make sure they do a one and a tidy job and make it better for the area.
where there's where there's a lot of trees and shrubs that are grown out of the wood out of the out of the walls, that's partly because of the fact that they're in disrepair and so nature has got to hold there, so we've not taken that out and putting better planting him that's better able to to be managed not in that subtle location.
yeah, as and the the Council will be obviously continue into carry out reactive maintenance because, whilst or it's not, it's not the Council's responsibility from a statutory point of view.
the Council does have responsible SIF for flood and therefore they want to make sure that obviously it does not, and they're not gonna attend by now to work, they're gonna continue to maintain it, but obviously that's within their existing budget constraints and resources.
thank you, I think that's really important and that, and hopefully
Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 1:21:01
it'll fit in with the the other regeneration around the area and give it that kind of feel that people want to look after it, which I think has partly been the problem.
perfect thank you, and thanks to a comprehensive response, so so, once
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:21:14
again Members can we agree the recommendations that Robb sets out for this particular scheme.
OK, great, fantastic, moving on to last, but not certainly not least, thank you.
at the next next game, as a brigade flood alleviation scheme.
Rob Tranmer, Officer West Yorkshire Combined Authority - 1:21:31
that scheme will reduce flood risk to up to 55 residential and 359 non-residential properties as well as to the local highway network, it's a major scheme which involves repairing or replacing flood defences along the River Calder, some of which is already in train but the the there will also be the next phase of the project, his landscape and environment improvements to parks to reduce the risk of flooding from Clifton Beck which feeds into the corridor.
the works to these works to Welham Park, and Whinney Hill Park will create 1.5 6 hectares of wetland that will improve tenures and of flood waters within the park's well worth.
whether the land will be allowed to flood.
slowing the flow of water from how how house becks could make prevention, Clifton Beck, as well as a range of biodiversity benefits, so it's quite a large scheme in terms of the the flood attenuation area, but it has a dual benefit and that is not just a pond full of water, it's it's on it's a natural scheme which will increase biodiversity as significant improvements the park in terms of of planting and footways and and
of wetland areas stumbled over through a single investment fund, investment prior to through gainshare allocation.
the scheme has developed by the Environment Agency and will provide an economic benefit of 75.800 million so again some very significant scheme and scheme will achieve an estimated net carbon reduction of 10,777 tonnes over a 50 year period and delivers a BCR of 3.4 to 1 so again high value for money.
so the decision sought is to approve.
approve to proceed through the soon point for commence on delivery funding is sought for up to 4.4 9 9 million from the Single investment Fund investment prior to the big bench allocation towards a scheme value of 30.809 million, so it will achieve match funding from the Environment Agency of 26,310 26.310 million excuse me
the Combined Authority enters into a funding agreement with the Environment Agency if future approvals are made in insurance with it, in accordance with the Assurance pathway and approval route and tolerance is outlined in the report.
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:23:49
thank you so much, and if Councillor scheme was here, I can imagine what she'd be said, she'd be effusive in her praise for, and I'll I, I will attempt to accent, but just to say yeah, clearly we're really happy about that and call it out is a significant milestone and for once the day after declared interests because what's happening in the south of the borough instead of
the Upper Calder Valley where I live, I know there's an awful lot of capital works happening in and around.
Brickhouse at the moment, so I know it's a very carefully managed scheme and testament to colleagues from the Environment Agency for LA learning lessons from the difficult schemes up in the Upper Calder Valley or where where I live in terms of that community engagement and really making sure that that's done right and people are being listened to and we love wetlands and nature creation so bring them on thank thank you very much or assuming no other colleagues wants to speak, so if we can move forward and once again agree recommendations that Robb set out,
thank you all and thank you for the report.

11 Project Approvals - Better Neighbourhoods

moving on yet another good news story, and this is the better neighborhoods projects approvals and Wilkins was not guided through that. Thank you very much Chair, so the item really is to get your
Noel Collings, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:25:11
approval, as a committee on the change request for the better neighbourhoods project, just to give you a little bit of an update on where we're at with that programme, that wasn't included in the the report. So today we've had 207 expressions of interest from community groups for this fund, so really well subscribe to by communities of those 41 projects have been successful in their funding, applications are being taken forward and to just give you a little bit of a flavour of what types of things are coming out, of that quite diverse, we've got energy efficiency schemes that are coming out of it. Allotment creation is coming out of that tree, planting and solar panels, so a real diversity of of projects that are really coming forward in relation to this change request is very much centred on conversations that have been going on since last year with the National Lottery Community Fund, and this is to see if they can provide additional funding for the programme of 150,000 pounds. So we're trying to get ahead of the curve here in making sure that we've got the right approvals in place for that money if and when it is provided to us by the National Lottery, and so in terms of recommendation, the the the committee is asked to approve this change request
and all the the kind of conditions that are associated with that.
thank you know, fantastic, so it's a bit of a pre-emptive request to
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:26:34
the NYT, given what's coming up and thank you, Councillor Cooper, see your first, it's just just wondering so a national lottery, I thought
Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 1:26:41
they didn't fund local authorities, but I guess this isn't local authorities. This is the this the projects. I'm just wondering that's that's the way round, it is the same as that. So and so you've navigated that issue
Noel Collings, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:26:56
we have indeed yes, so far the project and it is with the community, it will be the community fund as well, so it's a separate candidate entity to the Canavan National Lottery side of things, but yeah.
never let it be said that our officers can never go the way round the
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:27:10
bureaucratic systems of funding.
anyone else wants to speak on this or any of the projects so far, no, yes, just to reiterate, thank you and a really great scheme, and, with some potentially massive community outposts, there'd be good to revisit and say once they've been launched in here perhaps testimonials from the groups that have been successful.
Noel Collings, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:27:39
so we have obviously there's the 41 that have been successful already and we're still waiting on rounds that had just been released in Leeds, so they're doing a second round of funding and but we should be able to release the names of who's been successful, what types of projects fairly soon.
so I think to be belt and braces, I think we just need to make sure
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:27:57
we've got nods and perhaps hands of agreement to to try to make that specific thing based on the
based on the recommendations within the report, can I just see a show of hands on that?
yeah, OK, thank you all.

12 Climate and Environment Plan Progress Report and Refresh

Scott Patient, Chair - 1:28:18
moving on to number 12, which is the climate and climate and environmental plan progress report and refresh. Perhaps we can try and dwell on this a little bit because it's an important one and Noel, would you like to lead us through it? Thank you very much Chair, so you've seen the report, so this is really kind of Abbott. I won't go
Noel Collings, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:28:36
into too much detail in terms of just repeating that this is very much about getting our input into that refresh, but also can you get in your comments in terms of where we've got to in in our journey so far on the on the plan? So it is split into two, the first one you'll have seen through Appendix 1
kind of gives you a little bit of an overview of of progress to date and very happy to pick up any comments related to that and what's in the the presentation itself, the second part of it really just to dwell a little bit in terms of what the priorities should be for the final year of the delivery of that plan and then the final part of this which is looking forward looking to kind of what happens next what the shape of the plan looks like going forward.
you know that is very much to get your views and thoughts on what's, in the paper and that scope of that refresh, but particularly candid dwelling on that relationship between the refreshed climate environment plan and at the local level in terms of local authority, candidate climate plans as well.
that's probably as much as I wanted to can see on this chairman and given the kind of time for a little bit of debate and conversation.
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:29:52
thank you Nolan, there's some interest in question, preloaded questions, therefore, members and other people on the panel in terms of how should this dovetail with local climate action plans, there's a year left of it like how do we monitor and track that and how do we think perhaps think about priorities now and in the future, but happy to defer to Members to pick up anything so far?
not seeing any hands in the air social I kick off if, if I may yeah clearly there's.
well, and not an unforeseen, but clearly there's gonna be a disconnect in terms of the life of the plan versus where other local authorities are at in terms of that plan to some of the priorities, and I know we all know that you have dialogue with officers across our different local authorities but in terms of making that real,
how how do we look at what's left in terms of the life of this plan versus different, very, very, very differing priorities in other locations? So for Ferozi and we know that transport and decarbonising is something that's a golden thread throughout all of us, but we perhaps know that things around nature, restoration and the UN and work perhaps differs in some of our different local authorities in terms of a priority. I know that Calderdale, for example, can do a lot more on carbon sequestration by sorting out the peat bog. You know, perhaps than somewhere like Leeds can, so how do we make that real?
I think we probably need a little bit of conversation with with
Noel Collings, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:31:25
officers from each of the district to kind of just do that cut that kind of gap analysis, cross-referencing to in terms of what what is he's kind of been prioritised or is a gap at that local level and where that aligns with the climate and environment plan that we have and what was was set out in the first place when this was put together and three years ago, so I think with the kind of the lead officer group will kind of undertake that that kind of work as part of that refreshed programme and consider the next year going forward to see kind of where that gap analysis directors to,
you know, we're very keen to have those dialogues with local authorities around where we think that gaps might might exist, where we think we need to put a bit more resource where we might want to do more to enhance an offer in an area so quite happy to have those kind of conversations and can the ship and steer that the approach to to suit that.
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:32:29
OK and I'm just just briefly before a little bit Councillor saying I'm not sure if other local authorities have a similar mechanism, as we do, with a climate emergency officer forum or something very similar, but that might be a good platform in our case and perhaps replicable in other places to come and talk about how that might work in real terms. I'm gonna come to you first, Councillor
yeah, I just wanted to come into on that point, really that things
Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 1:32:55
move really quickly, don't they in in terms of the progress that local authorities are making and the priorities that we all have, so I think that's just an important piece of work to be done to to look at what's changed since since this was initiated particularly with reference to the work that's that's going on in each individual area and how can that shape what each of the individual areas wants to prioritise moving forwards?
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:33:27
brilliant, fantastic I'm going to Paul Gideon and then Martin thanks.
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 1:33:30
just going back to what I said earlier on about K P ice and carbon targets, and things like that, I think it's really important that we start thinking about how these things actually fit, together with it and other things as well, in terms of biodiversity and equality and things like that but it it really is important if we are to keep out targets for Net Zero then how do we actually to turn what this is going to deliver what we think is going to deliver?
and I think, yeah, looking at this and then looking at what we tend to do next, what's the big bang for the buck in terms of carbon, and in terms of the other things, as opposed to just all, that sounds good there, and that sounds sounds good, I think we need to be really cohesive with all of this.
thank you for that point matter.
Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership) - 1:34:23
yeah, in the context of the question about linking with the local plans that the slide deck presents very much, a report on the Combined Authority is activity which I'm sure is probably entirely deliberate, but for an agenda as big as the climate change actually collaboration. Everybody agrees that collaboration is the key in it. I think in terms of the new plan that has to be central to the narrative in in it, that it isn't just right. This is what the Combined Authority is doing, and yet we're aware that local authorities are doing all of this as well, but actually it all for me, it ought to try and paint a picture of of how those interconnections are working
yeah, I just pick up on that because obviously there's commerce, and
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:35:14
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 1:35:18
as academia and as public sector as everything here, and it needs to cover all of it and yeah I was thinking earlier when you go through this. There's not a much about, you know the the business sector in all of this, and we we have colleagues who don't turn up very regularly now and I'm wondering if it's because it doesn't deliver for them in terms of the the business sector so much info from the private sector. One, I know we've had conversations before about this so yeah, they're a big part of the delivery on this and I think they need to be
part and parcel of the next book process with it, thank you show.
Jenny Cooke, Advisory Representative (Environment Agency) - 1:36:01
yeah, thanks a specific comment in a more general one, I think in terms of the specific warning and looking at wider politics, we're about to embark on a piece of work with the ambulance service around
Ian Holmes, Advisory Representative (NHS West Yorkshire Integrated Care Board) - 1:36:10
the future, an ambulance fleet and what sustainability might look like for that, and there's big questions around the the sort of the infrastructure for EV charging, particularly lamp in in A&E department it would be really good to connect with some focus group on that in terms of you know, we're looking at opportunities around capital investment which isn't particularly plentiful at the minute in the NHS.
in new innovative ways of sourcing funding, so it would be good to connect, I think, with this group around that piece of work more generally, the health and care partnership has got a a climate environment strategy which covers a lot of the same territory as this but from a slightly different perspective, so I think a wider conversation around how we maximise the potential of collaboration across the ICB and through this committee I think would be really helpful.
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:37:02
Ian, that just sounds like you've created a future agenda item for remixing so.
I, for one, would love to hear more about the work that you do in, so maybe put opinion that one is it possible to think about.
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:37:18
yeah, thank you, I'm just wondering why, no, how does this information fit with the data that we saw at the top of the meeting, so when we're looking at a KPI as around?
Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 1:37:25
Adam Ashman, Advisory Representative (Yorkshire Water) - 1:37:29
in the trajectory from 2019 onwards, via zoom, in which I can I'm here, which I can show Tina, how does the as a report that we're looking at now?
influence at 1.00 point on the graph.
so I think there's a different distinction between this, and this kind of paper is very much looking at the climate and environment plan
Noel Collings, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:37:50
itself and the activity that was outlined in that document itself.
what the monitoring indicators is the global picture in terms of West Yorkshire, so we'll have an impact on that, but.
trying to kind of map that against the bigger picture of what emissions are, so I do not think that the total total kind of emissions for West Yorkshire something like 11.1 megatons side of things with the best will in the world over a three-year period we're not gonna make a massive dent in that as part of the climate environment plan so that's why it'll have influenced intel of ship to it but in terms of,
trying to map it against that it, it would be a very small portion of that occur in terms of direct action, what we facilitate is probably grit than that, but that's quite a difficult one to Kalyapin down, so it was once the holistic new ones are specifically with the authority go OK, thank you.
then?
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:38:51
this. Thank you. There's really helpful comments and we're very much at the start of this process of writing the plan, so this will be
Liz Hunter, Director (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:39:01
another one of those agenda items which will keep coming back to you and seeking your input into as we move through this year. Just also mentioned, J Clough colleagues have talked about, the Sørensen were also, as you remember, writing, a local nature recovery strategy, and so that needs to sit alongside and link in so some of the comments you've made around biodiversity, net gain, etc will be wanting to see that and then feed into the climate plan as again, we're gonna come on to this in a minute would do a lot. We're looking at a local area, energy plan as well, so that needs to dovetail and the

13 Carbon Emission Reduction Pathways Refresh

the combined authorities also writing an economic strategy as well for later this year, so getting some of your comments about her business, whilst it does definitely to be in the climate plan, we need the current plan to talk to our economic strategy and through economic strategy to recognise and I am sure it will die become green transition and the role of industry as part of that so just to comply with a number of different things that play here that this year hopefully we will be able to come together to answer some of the questions that the that colleagues have rightly put on teddy boys.
thank you, I said no, I wonder if there is perhaps the opportunity
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:40:08
because those many moving parts in this, if there's a possibility of creating a focus me and maybe on how all these bits work together for any interested parties or adjacent to this appreciate at 10.20 minutes and were whistling through and quite lots of cover so just maybe something for for us all to think about.
OK, thank you all everyone for that, gonna note the content of the report and we all provided our views so thumbs up.
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:40:36
moving on to agenda item 13, which is the carbon emission reduction pathway, refreshing up to you again, no thank you very much chaser, and this is a bit of a giant.
Noel Collings, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 1:40:47
triple-locked, as I can see both for Natasha and Daniela coming up to the table, so this is really the precursor as opposed to the refresh of our climate and environment plan, really because this is, if you cast your mind back,
to when we went through this started off on this journey, we did a and evidence piece of work which then Gideon referenced earlier, which looked at the different pathway as different groups, in which we got 2038 and our net 0 target, so that work was our evidence base that underpinned a lot of the climate and environment plan we now in a position where we are looking to refresh that work to,
golf from Cardiff, three pathways that we had down to one complete pathway for West Yorkshire that we would use as one informing the the the approach that we take across the region.
arup have been commissioned to do that work for us and they're here to give you a little bit of a overview of what that looks like in terms of outputs and then get your feedback in terms of the deliverables and how that might look and your input into that work, so I'll now hand over to Daniel and Natasha
Daniel Barret (Arup) - 1:42:05
thank you rent a room estimate you all an invitation currently with a director of art in Leeds office and my colleague Daniel Barrett, who is an associate with AP, and so we're very pleased to be supporting
Natasha Connolly (Arup) - 1:42:17
ourselves on this journey and of the update of their cabin emissions reduction plan at a dance got a bit of an outline in terms of the work that we're doing, what the brief methodology and also to just raised with me how we can engage and get your input and because obviously got some really valuable insights and input that we want to build upon on the work that's been done previously and so far in going forward.
OK thanks Natasha, yeah, thank you know.
so yeah, I'm Daniel Barrett, as Natasha, Ian will introduce me very
Daniel Barret (Arup) - 1:42:49
nice to meet your so yeah, we're really pleased to have been appointed to support the refresh of the carbon emissions reduction pathways and has now said it's really in order to develop a single complete pathway to net 0 by 2038 which would describe an old combinedauthority describing as the complete pathway so might I might uses words again,
so what we will be doing will be working with the Combined Authority, its local authority partners and key stakeholders to produce three critical outputs, and that will come together to form an evidence base for the updated West Yorkshire climate environment plan, which was really good to that discussion about that just before this item.
so so a single complete pathway will be informed as well by an updated business as usual trajectory of emissions after 2038 there'll be a complete roadmap and an action plan, so a pathway, a roadmap with an actual plan with policy recommendations within that, and this will really aim to demonstrate West Yorkshire can tackle the climate and environment emergency.
and achieve your Net Zero by 2038 commitment, so a little bit on our approach. So the first core output of the project is to refresh and update the region's business as usual emissions trajectory and develop a single complete pathway to net 0 emissions by 2038. So what will we be doing? We will be updating the baseline of emissions for the Combined Authority geography, using local and national information and data, so some of the data and sources for using include UK government subnational energy emissions datasets that produced and released annually by UK government UK energy data as number of energy provide us in the room Silber, drawing upon their datasets, major energy projects, housing projections and profiles and local authority owned and commercial building stock, were available.
we will review revoke reported progress in the West Yorkshire climate and Environment Plan as now set out earlier, and where this provides quantitative evidence of reductions in carbon emissions will seek to reconcile that with UK government reports admissions as well.
and then we will apply UK government, national electricity grid and transport decarbonisation forecasts to develop business as usual pathway.
and what would that that provides with is, if there was no new action at West Yorkshire level where would that get to in terms of 2038 Net 0, well then look to review and identify key emission sources for sectors within the Combined Authority geography? There was a discretionary round business sector so that's obviously a key source and to classify those that are within the Combined Authority control and influence and those are outside of that control and then will look to develop a complete pathway to 2038.
for those emissions that you have controlling direct influence over as an authority and for those who don't will look to use national policy assumptions for decarbonisation, such as UK government carbon budget delivery plan.
well, then look to structure the future emissions trajectory, modelling in line with existing modelling that was done for the first pathways work.
and we're looking to update the model and will also look to map to UK government local authority emissions reporting categories such as transport, waste, energy, etc and this really helps to ensure compatibility with ongoing reporting from the UK government.
and allow for the Combined Authority to track performance over time against these datasets as well.
well also chalked the region's progress against the Tyndall Centre work that was done a few years back as well in terms of net 0 2038, so just final thing to say on the pathway.
or come is the future emissions that will be looking to identify really what happens to emissions in the context of forecast changes in electricity grid, decarbonisation whilst the impact of national policy and commitments from the UK government known developments and changes in housing population, land use committed policies and plans by the Combined Authority and local partners.
and also what will be the impact of local average energy planning and the role of electrification and hydrogen for inclusion in the complete pathway?
and then also, finally, any considerations, the Combined Authority is looking to make around its own carbon budgets for emissions sectors under its control, so the second core output will be the roadmap.
for emissions and sectors.
and this will include timescales milestones and decisions points that will need to be.
made by up to 2038.
and it really present on what the Combined Authority and its partners have to do by when indicative timescales for action and key decision points are identified, and then the third and final core out of the project will be a clear and common understanding of the type scales, timescales and impacts of policy recommendations ensuring these really reflect the likely structure of the refreshed climate environment plans will be working closely with Noel and his team on how that its own shaping up and also how governance such as this committee policy and them stakeholders work with a combined authority going forward.
in terms of costing and the work that I have just set out, we will look to do that as a strategic policy level and include indicative benchmark project level costings or drawing costumes that have already been done by other partners, including those in the room and engaging in working with the combined authorities, partners and stakeholders to validate this work will be critical, so it will be undertaking a series of interviews with key stakeholders selected by the Combined Authority and some of you in the room today so expect contact from herself or a colleague to help them.
up to 1 hour interview or as much time as you can give to the project, and that'd be really tailored interviews linked to your expertise and contributions to the pathway roadmap and action plan.
I will also look to host a workshop with the five West Yorkshire local authorities to ensure that their critical participation and outputs of the project meet local needs, so is really keen to hear discussion around making sure that the local is reflected in the regional, so you will make sure that happens and then the third part of our slot today is really to listen and to involve the Committee at this early stage so we're really keen to hear today of what you were looking for from this project.
what would make the outputs you saw for yourself and really to just?
to gain your involvement in shaping projects as it goes forward, OK, thank you know.
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:49:50
firstly, thank you and I'm one and you're very welcome, congratulations on doing the work and we will follow them unseen that progress, but let's not let art down and let's give them some food for thought, has anyone got any questions immediately?
the first year.
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 1:50:08
yeah, thank you, and thanks for the the update, their thanks for the paper
I guess it was a sort of clarification really about the one pathway versus three scenarios or three different pathways, because I guess on one hand the we need to, we can't do that and all the time.
I want to make a difference, and I guess that's part of what's driving this and the I applaud the desire to sort out the the difficult nub of emissions that any of us will see that bit, and I like that, but then the other piece about having three pathways it does allow but it continuously and some decisions that are outside of our control if you like that haven't been made yet so for example,
the hydrogen strategy in 2026 would be a big one for that I would have thought so just wondering if you've got some thoughts there about how to get the best of both worlds are supposed to try and go for it.
get a single pathway, work out how to get it down to 0, but then also how to deal with that contingency point, some unknowns and some uncertainties that still we can't we have to manage as we go through.
Daniel Barret (Arup) - 1:51:16
if you want to save the testament, Alice is gonna say no, and I guess you know a plan is a plan and you know what you do, what is best, as you've done so far, what you think you know there's only so much you can predict and forecast and there will be change along the way as a pathway as you go in and I think that's the importance of having the adaptability and endeavour to get the technique it's gonna be technology changes is gonna be costs, changes that secondary technology that wasn't
no cost effective now will be cost effective in a year or in a number of years, and you know, we've all seen that and I'm sure you know through your changes of solar batteries in different things, so I think while we will set out a pathway will be best in Abbas's case,
now, but I think it's that's the importance of always continually reviewing re you know where we're going, we did that with most clients in terms of there's an always a collaborative approach in terms of things need to change as things progress, so I think there's it there is a balance of choosing a pathway but also being open to as changes Katherine N S because I don't think you can lock yourself in and deliver to you know to the exact point.
for the next five years because, as things changed significantly as we know, and I think just to add to that two things, one around the hydrogen study, we will be working closely with the Combined Authority and appoint to consult on that as we will be on the local area energy planning to really make sure that they are seamless is helpful that the Hydro study has been also taken forward by Arup so we really can't make any mistakes on that particular part of the project.
and then also
combined Authority were keen and we will be also producing a kind of
Daniel Barret (Arup) - 1:52:55
feasibility implementation framework which were looking at the feasibility of the assumptions that we make.
and also then possible mitigations and or alternatives, if those assumptions don't come forward to really then help to, I think, provide some of that contingency Jim that you saw referring to, but I think the Combined Authority set are setting the challenge which is wanting to select a pathway for the next few years so then partners can get behind the pathway, I think that's the intention, thank you, thank you both giddy in place.
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:53:32
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 1:53:36
yeah thanks thanks for that, an anxious looking, quite a lot of detail in the previous plan and pathways for it.
I you mentioned hydrogen and it and the hydrogen work I surf nervous about that, in terms of which way we go with it commercial, heavy intense industry is perfect, but if we start going back to homes and an electric cars, a-ha yeah yeah, fuel cell cars and things like that then we seem to be on the wrong trajectory and against what what is going on in in the wider field now for it so be interesting to hear your thoughts on that side of it and how we go with them.
the other thing from a from a district point of view, and that is about renewable energy and what we do about things like onshore wind, and how can the combined authority and the pathway hopefully I can that's as a an assumption but hopefully stimulate that side of it in the way we actually develop those those activities and how what we said earlier which weren't in, but how do we integrate these things together? So if we talked about heat pumps and batteries, you mentioned but also wind and things like that as well and how do we make it all work together?
thank you
I was gonna, bring him in it until we are unsure when you've written
Daniel Barret (Arup) - 1:55:04
ha ha, how do you attract investors and development in that side or in
Natasha Connolly (Arup) - 1:55:12
terms of developing iron renewable energy as comprehension of those, but also how do we make the planning system work for it, and how do we make economic to actually put the plans together? I can admit that I have a wind turbine company whose small-scale stuff I'm not thinking
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 1:55:28
of it, I'm thinking of it from my experience of that, which could put a lot of money into doing the planning applications, but at the moment no one's doing it because who knows what's gonna actually go through, so we've had basically since 2015 no-win go into into offshore wind, we don't have offshore wind, we're you know
landlocked, so it's an important part of how we do this yeah yeah, big solar farms are great, but they take up space as well, so what do we do with big roofs and things like that and it's Councillor how do we integrate all that together and stimulate that to make it happen as well?
yeah yeah so identifying the blockers for be able to get the both
Daniel Barret (Arup) - 1:56:12
pathways there so that there is, of course, a large planning
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:56:16
application for a wind farm within West Yorkshire currently active, and it'd be interested to know Arabs, sort of if they have any level of discussion in in in how that may or may not play forward.
yes.
Daniel Barret (Arup) - 1:56:31
can I ask if you've just done a couple of questions relate them?
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:56:37
it's great that you are using the government baseline data, but earlier on we had a presentation on the housing stock which actually
Jane Atkinson, Deputy Chair - 1:56:46
said that we had to clean up the data because the data wasn't that good, so first of all is is how do we know that that baseline data is good I get we're always gonna have to report back to the government so kind of we need to understand that anyway, so we need to understand that gap but the other thing as well as when we were looking at the KPI
the KPI, as we saw sort of five areas which I'm assuming. The plan will have to address, which is industry, commercial, public sector, domestic and transport, and we know the emissions have gone up in the last year with that, so when you talk about a single pathway, are you going to look at each of these sectors and are you gonna give us sensitivities because, like it was picked up earlier by Jim, you know, some of these sensitivities are gonna be based on CA private companies, private companies can tell you the world in five years, we're gonna be carbon negative, we're gonna do whatever and their plan might fail, so we need to be ahead of the game to to look at what ifs and having no sort of, I suppose, pick and mix in a way that says if that scheme drops off, but we do that saying we can still meet 2038, so is your plan? Gonna give us that granularity across the all of those sectors to allow us to be able to do that as we're going along
yeah, I mean in terms of assumptions that we use at all be fully transparent and.
Daniel Barret (Arup) - 1:58:07
shared with and then owned by the Combined Authority and yourselves as a committee in terms of then mitigation, if some of those assumptions are then not brought forward, as you clearly set out yet, that that would be part of our work and again we need to make sure the Combined Authority and the Committee cannot understand what that looks like and what the response could be in terms of the key sectors. Yes, the assumptions that will be used in the same sectors that were in the first pathway, and then where there is local data, that's as good as or in medical, all in some cases, more accurate than UK government datasets then we will use that as well. I think they're. The Combined Authority are keen that there is, though, a read across to those
designated and datasets because they are used for tracking and performance. But I think whether it's local data that is available for us to use. We are really happy to receive that and then build that in, and we are doing a full review and then refresh of the model to make sure it's ready for 2024, and we will be looking at also things like post COVID impacts on transport etc which, in certain parts of them, the other parts of the country we're working in are now starting to see a kind of return to new, normal, obviously that needs the finance will be working with Transport. Colleagues on that particular sector as an example of how is the fleet mix how trips being made are they
so making sure we've got right assumptions, yeah very much about really good points to them that will take away, thank you.
brilliant well well well, thank you so much, that's right, that's
Scott Patient, Chair - 1:59:42
really helpful and will keep a keen eye on how that develops and and thanks very much for coming speak to us today.
aware it's been two hours and I and I know we're whistling through, but I'm gonna suggest we just take a couple of minutes so we can just go and get get a drink or use the toilet or something we've got like the two or three items left but it may take half an hour it may take 15 minutes but let's see so I'm just suggesting max 5 minutes so come back by 5%.
thank you, thank you all.

13 Carbon Emission Reduction Pathways Refresh

Scott Patient, Chair - 2:00:23
very good there and one and we're back, so I am moving on to.

14 Energy System Reform and Local Area Energy Plans

agenda Item number 14, which is the energy system reform and local area energy plans. And over to you now, thank you very much. Chair, so add you've had the paper which kind of sets out where we're up to at
Noel Collings, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:00:38
the moment, in terms of the energy system reform process, that Ofgem are leading on a national scale and that paper kind of details, kind of information around what their PR suggesting in terms of that reform, the one big thing for us really is around those regional energy strategic plan is kind of process, and there's also some information in the in the report that it would be good to can't get your reflections on returned in terms of the local air energy planning process and where, up to so nearly appointed a contractor for that that process not quite able to tell you that is at the moment, but this is a bit of a jewel kind of item again. You know, but with with Jimmy, obviously from Northern Power Powergrid, and we thought it would be useful to kind of get an industry perspective on the energy system, reform, kind of process that is ongoing and from from Northern Powergrid perspective, so without further ado, I'll hand over to Jim that's all right, yeah sure thanks know so yeah I mean we'd be engaged
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 2:01:38
with this process, it's been as a standard. This is, as you as not just said, it has been led by Ofgem and the question they'd been asking through a series of consultations and engagements has been. Do we need to any difference? Do we need to do anything different where we join up the energy system actors people like myself, working on the local power grids
Northern Gas Networks, the local gas grid, the national transmission system, alongside all the local actors that are driving forward energy projects with the backdrop being espoused this is the biggest energy system transition, probably since the 19 70s, when the North Sea gas was introduced into the gas system.
and recognising in the lead up to this agenda item indeed, and the previous one and pathways all the work you know, the conversations we had about heating transport is all in there, isn't it, and then, and I guess Ofgem concluded that yes, there was a bit of a gap.
the the gap was that they thought there was a there was a need for another role within the energy system to act, as is this.
regional energy strategic planner or ar e sp, to act as this kind of and working at a subnational level at a regional level to work on energy system strategic planning, and so this will bring all the pieces together and to help make sure that the that the
energy networks companies like myself in Northern Powergrid are bringing forward the right, the right investment at the right time to support the transition
and so we've been engaging with that
and working with both Ofgem as they've been developing their policy, and also working with now the national electricity system operator that's been allocated, this task to set up these are espies around the place around the regions around round GB.
and I guess at all views on it are that this should add value as long as it's not duplicative, and that's one of the certainly that's not just what we're saying, it's also what.
representatives of the local authorities in our area is saying, because they're saying Look, we think they need to add value, not just duplicate all the good stuff that is going on already, because we're already doing local area energy plans, we're already doing energy forecasting where, whereas as being discussed, the last agenda item already looking at decarbonisation pathways, so all these things are already happening, so let's make sure we we just help bring those two things together, and I think the the key thing from our perspective is that indeed, in the design of this, that is
additive, it does bring those things together. I think where it could help areas that, although these will be regionally facing organisations that are helping to bring together a sort of common view and consensus about what is required in different parts of the regions around GB, if they do that in a consistent national framework kind of way so that it's it's speaking the same language, if you like, as as it say, the south-west of England or the north-west of England, or wherever else that will help to present a picture and help to underpin
the need for investment and the need for for bringing things together to achieve these regional targets, which they can then then, in turn support national targets, so that's what's going on the the sort of energy system reform, as I said, I don't think it stops anything we are doing locally and regionally at the moment.
and it should help us to, I guess, as it at a time when, as the paper said, there's some, there are some big challenges at the moment that the the biggest challenge we got at the moment is about the connection of large grid scale.
generation and storage, whether some big big connection pipeline queues, people waiting for for connections there, so that's something we are doing something about locally and working with because of the the issue, I guess is the time being taken at the national grid level to build out some pretty big engineering infrastructure projects? So that's why we are working closely with them because it's affecting people connected to our network, link next up into the big wires of the national system, and that's why we're working on projects to accelerate connections and also look at managing the queues of connection projects to make sure that we can use the available capacity for those projects that are ready to connect and not just those that have got some capacity reserved but haven't yet used it. So so that's absolutely some of that. Some of the what we're doing there, but I think the reason why those those those things fit quite nicely on the same paper is that the reform proposals are seeking to avoid some of the problems we've got today in terms of some of the problems that you know in some of the priorities in the future, to make sure we keep out of it
because we certainly don't want to be a blocker on the region's ambitions to decarbonise and to meet that that pathway a common pathway we've just been talking about, so that's it, Councillor patient, hope, that's a useful a bit of a sir download but are happy to take any other questions everyone's got.
from my perspective on that, thank you, thank you Jim that is indeed
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:07:09
helpful, Councillor Cooper you first.
so so, thanks for that and
I, I'd
Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 2:07:16
it is what are we measuring, I guess, is the question?
because
I think you know if we have got large projects that stuck in the stuck in the system, it's like how many years is it before they'll get dealt
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:07:30
with if it's large projects and so yeah yeah of things like 0 it's 20 years for this project and so what would it be would it be useful, I think he saw some things to look at where you say these are the projects in West Yorkshire which would be which being held up and one and look each year and see if things have got better.
and be able to lobby to be able to try and get things moved along, so so so having something that's really tangible to look at would be Bray for them. The other thing that we're here is not just big projects, but hear about people who've got. We were getting solar panels on the roof and say, sorry, you could only have two kilowatt peak on you because of the because the issues with connectivity we've got in the area and so being able to see what we can do to address those sort of issues where there's whether it's problems, but people are trying to do the domestic connectivity and small scale stuff so as to help the microgeneration network, so it'd be good to see if we can address those those sort of problems. Re
yeah
to respond to those, thank you so yeah, and I think it's important to
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:08:40
think of those are two separate issues, so on the first one on the on the big stuff, if you like, above a megawatt, so it is kind of
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 2:08:44
mortgage scale utility.
that that data is being produced, both is being produced by us and is also being brought together by our trade association, the energy Networks Association, to be able to give a national picture as well. So we can see where the issues are and also what we are doing. I'm gonna say we were taking steps to to sort that out when we can accelerate connections, we're counting out how much we can accelerate them by and say, Give us sort of some typical typical accelerations there and how much we can connect
I mean that there's some really interesting figures, I think, both in terms of what the problem is and into also terms of what was coming forward as solutions.
so and particularly where so much of this as well is not just about generation, it's also about storage, so stories have been talked about and talking about back battery storage.
wow we've got, and this is a north-eastern Yorkshire picture, not a West Yorkshire picture but in the north-east and Yorkshire we've got 27 gigawatts of projects that are in our connections pipeline and about half of those will be connecting in the next couple of years or the next five years, but then about half of them are into the 2030 s because they are affected by this congestion on the on the on the big grid system, but we're sharing that data throughout with stakeholder webinars and things as well. But that's the first point. The second point about the very different, as you form, that distinction between the microgeneration, I think we've got solutions in place for that and, and it's about us making sure that we share those with people and listened to what those problems are, that people are getting and make sure we can solve them because they're not connected to this other one and and they're not, they're not requiring
you know at 10.00 years of connection.
a big transmission project to get people connected.
OK, I'm gonna let me even I'm gonna, let Martin jump the queue because
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:10:43
he seems super-keen, and then I'll let Councillor Phoebe come in.
thank you, Chair Abbey is for its on that that particular point about
Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership) - 2:10:50
domestic connections, because there is a bottleneck from what all my colleagues tell me there is a bottleneck it is affecting our delivery of retrofit schemes and decarbonisation of 8 in our homes in social housing as heat pumps and technology becomes more trusted and cheaper if that is only going to get worse I had a statistic. 8 million homes in the UK are currently on a loop system which needs to and need to be developed in order to facilitate the pump EV connections, EV charging connections and solar panels and coupled with that,
Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership) - 2:11:24
there's that's the kind of the the problem side, the opportunity side is by installing battery technology, why scale at domestic level you then helped to you help on the demand management side, we've smart metering and so on that can help actually help smooth out.
peak demand and the peak heaters, I think, is that the phrase is there's this photograph, so I am really concerned that whilst the big projects grab all the headlines, actually there's a huge bottleneck, there's only going to get bigger in on domestic siting.
maybe we'll take the others and see if we can just pull them into one
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:12:09
that's OK, Councillor forever yeah.
thank you, actually man is very much on that practical level and it's
Cllr Sarah Ferribly (Bradford Council) - 2:12:16
around the battery storage and and will that be localised because, and the same practical level, because we do say the the National Grid at times going down, especially when we have adverse weather and there's we're moving mare to electricity for use whether it's recharging vehicles or whether it's home use et cetera,
if the power goes down and everybody is reliant on getting the Cas charged heating a term etc unless you have that local supply there, but considerably kick in like an old-fashioned generator, we're gonna be a bit Stoke and actually what are the plans for local delivery of some of these areas that that will actually alleviate the problems when the the main grid goes down?
and just get in and then hopefully come back on the Mall, thank you.
yeah, thanks to him.
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:13:21
just off the back of the domestic side of it, we know from my own knowledge that the agricultural side are also struggling a bit as well
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 2:13:31
in terms of grid connection, so that was one thought and from the renewables and battery storage and also that they're getting told that there's not enough grid even if they want to go off grid so to speak, which is a bit of a confusion with a tunnel and they're not allowed to so something maybe we can pick about outside of here.
I do have a question about waste to energy and have a look at our Deputy Chair now.
as we as we Decalogue referred to calorific, finally, if that's a word, the the waist streams that we're talking about at the moment, you know we're taking out plastics, we're taking out food waste and things like that, what's the impact of that going to be in terms of our energy availability within the system and I suppose for for the actual organisations that will be about the economics of at what points that make it not viable to do it and how does that affect us especially with district heat and things like that?
decoupling gas and electricity would be a fantastic one for Ofgem to look at, and I think it would help us all.
and back to that domestic thing, we also talked about whole street work at the moment, and how does that affect it and then via vehicle to grid and vehicle to building yeah, it's anything gonna be looked at on that side of it if that does take off, thank you.
nice, easy stuff to do their job.
yeah, just a few.
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:15:04
yeah, so I'll go through in order
Jim Cardwell, Advisory Representative (Northern Powergrid) - 2:15:07
it exists in some very good stuff there, I think, Martin, in terms of that bottleneck points, it'd be good to understand from you a bit more about that as to why people are seeing those bottlenecks, because I think sometimes one person's bottleneck is another person's work to do so. These are all in terms of these are all engineering projects and and there is nothing, that's that this is a very bad double negative. There's nothing does not solve everything is solvable. OK, not a better way to say this. I think
and one of the things we are seeking to do here is you know, the early in the conversation today, levy funding has been public sector decarbonisation projects. Yeah, we've got a team who's reaching out following the money, so when we say and housing associations, you know if we see money associated because I'm going to say what he planned we're planning on doing. Can we get, can we speak at early doors rather than don't tell them when you've only got three months left to spend the money because these are all engineering projects? I'm going to get into a pipeline, et cetera, but I think that will do a little better, but I think we should be tone, deaf to your point, so I'd be happy to hear some more about that.
on the local storage from Councillor Ferriby. Yes, absolutely, you are yeah, the dependability on electricity is just so much more, isn't it, because if you're now relying on electricity to do all these other things like transport that you didn't before, it becomes even more important and we do have projects going on where we are looking at how local storage can be used to support the grid in the system where you lose a bit of in feed. You know one of the things we're dealing with his period, adaptation and and a more changeable weather systems. We've been had a lot of named storms, it's been in the press, isn't it over the winter, this winter period, whatever it was, with a 10 also and counselling, and you know we're dealing with those and making sure that good investment is trying to keep up with those and trying to make the grid as resilient as possible, but there's always ways to make it more locally, resilient and that's where we are. We are keen to do some more of that, and then we are. We do have projects looking at that, too, to do that and
and giddy and finally, on the on the Russell double header there on the agricultural and energy from waste, I think I've got less on the energy from waste, I think because that's a bit of a sliver, almost like a technology question, in a wider energy system thing I mean, yes, we have energy from waste projects that are in our pipeline that are either going through connection or seeking to connect to our system. We recognise those as important technologies that we need to. We supported a Greek company and but on your on your agricultural side when we do do court of engagement, the National farmers Union in particular,
were that one of their policy officers on our stakeholder panel, so we get some good engagement, then sorry, yeah, I'd need to understand a bit more about not enough grid to go upgrade, because it does seem like an oxymoron, doesn't it but maybe offline I'll find out a bit more about that, but thank you some really good input and good questions.
that's really helpful, especially for me to take that to the ranch
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:17:54
about the engagement with the farming community, actually that's something that's quite live in our borough at the moment, so thank you so much Chairman, they can only fit there for much much much helpful, I think we just need to note that report and give thanks to Tim for your input there thank you so much.
moving on and acute to Sonia over there, who's gonna be talking to us about the green jobs task force and skills, obviously.

15 Green Jobs Taskforce and Skills

thank you, Chair and good afternoon everyone, and here to give an update on the work of the green jobs task force which this committee and members will be familiar with, having had previous updates, and specifically to seek your comments and views on the work of the next steps in terms of skills development to support the question of jobs.
Sonya Midgley, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:18:48
so just to set the scene, the green jobs task force was set up to look at the scale of opportunities for jobs, green jobs in the region and to prepare for the skills and the pathways to be ready for them the recommendations were published just before summer and those are included within your packs.
the task force did commission some research which showed that there is huge potential to create a high number of good, highly skilled jobs in the region, mostly towards the middle of the cemetery, and still are quite a large number towards 2030 but contingent on investments and policy policy decisions that are made, and it also worked with young people to co-design careers programmes and his partner, our understanding of green jobs where there will be and how they can get to them in the future to support their aspirations and future ambitions. Members of this committee will also be interested in an update on the Mario Road pledge to create good skilled jobs for young peach people, which has reached a thousand, are pledged by employers for 365 of those confirmed as being created to date.
and the work of the task force really helps, define and forecast what efforts are needed across partners in the skill system to develop and create the right kind of training and qualifications, balanced against the timing and for the demand of those jobs.
the final reports of the task force was launched by the Mayor at the House of Lords in London last year and there is a local launch planned on the 21 of February next week, I think that is at ITV Studios and members of the Committee are invited to to come and join us at that event.
I want to focus on the fourth slip, it's in your pack, which is the action plan that came out of the Task Force, which focused on three key areas where action should be taken to support individuals, to work with educators and also to support businesses and to design the right skills solutions and leads to creating green jobs.
to support the delivery of the action plan with the Combined Authority has invested over 6.5 million pounds in a skills package of support to take us forward in these three areas that includes a holistic approach to careers education. So we've worked with 10 secondary schools to undertake careers and enterprise projects that are very much focused on sustainability and why green quizzes are working with some key employers in the region, including Drax power station and Burberry and marshals, and we've also worked with teachers on some CPD sessions so that they have a better understanding of the labour market and the jobs of the future. So in turn they can support their students and there was also a suite of well used. Careers resources, cocoa, green,
Sonya Midgley, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:21:48
grey or Christmas, Austin our future goals, website which have been used by over 3,500 individual unique users in the past year
we have we are working with our business communities and are currently designing and developing a service with them, to support employees, to take up skills provision and to invest in their workforce.
with a particular focus on green and digital skills, and then without educators, we're working really closely with colleges and providers and have commissioned a number of new boot camp courses, which are short training courses that offer progression in work or into work.
so some of the more recent ones focus on hybrid vehicle maintenance, there are courses specifically designed for females to learn about green skills in construction, and indevelopment are ones around heat recovery and transfer rainwater harvesting and grey water recycling systems, so finally, the next steps are that we will be looking to commission a larger programme of activity with schools that focus on primary schools because all the evidence indicates that that's when you need to intervene in terms of careers and inspiring young people that will be going live in the next week.
there will be 1.5 million package of support for employers to help them invest in skills in relation to green and digital, that it will be co-designed with employers.
and finally, we continue to work with our colleges and F E providers, they have recently received just around 7 million pounds of funding from government that helps them invest in equipment and their staff development, not all of that is ring fenced for for green courses but a large amount of it is,
I will pose the epic questions.
thank you so much.
Councillor Furby,
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:23:44
thank you very much for that just a matter of interest, yeah, you're looking to work with primary schools.
Cllr Sarah Ferribly (Bradford Council) - 2:23:50
is that a case that there will be something that a primary care primary school can say and they can?
contact yourselves, and so would like to be involved, are you actively approaching primary schools and also the 10 secondary schools, other across all across West Yorkshire that you've been working, because it'd be interesting to know where where they are around the region, thank you.
so the promise go, we'll look into a private provider, but we have
Sonya Midgley, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:24:26
stipulated that we are looking for them to work with a range of schools from across the five districts and the secondary schools, I don't know the answer to that question in terms of whether locates hit back and certainly get that information to you.
thank you, Councillor Dyke.
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:24:44
thank you, I'm really interesting comments there in terms of the work
Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 2:24:51
with schools, not just wanted to pick up on a few points.
first one, you talked about what with secondary schools in terms of work in schools and CPD as well, for teachers, I wondered if you'd got any feedback that you could share with us about how that's been received, because we all know that the time in schools is really precious and particularly getting careers education prioritised can be really difficult, so I wondered if you had any tips that other schools could could learn from.
the second one was about the F V work you mentioned, the boot camp courses, which I have seen, and I do think they have been quite successful you could possibly.
expand on that if you can, but the feedback I've had is very positive.
all the
Key stage 5 kind of longer term courses so that school leavers can move into to look in at those kind of courses, part of the plan as well, and my third one was about primary schools, can't remember, I was going to say about primary schools,
hence I'll leave that and I think it was probably something to do with, was agreeing with your point that it is really important to try to start with primary schools and perhaps looking for a bit more detail, thank you.
thank you are really excellent questions in in terms of the CPD for teachers and we have commissioned a mid-point evaluation which is due
Sonya Midgley, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:26:24
this bump, so I haven't got any early findings from that yet, but I'm very happy to bring them back to this committee.
and agree that there will be a valuable lessons to learn the in terms of boot camps in key stage 5, that if the challenge, that is the conditionality of the funding that we received, so we have five different adult skills funding streams that are devolved to us and for school leavers. It's quite tricky to work out the eligibility for that. However, given the amount of youth unemployment that we're seeing across the across West Yorkshire, I think it's a really good point and certainly something we can work with our colleagues at J, perhaps at job centres of through youth hubs on
so I will definitely take that away.
reserves or anything else, I don't think there were no, I thought
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:27:17
you'd pose four questions, sorry my bad thing, so thank you so much for that and I hope colleagues round the table, sorry, Councillor Hoover, sorry so that's interesting stuff just.
Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 2:27:30
so 365 people trained here, and there was 267 think in October, so you, you've gone up about 100 100 jobs on the 100 there, the the pledges, I mean, that those are just companies, if you like, just registering the fact that they've
yeah, that's it yeah, I will do green jobs, and so what I'm interested in is 365, and it's like wow what what exactly is it that they that they come out of this with you know what it would other green jobs, one of the qualifications,
it is, it'd be really good to see him, because if the 365 people who can retrofit a house yeah, if it's, if it's, if because you know there are green jobs covers a multitude of things, doesn't it you know our Padres great you know but there's lots of different elements to it so just as is that detail that'd be really really interested in.
letter that your head year one and then will probably fall that one to
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:28:38
a close for your team are items, thank you a corresponding chart n.
Sonya Midgley, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:28:43
so, just to clarify, 365 are the number of jobs taken from the pledging companies, we have got some case studies that we're hoping to publish quite soon in terms of what the kind of jobs are, there are other ways where we're looking at a where jobs are created so for example, not included in that figure are some of the people that have progressed with skills boot camp and are now for example sustainability champion within their organisations.
certainly St John's.
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:29:14
yeah, that's the the name of the cot Osea, so they've taken on
Sonya Midgley, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:29:18
additional responsibilities or a new role within their organisation to help them.
become green or decarbonise
so the features on.
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:29:29
they have a number of pledges that we know are jobs at the moment.
soon.
Sonya Midgley, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:29:33
the thousand target.
Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 2:29:40
in terms of pledges, yes, in terms of the jobs, I couldn't confirm that.
like you all, keep the conversation going, but we are encouraged to
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:29:50
come forward to it, thank you so much, sunnier much appreciated for your report, I hope some of the colleagues around the room will take up the invitation to the launch event next week, sadly I can't go because of work commitments.

16 Mayor's Big Climate Chat Update

moving on, I believe this is yeah Rosie talking about the mayor's big climate chat.
similarly high and rising and reservoirs IWC, and the Combined
Rosie Hughes, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:30:19
Authority in the consultation team and said yeah, I'll just give you a quick update for the Mayor's big climate chat which launched on the 16th of October which seems ages ago now, but and we're still going on with that and we shall be launch. We've already launched the the survey, which is the main vehicle to get people's attitudes and perceptions across West Yorkshire, to see what people thinking about the climate emergency were keeping that open until about speaking of the pre-election period, so the 24th of March we've had over 1,000 responses so far, which is quite impressive. That's mainly through paid media advertising, and then because we're extending this until mid March are going to do more specific advertising
you might have seen it already on your link team, I don't know particularly MacDonald excellent, maybe I'll take talks as well, I'm gonna see, we can get to get in front of more people who haven't necessarily seen it seen it yet.
we are holding some community conversations about the climate, including businesses and the voluntary sector, and for more climate focus groups as well, and including with young people, and I know you mentioned that at the beginning from on the minutes from last time, so tomorrow actually we're going to meet up with about 10 young people.
as a sort of for on-time stay love your planet, kind of kind of aspect, well we're going to get some people who are members of the regional youth climate assembly, so young people who really know their stuff, they'll be coming along tomorrow talking with the Mayor and to think about different different solutions and that that we at the Combined Combined Authority can do.
and as we're doing that tomorrow, we're also going to launch the young people's version of the survey, so a bit shorter and a bit more bit will focus for young people and what they're learning in schools and what they want to learn about them in the future as well.
and that would be open for about two months to give.
to give teachers a bit of time to book into their computer rooms and did to to answer the questions and and we're working with these schools Partnership at the Combined Authority, I'm going to just send that out to different different avenues, including 182 secondary schools, to get the so they know they can fill that out, we're also attending the Leeds secondary eco school summit on the 25th of March.
I am going on there and and I think I think that's a bit of a bit of a brief overview there, thank you.
no, thank you, and that's a whistlestop tour, I think it was, I think,
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:33:00
it's really good and right that you engage young people with this, because as much as there are tuned to the climate conversation, they are not funds are filling in forms, so it's only right that you engage them with that really glad that you are speaking to the regional youth climate assembly, some really good people connected with Solomon used to be on our climate partnership, he's also really clued in with
Youth Councils and Youth parliaments across West Yorkshire and the wider region, so we really good to give them a nudge, as well as people on this panel, to amplify some of the work that you that you do in looking around the room to see Martin first thank you.
Martyn Broadest, Advisory Representative (West Yorks Housing Partnership) - 2:33:45
I mean start starting points, climate conversations of all kinds are great just in themselves because they raise awareness, enthusiam them and so on, so that's that's a positive thing.
but in relation to the investment that's being made by the Combined Authority in this and what we do with the results, the only line in the report that says is about what have we used, the information is to understand current issues regarding this topic and identify ways the city I can help in the future the feedback gathered will help to shape future policies and behaviour change campaigns so it will be invaluable.
it is all a bit vague and wishy-washy in terms of how we're going to use the get information gathered to actually direct and influence future strategy, so pointed question is what should we be, you know, setting out to use the the the data collected in a more positive way.
great stuff. You'll take comments, yeah lovely, thank you, then I
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:34:44
think that's a really good. That's a really good point actually to see
Rosie Hughes, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:34:48
where we can. We can use this positively and to use it going forward because we're going to have a lot of lot of people's influence, lot people's ideas and they'll be really good ideas so yeah, the idea as if, as you read out, is to inform a future behavioural change campaign. So where we think is where we can actually put the focus on, so we can. You've got got some funding behind this, but it won't stretch that fast, as that was a way. Where can we actually direct that? So that's gonna be through through all comes team and also them to inform the next iteration of the climate and environment plan as well to feed into that? But but I do see your point though, because you need it, won't that's that the air of tokenism deal when you speak to people and then and then that sort of abandoned bit so so yes, I do take your point. Thank you thus Graham, let's make sure we go re strengthened, I'm going to take questions from everyone who's got the
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:35:35
hand-up, you can ask them to be very concise and then, if you take or if you do the answers at the end of it, rather than come back to all of them, so I've got in order. Councillor Cooper get in
Ian and then Councillor Di,
I mean I type.
martin's point really, but.
Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 2:35:55
what is this for this is a really fundamental question, I think and how exactly is it can feed into things and it does look a lot like a public relations exercise, I'm afraid and and and is it promoting the issues or is it promoting the Mayor?
and the fact that it's running right up to the pre-election period, well I'll just leave that there, but I I'd I do worry about the value of this and thinking that it does look tokenistic.
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:36:28
Cllr Andrew Cooper (Kirklees Council) - 2:36:32
and and, if anything, young people they get the climate issue, but I think we generally need to be.
getting the message to all blokes, I think generally that's your job Councillor as an old bloke, I'm doing my best and let's try and keep
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:36:45
it keep everyone very concise now.
Gideon Richards (Private Sector Representative) - 2:36:53
I am I filled in your form earlier on, actually, I'm not sure if that's the second time I've done it, but it would be a question for it and what it did notice some on it very briefly is that if you are already doing stuff then actually filling in the form, just seems a bit this, then the question seems a bit difficult because where do you fit together? Maybe we can have a chat about that afterwards, the other one just very quickly. There are a number of climate commissioners around West Yorkshire
of our own is Kettley's climate commission and we do have a youth side to that and it would be good to to try and engage with you and get it out through those those routes as well think great on Cassidy.
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:37:41
yeah, thanks a, I do think meaningful engagement on this agenda is
David Owumi (Private Sector Representative) - 2:37:45
important at the minute, given you know, some of the debates that are
Ian Holmes, Advisory Representative (NHS West Yorkshire Integrated Care Board) - 2:37:47
going on around it and a degree of apathy amongst some communities, I would say I think it's helpful work to do. I think connecting it directly to the plan refreshes a thing that we need to get right as part of this week. From a health and care perspective, we'd be really interested in understanding the findings as well, so it can inform our future work to
it sounds like a good connection, the Lesley you.
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:38:09
yeah yeah, engaging with young people really important, as others have
Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 2:38:14
said, I am happy to look at ways that we can share that amongst networks, the existing leads in terms of young people's networks, but my question was, are there any incentives for young people to complete the survey and I thank you very good, very good.
hopefully, thanks y you've got about two or three minutes are trying
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:38:37
to summarise what actually had set it possible.
gosh thank you ever so much everybody, yes, well, I might be able to answer all your questions, but I've given them a scribbled down, I'll
Rosie Hughes, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:38:47
be watching this afternoon so I'll be able to get back to you and for sure and thank you for the offer to share and around as well as that's really helpful and so guess what of what I've taken from from yourself to see them make sure it's not a PR exercise and make sure it is valuable make sure he does inform the the climate of our climate and environment plan, health and social care being might find something more meaningful insights into there as well.
and yeah, what can we use wildflower bombs, I don't know, I can't think I'll have to have a word with my colleagues and see if you can think of something interesting to entice pupils in a nice way yeah,
suggested to us on the back of a sustainable postcard, but sorry,
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:39:30
thank you and hopefully keep that conversation going with people like Ian and one and a one, another folks outside of the meeting, but thank you so much will come in, I believe I'm doing some sessions for you next week, Councillor OK, thank you so much.

17 Mass Transit Sustainability Strategy

wow, thanking people, I think a special thanks goes to Stacey for
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:39:50
sitting through two and three-quarter hours worth before the mass transit sustainability strategy update, so double thanks and over to you, thank you, Chair, and so committee members will hopefully recall
Stacey White, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:40:02
my attendance at Committee in October last year and where I took the opportunity to introduce you to the mass-transit sustainability strategy and how it plans to develop the strategy in a collaborative way with key stakeholders. So at that committee I agreed to return and provide an update to committee members in terms of how the strategy is being developed for information and to also seek endorsement for that approach. So since October, the mass transit team, together with our
Stacey White, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:40:35
environmental partner, who have developed a series of priority outcomes through prioritisation workshops with key stakeholders, such as our district partner authorities and statutory environmental and health bodies, the outcomes align with a mass transit vision 20 Fatah across four pillars of sustainability, which include transport, social, economic and environmental, and these outcomes will be the focus of the public facing strategy, which we are developing as part of the public consultation activity that's currently planned for summer this year, so the proposed outcomes framework is appended in Appendix 1 for your consideration and I'll take the papers read due to the amount of time to maximise the number of questions, but I can take
so today we're seeking the Committee's endorsement of the final sustainability outcomes framework for mass transit and the priorities, together with the direction of travel for that public face in sustainability strategy, and we will share the strategy with committee members for information in advance of that public consultation exercise for endorsement.
via written representation due to likely timescales to to bring it back to committee, so that's it from me, thank you and happy to take any comments or questions
thank you so much for that and a really important we've got that read
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:41:58
across with what's happening in the transport rue, as we often ask for so good to see that thread working its way through Councillor Doherty, I'll be hand up, yes, I did I just wondered if you could explain in
Cllr Katie Dye (Leeds City Council) - 2:42:10
appendix 1 the ones that are highlighted in green as emerging highest priority themes.
what does that mean in in practice, Conroy what's the difference between the ones that highlighted and ones that are not?
so the the green highlight is just to highlight the ones that, from
Stacey White, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:42:29
the from the workshops, were what the stakeholders highlighted of the most important alcohol that they the outcome, so that's not to say that they're gonna be the ones that are prioritised above everything else it's just to highlight to two committee members that through all those workshops there were a definite preference for those outcomes that have been identified in green,
they want us neutral.
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:43:00
he also asked the question in section 3.1 you talk about a total
John Clark (Private Sector Representative) - 2:43:04
reduction of vehicle km needing to exceed 20% to make 2038.
you able to say what the baseline number is visa or what year, that's from.
I don't think I'm in a position to answer that today on Fox, but I'm happy to stay at that questionnaire and come back.
Stacey White, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:43:21
thanks.
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:43:30
thank you, anyone else, just just comments based on the green, actually that's.
what Councillor mentioned, we told you at the very beginning about the health benefits in the in in the Bradford area.
Jane Atkinson, Deputy Chair - 2:43:39
and and I'm surprised the green isn't highlighted, because this you know electric buses, mass transfer. It would be fundamental to helping achieve those lower levels. So it was just a comment really on an. Maybe a priority should should be held based on some of the outcomes we've already seen. Thank you, so I think last time I attended climate
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:44:04
committee, I tried to sell or make it apparent that the sustainability
Stacey White, Officer (West Yorkshire Combined Authority) - 2:44:08
of strategy are well sticks. That Accra cross cuts a number of pillars that it's not the resolution to 12 problems that we're trying to solve. Fill mass transit are our delivery of an integrated transport vision in a wider sense, so we are developing other documents or strategies, such as the DA strategy, for example, which will obviously prioritise DDA objectives. So on the point around health, we were undertaken. A health impact assessment, and clearly sustainability and the outcomes that were identified in this strategy are going to have an impact in terms of improved health outcomes. Together with you know, things such as we do reducing reliance on the private care and getting people into public transport and one in another mode of active travel as well. So
you know it, it's it's it's a nod towards what what we can achieve, but it's not going to solve all of the all of the problems until the sustainability strategy, we need to think about it in a wider holistic sense about what we're trying to achieve across the programme through the various work streams including III strategy for grandpa.
thanks for that.
I have not seen any other hands up from Ferguson which seems to be a
Scott Patient, Chair - 2:45:31
patient wants to carry on and at which appreciate your report, thank you okay, I think that certainly just looking towards the final vote, which is the date of the next reason and we currently have the in for Tuesday the 28th of May of this year so popular in your diaries, thank you all for bearing with me it's been a marathon not spring, you all get home safely so say continuing care.